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Old 07-13-2010, 11:09 PM
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Well maybe the MODS should come down on those members, (senior, vet, etc.) with some punishments when they see that they are violating the shilling rule. I have mixed feeliings about this rule, but as I am a guest on this forum I will abide by them. If you go into the WTS forum you see multiple violations by members, not just noobs. Consistency is the key to any form of training.
and if you see a violation, report it. the mods have said that they don't always see every post, so if they don't see it, they can't fix it.
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Well maybe the MODS should come down on those members, (senior, vet, etc.) with some punishments when they see that they are violating the shilling rule. I have mixed feeliings about this rule, but as I am a guest on this forum I will abide by them. If you go into the WTS forum you see multiple violations by members, not just noobs. Consistency is the key to any form of training.
Do you ever go back to see if it's been corrected? Do you report it? It's only been 5 days. I kinda expected this since the forum is so populated and so popular. Eventually the message will be received.
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This isn't amazon.com where you can put things on your wish list in case you want to buy it. Be decisive buy or dont buy
Not always practical, particularly on a website that has a mobile site option. You can't see the picture, you think you might want the item so you tag it until you can get to a real computer where it's practical to ask your question or view photos.
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I certainly have no problem with the rules, though for simplicity, it seems like adopting basic rules similar to M4C.net would be great. Only the OP is permitted to bump and only after 48 hours. Nobody else may post in the thread, thus eliminating the need for rules 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Is it just me or doesn't that seem more uniform and user friendly?
I was thinking the exact same thing, with some minor mods -

1) Thread is locked except for the OP. NO ONE posts in a sale thread except the OP.

Eliminates confusion about what you can/can't post, shilling, etc. All negotiations, questions, etc. go through PM. Will also eliminate bent feelings about who was first, I posted but didn't get it, etc. The OP should be fair and honest, but you can't regulate character. That's what the iTrader ratings are for. I see lots of complaints, but rarely a negative posting when someone certainly deserves it.

2) One OP bump every 12 hours.

After the 12 hours, the OP can post answers to questions. The only exception would be if it's sold and SPF or SOLD is posted. Violate and your thread gets deleted. Period. This can be adjusted, but 12 seems about right since no one else will be posting.

3) If no bump from OP after 24 (36? 48?) hours, post gets deleted. Period.

Keeps the threads clean which seems to be the goal. If the OP doesn't care or pay attention to his sale, why should we? Maybe the old threads can be placed in the archive (see below).

4) If OP violates a posting rule (no price, no location, etc), thread gets deleted. Period.

No warnings, admonishments, etc. Just delete the thread. The mod can PM the OP with the reason. Then they can resubmit with corrections and learn a lesson at the same time.

5) No posting in the sale threads until you have 30 days at CG.

This problem could probably be avoided if rules 2-4 above were enforced. Eliminates the one-day, hit-and-run sellers that could care less about rules or our community. Also eliminates the bogus posts to get to a minimum post count. If you are still around after 30 days, welcome! So you miss a couple of good deals from noobs. What you don't know, you won't miss.

Maybe there can be an archive area where expired posts are stored. These posts can be completely locked, but you could still search them for reference data and PM the OP if you had a question. That eliminates the 2-year-old dead-thread resurrection from (mostly) noobs - "Hey, is this still for sale?" and it keeps the active threads clean.

6) I want everything I post to sell in ONE HOUR or less for twice what I asked for. And a yacht. And kids that don't give me grief. And more hair. And $5 bulk pack .22's. And...

Ok, I'm done...
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Do you ever go back to see if it's been corrected? Do you report it? It's only been 5 days. I kinda expected this since the forum is so populated and so popular. Eventually the message will be received.
Have done will continue to do.

Dont get me wrong I'm not complaining about haveing to adjust and follow the new rules. It's just that members who have been here for a while should know better, and should be subject to swifter and harder punishment for not helping the situation.

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PITA....I'll probably pass on selling stuff here, CL is much easier.
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...I'll probably pass on selling stuff here, CL is much easier.
Selling guns on Craigslist is easier?? I'm going back to bed. I woke up in the wrong universe.
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Selling guns on Craigslist is easier?? I'm going back to bed. I woke up in the wrong universe.
Haha, it should be noted that I NEVER sell any of my guns, so that though never crossed my mind.

