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Old 04-26-2017, 2:43 PM
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I was just told that to pick up my handgun PPT I needed a CA approved lock. Asked about the safe waiver and they said it only applies to long guns. This is what I found on DOJ web site

Effective January 1, 2002, no firearm may be sold, transferred, or manufactured within California unless that firearm is accompanied by a DOJ-approved firearms safety device (California Penal Code section 23620, et seq).

The safety device requirement does not apply to the following:

Persons who can demonstrate the purchase of a DOJ-approved safety device in the 30 days prior to taking possession of the firearm by presenting the device to the firearms dealer and providing the firearms dealer with a receipt showing the purchase date and model name of the device.
The commerce of any firearm defined as an "antique firearm" pursuant to federal law.
The commerce of any firearm intended to be used by a salaried, full-time peace officer for law enforcement purposes.
Transfers of firearms to persons who demonstrate ownership of a qualifying gun safe. Ownership may be demonstrated by displaying to the firearms dealer: 1) A receipt indicating purchase of, or an affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury, stating that the purchaser owns a gun safe, and 2) An affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury, stating that the gun safe meets the standards set forth in DOJ regulations.

It states firearms are exempt if you sign the safe waiver. Hmmmm
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Old 04-26-2017, 3:03 PM
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I was just told that to pick up my handgun PPT I needed a CA approved lock. Asked about the safe waiver and they said it only applies to long guns. This is what I found on DOJ web site

Effective January 1, 2002, no firearm may be sold, transferred, or manufactured within California unless that firearm is accompanied by a DOJ-approved firearms safety device (California Penal Code section 23620, et seq).

The safety device requirement does not apply to the following:

Persons who can demonstrate the purchase of a DOJ-approved safety device in the 30 days prior to taking possession of the firearm by presenting the device to the firearms dealer and providing the firearms dealer with a receipt showing the purchase date and model name of the device.
The commerce of any firearm defined as an "antique firearm" pursuant to federal law.
The commerce of any firearm intended to be used by a salaried, full-time peace officer for law enforcement purposes.
Transfers of firearms to persons who demonstrate ownership of a qualifying gun safe. Ownership may be demonstrated by displaying to the firearms dealer: 1) A receipt indicating purchase of, or an affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury, stating that the purchaser owns a gun safe, and 2) An affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury, stating that the gun safe meets the standards set forth in DOJ regulations.

It states firearms are exempt if you sign the safe waiver. Hmmmm
they explained it wrong. the safe affidavit still satisfies CA lock law, but there is a federal handgun lock law as well that you have to deal with, and the safe affidavit doesn't satisfy federal law.


922(z) Secure Gun Storage or Safety Device.—
(1)In general.—
Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921(a)(34)) for that handgun.
(2)Exceptions.—Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
(A)
(i) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by, the United States, a department or agency of the United States, a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, of a handgun; or
(ii) the transfer to, or possession by, a law enforcement officer employed by an entity referred to in clause (i) of a handgun for law enforcement purposes (whether on or off duty); or
(B) the transfer to, or possession by, a rail police officer directly employed by or contracted by a rail carrier and certified or commissioned as a police officer under the laws of a State of a handgun for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
(C) the transfer to any person of a handgun listed as a curio or relic by the Secretary pursuant to section 921(a)(13); or
(D) the transfer to any person of a handgun for which a secure gun storage or safety device is temporarily unavailable for the reasons described in the exceptions stated in section 923(e), if the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer delivers to the transferee within 10 calendar days from the date of the delivery of the handgun to the transferee a secure gun storage or safety device for the handgun.
(3) Liability for use.—
(A)In general.—
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun, and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun, shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action.
(B)Prospective actions.—
A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.
(C)Defined term.—As used in this paragraph, the term “qualified civil liability action”—
(i) means a civil action brought by any person against a person described in subparagraph (A) for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of the handgun by a third party, if—
(I) the handgun was accessed by another person who did not have the permission or authorization of the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun to have access to it; and
(II) at the time access was gained by the person not so authorized, the handgun had been made inoperable by use of a secure gun storage or safety device; and
(ii) shall not include an action brought against the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun for negligent entrustment or negligence per se.
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Old 04-26-2017, 3:06 PM
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they explained it wrong. the safe affidavit still satisfies CA lock law, but there is a federal handgun lock law as well that you have to deal with, and the safe affidavit doesn't satisfy federal law.


