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Old 03-15-2017, 6:30 AM
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Thumbs up What it finally cost...Rem 700 in .223 (Up date, Trigger )

So last year when I was flush with cash I put together a Rem 700 in .223
Barrel..Lothar Walther..$488
Stock.. Mcmillen $896 3-5A adjustable
Scope..Nightforce $1,780 5 X 22 X 56
Bi-pod..$77
Extended Bolt knob..$31
sling swivels.. $28
Receiver.. $500
Sling.. $13
Bottom metal..$200
Magazine (2) $180
Trigger..$200
Scope base..$116
Scope rings..$252
Total.......$4,761
Now the rifle is scary accurate, and it's obvious that you get what you pay for. Just wanted to give everyone an idea about cost

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WOW that's a lot of money.. no pics to go with it?
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$180 for 2 mags?
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Wholly Crap !!!!
I though my RPR was expensive.
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5K scary accurate
just wonder how much more accurate it is from a stock rifle
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That is about what a custom rifle will cost, but add another, I would say $1-2K depending on the scope and action you get. The caliber doesn't actually matter with regards to the rifle, but does matter when it comes to ammunition costs.

In essence, as the OP mentioned, you get what you pay for. Expect to pay anywhere from $4,500 - $6,500 for most custom tactical, Benchrest or F-Class rifles.
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I will be truly impressed with some pic of the rifle and some groups at 800 yards
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I don't see a gunsmith fee in there.
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Now you have a $1500 Remington sans scope and mounts.
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1 X 8 I reload and shoot 77gr
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I don't see a gunsmith fee in there.
I think he charged me $100 to $150 to blue and install barrel. I did all the in-letting which took me forever.

On my next build ( and last one ) he will do the same plus the in-letting for barrel and lower metal. I have all the pieces, just need the barrel which I'm waiting to receive in 6.5 X 55

I'm not real good with the camera...I will have another old person come over who knows how to do it and take some pictures of my toys
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Actually I'm on my last build. Like I said just waiting on the new barrel from Lothar-Walther. I need to quit spending money like a drunken Sailor. I'm 69, single and on a fixed income. I thought about the 6.5 build 4 years ago and now it's almost reality.
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So last year when I was flush with cash I put together a Rem 700 in .223
Barrel..Lothar Walther..$488
Stock.. Mcmillen $896 3-5A adjustable
Scope..Nightforce $1,780 5 X 22 X 56
Bi-pod..$77
Extended Bolt knob..$31
sling swivels.. $28
Receiver.. $500
Sling.. $13
Bottom metal..$200
Magazine (2) $180
Trigger..$200
Scope base..$116
Scope rings..$252
Total.......$4,761
Now the rifle is scary accurate, and it's obvious that you get what you pay for. Just wanted to give everyone an idea about cost
I did the same and it is scary accurate as well (69grain/Varget and Lapua brass). Glad I'm not the only one.
Rem 700 SPS (sold stock and barrel)
Bartlein 1 in 8" 24" barrel
Manners T2 stock with mini chassis (dbm)
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Huber 2 stage trigger
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What are you saying Russ?? Why would I need Asbestos bags?? I'm a good guy with a few nice toys
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You went overkill on glass. Magnification of 22 for .223 range is beyond optimistic. To each it's own.
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I did the same and it is scary accurate as well (69grain/Varget and Lapua brass). Glad I'm not the only one.
Rem 700 SPS (sold stock and barrel)
Bartlein 1 in 8" 24" barrel
Manners T2 stock with mini chassis (dbm)
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Bedded TPS base and rings

Was close to $3000 not including optic
Some days I'm steady enough to put at least 4 shots in a nickle size spot at 200 yards. Love it knowing that the rifle shoots that well
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You went overkill on glass. Magnification of 22 for .223 range is beyond optimistic. To each it's own.
I have dope from 200 to 600 yards. Each time I moved the shot was deep into the X ring. I noted these scope adjustments and put them on the stock so there readily available
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I have zero's from 200 to 600 yards. Each time I moved the shot was deep into the X ring. I noted these scope adjustments and put them on the stock so there readily available
We call this DOPE. Data on Previous Engagements. Keep it with the rifle