For the small stuff I might sell, CL is perfect.I'll just end up frustrated when my post gets deleted here because I forgot that I cannot comment on a sale thread, unless it's after midnight on the full moon and the stars align with Jupiter. Even then I can only type with my left hand, and I have to say "mother may I" before I hit post.
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Old 07-14-2010, 7:42 AM
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Can anyone say over regulation? No offense guys but coming from a group that mostly beleaves in small government and personnal responsability, WHy are we regulating things so much? I just got erased for putting a pm sent on a for sale thread with what I was interested in buying. What was the harm? Really! I think the new rules are getting a little over regulatory. I can understand having rules and that is not what I'm basing my diagreement on.

Why Pm sents are helpfull. You know that the person posting is trying to contact the seller. Also if it has pm sent with what item they are interested in is even better. Three if seller cannot put pm's answered how do you know he is being responsable with his add/post? I read many threads where there are pms and then the seller puts pms replied still for sale. That is great than you know there is no deal pending in the back ground. Or a discussion of item.

The Schilling effect. I can see the same people who constantly bump certain sellers adds. I myself have bumped adds with a nice comment. Reason is I felt the seller had a great post and wanted to show an appreciated response to putting up a fine weapon for sale. You have to admit we get alot of stuff that you just dont see everyday on here.

As for the shameless schilling of adds, Make it to where a member can only bump two sales adds a week. Stops that problem. With limitation I dont think they will be so willing to waste them.

Next is relax this is suppose to be a fun place! Not an internet colony of regulations and if you dont or else's.

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unfortunately, it has become very popular to sell here. that's just because we are the most popular gun site in CA, other than GB. i remember when we lost the market place forums a few years ago. i'm thankful we got it back. if you don't sign on for 24 hours, and come back, you will see 15-20 "new posts" threads. tally up how many of those are sales and off topic threads.
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Bump.ttt,tag,pm sent,great seller deal with confidence,glws. Gee now I feel better! I rarely post anymore but let it be known I fully like and support the new rules. The shilling was rediculous and getting out of control.

To be honest does anyone know other gun related sales forums where the rampant shilling is allowed? It could be worse people.

Gunboards only allows the op to bump their sale post after one week!

As mentioned a few bad apples can ruin something for everyone. Genuine feelings of goodwill towards a interesting sale post or a gtood deal are rare.

We all know it's usually someones friends bumping their stuff whether a good price a a total ripoff.

This got very annoying during the ammo craze/gouge/panic. The same 3-4 people kept bumping their friends posts of Walmart ammo being sold for close to 100% more.

It seems that shilling really defines the lives of a few members here. As a mod mentioned I know there was a few members that just logged in every day just to make 20 or so shills. Why?

Bet if classifieds posts didn't add to post count a lot of that would have ended even w/o the new rules.

Whats with the obsession with post count anyways? On every forum theres always a few people that seem to make making needless posts their lifes work.

Generally boils down to this anyways, you don't like, theres many other forums to visit and to sell and buy on. When I find the rules too onerous on a forum I just deal with it or move on.
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Generally boils down to this anyways, you don't like, theres many other forums to visit and to sell and buy on. When I find the rules too onerous on a forum I just deal with it or move on.
See thats the problem, If you dont like it you just move on or keep silent. WHY? Is that not whats wrong with today? To many keep silent letting the same thing happen over and over. Why is saying something in objection so terrible. I am not advocating bashing a site by any means but to not give insight as a member to your likes and dislikes is shear madness. How else are the developers and mods to improve our site if we dont voice our opinions as members.
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See thats the problem, If you dont like it you just move on or keep silent. WHY? Is that not whats wrong with today? To many keep silent letting the same thing happen over and over. Why is saying something in objection so terrible. I am not advocating bashing a site by any means but to not give insight as a member to your likes and dislikes is shear madness. How else are the developers and mods to improve our site if we dont voice our opinions as members.
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We don't always read and review every post in the Marketplace, no less try to match up the user-names of everyone who's created a thread that's been active in the last 24 hrs. When you see this type of activity, just click on the icon at the top right of the post to report it to the moderators. As a team, we're usually right on top of these alerts.

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"Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts."

Nothing about reporting rules violations. So, it's ok then?
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anti's love you for this one...

I had held hopes that this section which asks for comments and suggestions would actually accept them. That is not happening.

It is true as I posted earlier (#77) that this is privately owned and that the owner had full controll over what he allows and expects of his moderators.