922(z) Secure Gun Storage or Safety Device.—
(1)In general.—
Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921(a)(34)) for that handgun.
(2)Exceptions.—Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
(A)
(i) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by, the United States, a department or agency of the United States, a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, of a handgun; or
(ii) the transfer to, or possession by, a law enforcement officer employed by an entity referred to in clause (i) of a handgun for law enforcement purposes (whether on or off duty); or
(B) the transfer to, or possession by, a rail police officer directly employed by or contracted by a rail carrier and certified or commissioned as a police officer under the laws of a State of a handgun for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
(C) the transfer to any person of a handgun listed as a curio or relic by the Secretary pursuant to section 921(a)(13); or
(D) the transfer to any person of a handgun for which a secure gun storage or safety device is temporarily unavailable for the reasons described in the exceptions stated in section 923(e), if the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer delivers to the transferee within 10 calendar days from the date of the delivery of the handgun to the transferee a secure gun storage or safety device for the handgun.
(3) Liability for use.—
(A)In general.—
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun, and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun, shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action.
(B)Prospective actions.—
A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.
(C)Defined term.—As used in this paragraph, the term “qualified civil liability action”—
(i) means a civil action brought by any person against a person described in subparagraph (A) for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of the handgun by a third party, if—
(I) the handgun was accessed by another person who did not have the permission or authorization of the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun to have access to it; and
(II) at the time access was gained by the person not so authorized, the handgun had been made inoperable by use of a secure gun storage or safety device; and
(ii) shall not include an action brought against the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun for negligent entrustment or negligence per se.
After more research I just discovered that. Thanks. Guess I'm buying another lock to add to my collection.
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Old 04-27-2017, 8:34 PM
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I was just told that to pick up my handgun PPT I needed a CA approved lock. Asked about the safe waiver and they said it only applies to long guns. This is what I found on DOJ web site
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they explained it wrong. the safe affidavit still satisfies CA lock law, but there is a federal handgun lock law as well that you have to deal with, and the safe affidavit doesn't satisfy federal law.
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. "explaining it wrong" implies they are ignorant of the law. They are NOT ignorant, just greedy for a lousy $2 profit on their cheap chinese locks. They know EXACTLY what the State/Federal laws are. And have for over a year and a half. Been denying Ca citizens of their right of exemption. They wouldn't even allow me to file a Safe Affidavit.

Any, lock or container capable of disabling a pistol, secured by a key or combo, meets the Federal requirements of CSLA 2005. No 30 day receipt BS, No Cal DOJ approved lock BS.

ATF sent out a regulatory "white Letter" in 2006 which even softened the wording, from "Provide" to "Present". Doesn't even have to be used at time of transfer, but must be present. Also doesn't have to be provided by vendor at purchasers expense.

Original "provide" wording did not designate "who" must provide. Nor does the current "present" wording.

If you have a rusty old bicycle lock from the 1950s, and it will disable a pistol. It legally meets Federal CSLA requirements according to ATF. As long as it is present at time of transfer. If you have a lockable pistol case, or even a tool box. That also meets CSLA requirements.

Summary

Ca-DOJ, FSL requirements......Safe affidavit makes a person "EXEMPT" for ALL firearms transfers.

Fed. CSLA-2005.....Any lock or lockable container "present" satisfies all CSLA requirements for handguns.

If Ammo Bros tells you differently. They are lying to you just like they lied to me a year and a half ago. And every body they can lie to and pimp another chinese lock with their own name on the package is another $2 in their pocket.

I invite you to use the forum search function and enter my user name and search for "Ammo Bros". The truth is out there. But you will not find it at Ammo Bros.


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Ammo Bros, poor selection and arrogant employees.

I have a whole cabinet full of gun locks sealed in original package. I'll sell you one for a penny and give you a receipt.
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Old 05-12-2017, 7:48 AM
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Ammo Bros, poor selection and arrogant employees.

I have a whole cabinet full of gun locks sealed in original package. I'll sell you one for a penny and give you a receipt.
Where do you prefer to shop that has a better selection and wonderful employees?
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Old 05-12-2017, 7:52 AM
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Been to Cerritos several times, very nice people.
Overall best place for PPT that I have been to.

One time to Santa Ana was great too.
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