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That scope is perfect for that build.
He can swap out the barrel and have a 6 Dasher or 243. Likewise he can put a 300 WSM barrel on it and shoot 1000 yard competition or put a 7 SAUM barrel on it and shoot steel out to a mile.
Once you have the right setup you can swap bolts and barrels to create many combinations.
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That's what AI mags cost.
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I have zero's from 200 to 600 yards. Each time I moved the shot was deep into the X ring. I noted these scope adjustments and put them on the stock so there readily available
This kind of magnification usually reserved for special purpose builds that take you to further effective distance than .223 can, and that's what I meant by overkill. I see why you like this scope but it's fullest potential is in the magnum rounds. Your money is still well spent here and it's time you show us some hi-res pictures made by your DSLR camera.
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If the barrel is long enough and he's shooting 77s or 80s, he can hit 900-1k reliably. Lots of people shooting 20+ magnification on the 1000 yard line the couple times I was there

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If the barrel is long enough and he's shooting 77s or 80s, he can hit 900-1k reliably. Lots of people shooting 20+ magnification on the 1000 yard line the couple times I was there

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Not that it can't be done, but I have other rifles that are quite capable of doing 1,000 yards easily and those are the ones I would use. Rem. 700 in .308 which is all tricked out, and M1A which is more like a white Feather. I also have 6.5 X 55 swede coming, and that will be my new long range rifle. You need to remember that I live in Florida now. Not much 1,000 yard shooting here.
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Not that it can't be done, but I have other rifles that are quite capable of doing 1,000 yards easily and those are the ones I would use. Rem. 700 in .308 which is all tricked out, and M1A which is more like a white Feather. I also have 6.5 X 55 swede coming, and that will be my new long range rifle. You need to remember that I live in Florida now. Not much 1,000 yard shooting here.
Then maybe you do have bit more magnification than you need. But better to have to much and not need it than the other way around

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I also recently built a semi-budget-conscious Remington 700 in 223.

Cost me about $2600 including optics and tools (I already had the torque wrench).

Rifle Barreled Action $870
$400 Receiver, Remington, Model 700 Short Action, 223 Bolt Face, Blued
$300 Barrel, Northland Shooters Supply, Remage, Criterion Stainless, 26", Varmint Contour, 223 Wylde Chamber, 1-8 Twist
$110 Trigger, Timney, 510, Standard Curved, RH Safety
$30 Recoil Lug, Northland Shooters Supply, Remage
$30 Barrel Nut, Northland Shooters Supply, Remage

Accessories $460
$280 Stock, Magpul, Hunter 700 SA, With AICS Magazine Well
$180 Magazines, Modular Driven Technologies, MDT 223, Polymer (5 Magazines)

Optics $1090
$900 Scope, Vortex, Viper PST, 4-16x50 FFP MRAD
$160 Scope Mount, American Defense Manufacturing, AD-RECON-SL
$30 Scope Rail, Weaver, 20MOA Picatinny Scope Base

Tools $215
$85 Action Wrench, Northland Shooters Supply, With Taper-Loc Recoil Lug Alignment System
$60 Headspace Gages, Forster, 223 Remington GO & NOGO
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The nice thing about this setup, is that the MDT 223 magazines allow a cartridge OAL of 2.550" so I can load the new Nosler RDF 70 grain bullets longer and still feed from the magazine. I tried some AR-15 magazine length loads with these bullets and they suck.