It seems very clear what is being said. Post your suggestions. Make your comments. But if you don't like what we are going to do regardless of anything you say, leave.

Now can Calgun's really afford that?

Was the membership push so great the last few months that we can now strong arm members and push rules on top of rules even if most voice opposition to them and say back to them (the front line workers here), TS, leave if you don't like it?

Is that where we are now?

We should be working together and banding together against our real enemies. They certainly put aside any mixed feelings on other issues to ban together against our 2nd Amendment Rights. Running off good loyal members or deleting their posts, is only adding stress here. When this isn't fun and informative anymore, many will leave. I don't see that should even be considered an option CG should engage in even if it means our excited moderators need to cool their jets a bit.

But you will do what you will. I know that. The owner is not likely to cut the legs out from under those he just empowered to "solve all the problems" (perhaps I should say percieved problems as it seem to be working pretty well actually). The real issues the mods should be directed to work on are not even addressed in any of these new "rules". Enjoy your powers guys.

Funny how some newer members (usually the guilty ones of most of the new rules that sort of make sense) and folks who have little or NO itrader feedback sure have much to say about how the FS forums should be ran. LMAO! - not really.

I am very sorry to see my favorite site take this stance.

I thought I was was one of you. That you were the same as me. THat is why I was so passionate about motivating others to visit. Why I posted Calgun Cards at every range and gun store in so-cal that I visited. I cannot say, speaking just for myself, that I am as encouraged today as I read this thread.

I will play along with one question to one of the mods (whom I had never had any issues with at all in the past, in fact I like him)... Mach1, tell me this... why is "so-Cal" in the location listed in a members address "unacceptable" in your mind? Why do you feel so strongly about this that you would delete a well recognized member in good standing posts or threads? Why would you or any mod send a pm to that member that was anything less than cordial or at least not rude? What power would run to someones head that would think acting like a SOB just because you can should be the first card played towards that member who didn't even see this coming? Why risk turning a good member and a strong proponate of the big picture of what is trying to be done here just a moderator could send a nastygram in erasing his posts....? Is there that many expendable members here that this is how it is going to be?

I just would like clarification. Anyone without constructive comments and "in-the-know to these questions, kindly step aside or send me your SA remarks via pm. All others, feel free to add your concerns. I have an investment in CG of a personal nature and before I committ further I would like to know how this is going to play out. Is this what we can expect in other forums next?
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The county-specific location requirement for the FS forums has been a requirement for a LONG time. Forget the moderators, go straight to the boss:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...43&postcount=3

But seriously, this is not the great Calguns schism of 2010. This isn't the death of the 2A movement in CA. Yes, Calguns can afford to change the rules. Judging from the amount of posts since the 9th, nothing's been hurt except feelings. Then again, my post count, join date, and itrader feeback mean nothing. I don't have a personal interest in the forum. I don't moderate, I don't own it, I haven't yet contributed to the forum itself. I just enjoy firearms and browsing the marketplace for things of interest. Most items don't garner two seconds of review. However, you never know when a Ruger may unexpectedly present itself.

Some of the behaviors allowed by the rules were quite annoying, however I overcame that by using the "thread start time" display feature at the bottom of the forum. As for what the owner/moderators decide to do, I'll put on my flame suit and take it like a man. I think I'm old enough to know that I'm not in charge, no matter my membership status.
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The county-specific location requirement for the FS forums has been a requirement for a LONG time. Forget the moderators, go straight to the boss:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...43&postcount=3
But until now, no members were getting their threads/posts deleted nor were they getting nastygrams in their pm box.

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But seriously, this is not the great Calguns schism of 2010. This isn't the death of the 2A movement in CA.
And NO ONE said otherwise. However, the anti's certainly don't bash each other (pm's or otherwise), or have need to recruit more and more members just to fend off the opposition. We, especially in California do not have that luxury. We should be doing everything possible to seem friendly and open and encouraging new and loyal members alike that this is a great place to share friendship and throw support to. We need sites like this one that are fun, friendly and informative. Not one out of the three. Many real men who have grown old enough, just won't stand by to be pushed just because someone got "moderator" under his name and invented a bunch of rules and enforcement tatics as if the membership are now cattle to be moved in a different direction.


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Yes, Calguns can afford to change the rules.
Again, that is not what I said. And just to clarify, the day we cannot speak out, especially when it was asked for, then the site is really already worthless.

