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Old 03-12-2018, 7:43 PM
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Default Thoughts on hunting revolver as a bug out weapon?

I have a Ruger Super Redhawk 7.5" barreled 44 mag. I was thinking about getting it scoped and calling it my bug out weapon. In addition to that, I would have a compact sidearm, and likely have my wife pack a 10/22 takedown in a backpack and a Sig P238 (micro 1911).

Thoughts are with a family, I would try to keep as low profile as possible. I could use the 44 for protection and for big game, and the 10/22 for small game. I feel like that would cover all my bases.

Anyone else planning on grabbing a magnum for their primary if SHTF?
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Old 03-13-2018, 1:17 AM
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Heavy gun, limited ammo and capacity. Good luck with your choice.
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Old 03-13-2018, 4:58 AM
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I don't worry about SHTF, but since I got a .357 Magnum, this has been my go-to when checking noises, with a Cree T6 zoomable light, of course, and HD ammo (HPs).
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Sounds like a solid choice to me.
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Old 03-13-2018, 6:37 AM
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If it is all you have then sure.

CONS
It is heavy
Ammo will be uncommon in a SHTF situation
Ammo capacity is low
Not as accurate as a rifle of similar weight
Limited range as compared to a rifle of similar weight
Draw speed is slow as compared to a rifle of similar weight to a

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Something you are familiar with
Wont jam
Devastating round
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:12 AM
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I’d sooner take the 10/22.

Pros
Accurate
Lightweight
Ammo is lightweight
Ammo is easily sourced
Easily capable of taking small game and deer
Holds 10 rounds+

I couldn’t think of many worse options for a bug out gun than a scoped 7.5” 44 revolver.

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Old 03-13-2018, 11:34 AM
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Well.......With that gun, you only have to hit your target once. So make the 1st shot count!

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Old 03-13-2018, 12:59 PM
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I couldn’t think of many worse options for a bug out gun than a scoped 7.5” 44 revolver.

Can you elaborate?

Lighter than a rifle, more concealable than a rifle, can be effective out to 100 yards with a scope and practice, reliable, few parts and no systems to maintain.

I don't disagree that depending on the situation, there is better options. If I knew we were facing all out war, I would prefer my AR10, but I think in a disaster type of situation where using a weapon will be a far off scenario, that it is a fairly solid choice.
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I don't agree with your choice, but its your choice, so...
I'd see about laying in some 44 speacial HP and bird shot as well as some hard cast heavy stuff for those hard to penetrate barriers. Just in case you need to open a lock.

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deckhand has no imagination.
Muzzle loader would be worse.

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Not a good choice. Weights 3 pounds empty, 4 pounds with a scope, slow to fire, ammo is heavy, hard to aim without a solid rest and the recoil is terrible.

It would not even be on my list.

In a SHTF or anything like that everyone will have a gun, everyone. You will want the easiest to shoot and aim rifle that you want to carry that you have either stored enough ammo for or one that is real popular.

I want mine to be loudest most accurate and nastiest. I want peoples heads to hit the dirt when I have to use it. It can never fail to fire.

A Sig 556 with a folding stock is my first choice.
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If you want a handgun you can fight and hunt with, I'd lean towards a G20. I think I'd try to consolidate the handgun to one, and carry an M4/AR with a good sling. SHTF means to me you might have to fight a human, I want a long gun in that scenario every time.
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A Sig 556 with a folding stock is my first choice.
I have one of those too. Calified so it doesn't fold, of course. I haven't shot it much, but you're right, that is definitely a good choice. I definitely have all of the obvious choices for a SHTF gun, just thinking about other options for different scenarios.
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I have one of those too. Calified so it doesn't fold, of course. I haven't shot it much, but you're right, that is definitely a good choice. I definitely have all of the obvious choices for a SHTF gun, just thinking about other options for different scenarios.
Its not illegal to own a folding stock, just to install it on the gun.
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If you want a handgun you can fight and hunt with, I'd lean towards a G20. I think I'd try to consolidate the handgun to one, and carry an M4/AR with a good sling. SHTF means to me you might have to fight a human, I want a long gun in that scenario every time.
Yeah a Glock 20 is an excellent reccomendation for someone with his frame of mind. You can take down medium size game at close range and you can’t fight with it if need be. Of course a rifle is always better though.
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Scoped 44 magnum and low profile. Makes about as much sense as common sense gun laws

Seriously though, SHTF scenarios and EOTWAWKI are different. SHTF like natural disasters and the like isn’t the end of society, just temporary chaos and uncertainty. Last thing I’d want is a hand cannon. I’d want pure self defense which means highest cap 9 I own. Or my 1911. Or maybe I’d go a 4” 357. Some thing I could carry easily, have some back up ammo, get to and from wherever I needed, get to home, etc. there I’d have heavier firepower to defend the castle.