I want to try 80 grain HBPTs loads too, but not sure if the 1-8" twist is fast enough. The Berger twist rate calculator is telling me 1-7.75" is ideal.
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Now the rifle is scary accurate, and it's obvious that you get what you pay for. Just wanted to give everyone an idea about cost
I've seen high priced rifles shoot for ****. You should be thanking your smith that he did a great job on fitting that barrel to the receiver.
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5K scary accurate
just wonder how much more accurate it is from a stock rifle
It's never going to be more "accurate" or precise than the ammo and shooter make it.

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You went overkill on glass. Magnification of 22 for .223 range is beyond optimistic. To each it's own.
Huh? I've seen many competitive shooters with +20X optics on .22lrs which were intended to be (and are) shot offhand. There's nothing wrong with a little 22X optic on a .223 if it fits the intended use.
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The nice thing about this setup, is that the MDT 223 magazines allow a cartridge OAL of 2.550" so I can load the new Nosler RDF 70 grain bullets longer and still feed from the magazine. I tried some AR-15 magazine length loads with these bullets and they suck.

I want to try 80 grain HBPTs loads too, but not sure if the 1-8" twist is fast enough. The Berger twist rate calculator is telling me 1-7.75" is ideal.
I load my 80's to 2.435 OAL for my 1 X 8 twist. Works good. But lately I have been shooting 77gr Nosler Custom Comp. bullets
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The nice thing about this setup, is that the MDT 223 magazines allow a cartridge OAL of 2.550" so I can load the new Nosler RDF 70 grain bullets longer and still feed from the magazine. I tried some AR-15 magazine length loads with these bullets and they suck.
AI mags also allow 223 to be loaded out beyond 2.5" OAL.
I have a 6x223 that I built to shoot 95gr SMK's which have the same BC/velocity as a 175gr 30 caliber SMK does from a 308.
Identical exterior ballistics with less recoil/cost and longer barrel life due to using about half as much powder.
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I may not belong here. Maybe I do. But this is stupid sheeot and proof of how much money a "enthusiast" can burn f-ing up a great weapon. Ban me.
Right now there is no way I would spend $1000 for a rifle because less expensive ones are, as the Brits say, "fit for purpose" (hunting). But let's face it, we're guys (at least I think we're all guys) and we love our toys. Even if we can barely afford them sometimes. While testing some hand loads earlier this week, a former sniper tried to talk me into replacing the factory barrels in my .223 and .243. Not today, not next week and probably not next year either. They shoot one inch groups and that's good enough for me...for now, but the sniper fellow has different standards.
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I may not belong here. Maybe I do. But this is stupid sheeot and proof of how much money a "enthusiast" can burn f-ing up a great weapon. Ban me.
Why is there always a dude who has to come crap in a thread when someone spent time and money building something to their liking?

More importantly, why do those people feel that their opinion is important, or that anyone cares? Go start a separate thread called "why would anyone waste money modifying guns" and start your argument there
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I may not belong here. Maybe I do. But this is stupid sheeot and proof of how much money a "enthusiast" can burn f-ing up a great weapon. Ban me.
How is this messing up a great weapon? So, he takes a gun that in its factory form, shoots maybe 3/4" - 1 inch groups and now shoots small tiny groups. Sounds like a win to me. He had the money, he wanted a tighter shooting rifle and he got it.

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Right now there is no way I would spend $1000 for a rifle because less expensive ones are, as the Brits say, "fit for purpose" (hunting). But let's face it, we're guys (at least I think we're all guys) and we love our toys. Even if we can barely afford them sometimes. While testing some hand loads earlier this week, a former sniper tried to talk me into replacing the factory barrels in my .223 and .243. Not today, not next week and probably not next year either. They shoot one inch groups and that's good enough for me...for now, but the sniper fellow has different standards.
It is all in what purpose you are going to shoot the rifle. You said you are okay with 1 inch groups, then factory rifles is going to be good for you.

For some, the requirements or standards as you mentioned, are different. My standards would probably scare you. I replace barrels in my competition guns right around 1,000 rounds and a barrel will not see a regional, state or national match if it has more than 700 rounds.
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