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But until now, no members were getting their threads/posts deleted nor were they getting nastygrams in their pm box.

The question stands.

Yes, countless threads have been locked/deleted by moderators in the past. I'm not privy to PM nastygrams. I know of the former from countless wasted hours observing the FS forums.



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And NO ONE said otherwise. However, the anti's certainly don't bash each other (pm's or otherwise), or have need to recruit more and more members just to fend off the opposition. We, especially in California do not have that luxury. We should be doing everything possible to seem friendly and open and encouraging new and loyal members alike that this is a great place to share friendship and throw support to. We need sites like this one that are fun, friendly and informative. Not one out of the three. Many real men who have grown old enough, just won't stand by to be pushed just because someone got "moderator" under his name and invented a bunch of rules and enforcement tatics as if the membership are now cattle to be moved in a different direction.
I have no idea what the antis do or don't do. I'm not privy to their online forums and their FS sections. But like everything human, I would be remiss in thinking they too don't have their own petty internal divisions. Seriously, it's just the rules in the FS forums. I understand its implications to you as you have over 600 posts in the marketplace and it represents a new way of doing business. This site still has a vast wealth of knowledge, a ridiculous (IMO) OT section for fun, and still friendly <------ apparently that's a matter of interpretation. My skin is pretty thick. I wouldn't get all butthurt over a nastygram and thread/post deletion. I would've left long ago had that been the case. I also put very little faith in "membership" numbers of an internet forum.


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Again, that is not what I said. And just to clarify, the day we cannot speak out, especially when it was asked for, then the site is really already worthless.

Question still stands.
I understand you didn't say that. Forgive me for misunderstanding. This thread is for doing exactly that, voicing your opinion, speaking out, and you have done as much. Nobody in this thread has come in and shut you down, unless I missed some posts being deleted. As far as what's going on behind the scenes with you and certain moderators, I have no idea. When it gets down to it, I think you have a long-winded way of saying you don't like being treated the way you feel you've been treated... is this correct?


But seriously, are the new rules that onerous? Is there really a need to provide affirmation to a seller's post? No. Do people need to know he is a good guy? No. Do we need to know it's a great gun at a great price? No. Do we need to know that a PM was sent/received/responded? No. Is it hard to list a county as a location? No. Is it hard to include a price? No. Is it hard to read a date stamp of a previous post and count 24 hours? No. Is it that hard to list multiple items in one thread? No. I think a team of monkeys could figure it out. But again, this is all my opinion.

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Hey, no worries scootergmc... we are just putting our positions out there. Nothing personal at all.

I got a flood of emails, pm's and calls about the new rules. There are many out there who choose not to step forward for different reasons. That is ok.

It is now well known to the staff here and they will do something about it or not. Simple really. I did my part in saying what I thought and why. That is what this particular part of the forum is for or so it says.

As far as the location "so cal". I see the location being used to help the seller and buyer correctly decide if they are close enough to get together on a deal.

I have a disclaimer in EVERY sales thread I have made here saying the I will travel to the seller's or buyers FFL of choice (I do offer my favorites around so-cal as first selections). If I am willing to drive anywhere in so-cal to make a deal then why would I want to restrict my sale/trade to north San Diego County where I live? Because it is a stupid rule that I have to? Yeah, that would be the only reason! Why does a Calgun Mod care or have the right to kill my thread if I will travel anywhere in so-cal for the right deal? Heck, I would travel most anywhere in Nor Cal for the right deal. Others do this to. I have had many deals with Nor Cals that we made it work even if one of us had to fly or drive to the other.

Ok, enough. I said what I thought. I backed my postion.

My mind is clear. I am not mad. Blood pressure under control.

I have not one more word on the matter.

Good luck with the sales to you all,

BTT once more....


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Really? A members input doesnt count? Than neither do your snide comments so keep them to yourself! I guess you cant read. It says thread was started for Suggestions news and updates. In that order. Where in your comment is any of the three criteria? So your post should be erased!
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Oh really i am an Anti? wow is all that you can come up with? I am a gun loving American just like everyone on CGN

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I had held hopes that this section which asks for comments and suggestions would actually accept them. That is not happening.

It is true as I posted earlier (#77) that this is privately owned and that the owner had full controll over what he allows and expects of his moderators.

It seems very clear what is being said. Post your suggestions. Make your comments. But if you don't like what we are going to do regardless of anything you say, leave.