In the event of societal breakdown and longer term “you’re on your own” then maybe it’d be a decent choice. Preferably I’d take a 44 carbine and a 9mm on the hip. Or maybe a 18” bolt 308 scout type rifle and 9mm on the hip. But in that case, if you live in a populated area, there ain’t gonna be much to hunt.
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I think we need to be realistic about "Bugging Out". How much weight are you going to be carrying? Adding a 44 mag for self defense and big game is likely not the best option, although Elmer Keith would likely disagree.

I would set up 2 9mm Glock pistols will use the same magazines and a kel tec su16ca. The likelihood of you needing to shoot big game is microscopic compared to defending your loved ones from 2 legged predators.
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Look around and ask yourself what you intend to hunt. During the Great Depression hunters made game very scarce quickly. We have much larger population and less wilderness & game today. The rabbits, deer, etc that survived would have learned to run away quickly.
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Look around and ask yourself what you intend to hunt. During the Great Depression hunters made game very scarce quickly. We have much larger population and less wilderness & game today. The rabbits, deer, etc that survived would have learned to run away quickly.
Depression era people were more involved with hunting/farming/living in rual areas and actually knew how to kill/dress game.
Todays urbanites (in general) would be clueless.
The dog, cat, rat population in cities might be reduced tho.

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.44 just seems too big imho.

I'm running a CZ75BD and SU16-CA for whatever happens whenever it happens. Yes I have shotguns and a .22 but if I need to get stuff done those 2 are going to be my go to. Kel-Tec uses any and all mags I could find laying around from LEO , Military and homeowners and the CZ will have a magazine issue I know but I just hate Glocks so I have a few extra mags lmao. There will also be plenty of 9mm for awhile at first too.
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The dog, cat, rat population in cities might be reduced tho.

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My .44 redhawk is a sporting alternative to my deer rifle.

In any situation I'm thinking about a firearm for protection or survival I don't want there to be anything sporting about it. Its my favorite revolver but not for this situation...
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Anyone else planning on grabbing a magnum for their primary if SHTF?
No, it seems like a poor choice. But if it's all you have, or all you are comfortable with, you roll with it and do the best you can. It's sure as heck better than nothing.

As mentioned above, it's very heavy for a pistol (heck, for one more pound you can have an SU-16CA), bulky for a pistol, slow on follow-up shots, poorly concealable and lacks in capacity and ammo availability compared to a plethora of (imo) far better handgun options.

And compared to rifles, well, it doesn't really compare at all.

And the reasons laid out in the posts above make it all clear. If it's SHTF as specified in the OP, you aren't thinking about hunting grizzly, you're thinking about protecting your family, in which case range, speed on target, follow-up shots, capacity, ammo availability, reload speed, etc....all areas where some hand cannon absolutely sucks. Pretty simple stuff, really.
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.44 just seems too big imho.

I'm running a CZ75BD and SU16-CA for whatever happens whenever it happens. Yes I have shotguns and a .22 but if I need to get stuff done those 2 are going to be my go to. Kel-Tec uses any and all mags I could find laying around from LEO , Military and homeowners and the CZ will have a magazine issue I know but I just hate Glocks so I have a few extra mags lmao. There will also be plenty of 9mm for awhile at first too.
I actually really like my SU16-CA. It is remarkably accurate, reliable, and light weight. Would I want to take it to war? Nope, but bugging out is not going to war in spite of peoples fantasies.

As for the CZ75 it's a great pistol, just heavy!
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It's heavy, awkward to carry, low round capacity, limited availability of ammo means you's have to carry all the ammo you would ever have and that would be heavy. It's also loud as ****.

My thought would be a small backup gun (like a derringer or a mini-revolver), a defensive side arm, and a rifle (one that could be broken down and hidden in a backpack would be preferred). You'd also want to carry plenty of ammo for each, common calibers a definate plus. A large caliber heavy scoped handgun meets none of those needs.

You'd be better off with a quality compound bow and a quiver full of arrows, at least you'd be able to gather ammo on the move and it's quiet.
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I actually really like my SU16-CA. It is remarkably accurate, reliable, and light weight. Would I want to take it to war? Nope, but bugging out is not going to war in spite of peoples fantasies.

As for the CZ75 it's a great pistol, just heavy!
Yeah we all like TO THINK it will be war and even if it is you'll have time to get something better if you know what you're doing. So in my mind just having something you know you're good with , can get you something better if that makes sense ?
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Yeah we all like TO THINK it will be war and even if it is you'll have time to get something better if you know what you're doing. So in my mind just having something you know you're good with , can get you something better if that makes sense ?
I for one hope it is not apocalyptic/doomsday/book of Eli/The Road, etc.etc. event. Short lived civil calamity will be bad enough, especially for those of you living in SoCal.

I agree with you and in some respects would rather have a Ruger MkIII and a brick of CCI minimags rather than carrying around 20lbs of guns and ammo. I don't know of anyone who has taken a solid hit (or 2 ) from a .22 that wanted to do anything except make the bleeding stop. All that said I would still be packing my G-19 and 4 extra mags which is a basic loadout for me.

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JMHO but unless you live in some of the more remote areas of CA, do you actually think there will be any "game" to hunt in a scenario where no food is available. I am sure the millions of other folks that are in need of food will sit back and leave the adjacent hills alone while a few folks hunt for their families. CA is populated by roughly 230 people per square mile. Anyone that can move will be looking for food. Everyone always has this vision of hunting in the hills and feeding their family in a total SHTF scenario but they never envision the other 20 families in the same area fighting for the same food source.
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There will be plenty of game. It will be two legged.
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JMHO but unless you live in some of the more remote areas of CA, do you actually think there will be any "game" to hunt in a scenario where no food is available. I am sure the millions of other folks that are in need of food will sit back and leave the adjacent hills alone while a few folks hunt for their families. CA is populated by roughly 230 people per square mile. Anyone that can move will be looking for food. Everyone always has this vision of hunting in the hills and feeding their family in a total SHTF scenario but they never envision the other 20 families in the same area fighting for the same food source.
Hahahaha I laugh at those people when they talk nonsense like that too. Being in Vietnam for charity work and vacation I know poor (not even desperate) people will eat every animal around them endangered or not. To think because you saw some deer in a hill by your house and expect only you will be hunting them is hilarious. People without guns will be chasing them with cleavers before you even get a shot on one when desperate enough.
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JMHO but unless you live in some of the more remote areas of CA, do you actually think there will be any "game" to hunt in a scenario where no food is available. I am sure the millions of other folks that are in need of food will sit back and leave the adjacent hills alone while a few folks hunt for their families. CA is populated by roughly 230 people per square mile. Anyone that can move will be looking for food. Everyone always has this vision of hunting in the hills and feeding their family in a total SHTF scenario but they never envision the other 20 families in the same area fighting for the same food source.
I wish more people had the realistic outlook you have shown here. I got out of California about 10 years ago and have a lot of land with plenty of deer. It is not uncommon to see 10 coming down my driveway. I do not even consider them when thinking about long term food however. It will be a nice treat when we take one, but it is not a realistic long term survival strategy to think you can survive on what the woods will offer, especially in the arid southern California foothills.

Most people will be far better off to try to bug in and establish long term supplies. I read about people thinking they will be carrying off 50lb packs and taking kids, etc.
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Any gun will do in a bug-out, but the more concealable the better.
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Wouldn't want a scope on it, but it and a 44mag lever gun would be good.
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I wouldn't be bugging out so much as getting home to bug in since there are more available resources closer to home. The choice of one firearm would become an exercise in compromise and trade-off. I guess it boils down to a light, semi-auto or lever rifle.
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I have a Ruger Super Redhawk 7.5" barreled 44 mag. I was thinking about getting it scoped and calling it my bug out weapon. In addition to that, I would have a compact sidearm, and likely have my wife pack a 10/22 takedown in a backpack and a Sig P238 (micro 1911).

Thoughts are with a family, I would try to keep as low profile as possible. I could use the 44 for protection and for big game, and the 10/22 for small game. I feel like that would cover all my bases.

Anyone else planning on grabbing a magnum for their primary if SHTF?
Bug out to where?
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Since we cannot predicted the possible events, having a variety of options seems prudent. Many listed above seem like good options.
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Stand and fight. I keep as many common calibers as i can because i never know when I will find available ammo when foraging. A gun is only as accurate and as deadly as the man or woman behind it and that is what our legislators refuse to admit when they claim guns not people kill. Unless an attacker is 100% armor plated a well placed 22 round can kill as easily as 44 mag. Adapt and use what is available to your best advantage and you will survive better in an area you know than bugging out to someplace where you have no idea what is going on.
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