Now can Calgun's really afford that?
I didn't know all your post and sales accounted for the profitability of this site. People will be here regardless if you here or not. You aren't special and neither am I.

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Was the membership push so great the last few months that we can now strong arm members and push rules on top of rules even if most voice opposition to them and say back to them (the front line workers here), TS, leave if you don't like it?

Is that where we are now?
Most of the people aren't saying anything. Its you and others like you who cannot stand the fact they cant shill. Is it really that important to you?

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We should be working together and banding together against our real enemies. They certainly put aside any mixed feelings on other issues to ban together against our 2nd Amendment Rights. Running off good loyal members or deleting their posts, is only adding stress here. When this isn't fun and informative anymore, many will leave. I don't see that should even be considered an option CG should engage in even if it means our excited moderators need to cool their jets a bit.
No one will leave and neither will you. I would have some respect for you if you kept to your word and left. A real man would.

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But you will do what you will. I know that. The owner is not likely to cut the legs out from under those he just empowered to "solve all the problems" (perhaps I should say percieved problems as it seem to be working pretty well actually). The real issues the mods should be directed to work on are not even addressed in any of these new "rules". Enjoy your powers guys.

Funny how some newer members (usually the guilty ones of most of the new rules that sort of make sense) and folks who have little or NO itrader feedback sure have much to say about how the FS forums should be ran. LMAO! - not really.
You only wish you were a mod so that you to could enjoy that power. As far as new members it doesn't really matter because we all at one time were new. How about some of that " working together and banding together against our real enemies" you speak so highly of.

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I thought I was was one of you. That you were the same as me. THat is why I was so passionate about motivating others to visit. Why I posted Calgun Cards at every range and gun store in so-cal that I visited. I cannot say, speaking just for myself, that I am as encouraged today as I read this thread.
You are a Lifetime member i think that makes you part of CGN. Just learn to abide by the new rules.

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Other forums rules are much more strict than here on CGN. If anything CGN is creating similar rules as other forums not the other way around.
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Guys,

We are certainly keeping an eye on the suggestions/comments about the new rules, just because we aren't immediately making a change based on the feedback does not mean we have discarded or ignored that feedback. Right now we're still seeing that a LOT of our members in the Marketplace have not read the new rules. As things are settling down a bit we'll look at how it's going and then we can consider what further adjustments should be made. That's when all this feedback becomes most valuable. Making changes frequently to the rules is impractical because it's challenging enough getting people to read them the first time.

About the "Location issue". This has been a big deal in the Marketplace for years. There are a lot of members who will travel great distances for the right firearm, I'm aware of several times when guys flew to the other end of the state just to make a purchase. This is partly why I'm not a fan of splitting the Marketplace up based on regions. Yet somebody from El Centro going to Lancaster for an RIA1911 is pretty unlikely. We've had the county-specific rule in place for probably 4 or 5 years now and it's worked well for us, and yes it has been regularly enforced.



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Not always practical, particularly on a website that has a mobile site option. You can't see the picture, you think you might want the item so you tag it until you can get to a real computer where it's practical to ask your question or view photos.
Subscribe to the thread then, or bookmark it, or even email a link to it, but there's no reason to bump the thread.
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Just like above posted....Most other sites have MUCH more strict rules.
I really hate this argument, it's the same one the antis use to trample our rights. "country X banned guns, we should be like them."
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These are my views, I’m not Kestryll, and I don’t make the rules myself, I don’t agree with all the rules myself, I participate in the process the same as everyone else.

Change can be painful, today is not the same as yesterday.

Everyone has their own preference for how things should be, the rules aren't an ideal, but a balancing of competing interests.

I think some of this angst is over the labeling of “shilling”. We had lots of friendly community bumps that weren’t malicious shilling, but ultimately still had the same effect. This is more like “cutting down on extraneous traffic.”

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Can anyone say over regulation? No offense guys but coming from a group that mostly beleaves in small government and personnal responsability, Why are we regulating things so much?
Why? Because the for sale forum needs LOADS of moderator attention otherwise it rapidly devolves into an unworkable mess. In order to continue to offer a great free service to the CA gun community we need to make it work without TONS of volunteer man hours.

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I just got erased for putting a pm sent on a for sale thread with what I was interested in buying. What was the harm? Really!
The harm is that it bumps the thread to the top. This buries other threads. We have so many posts coming through that it creates an unfair situation to those who aren't getting arbitrarily bumped. Getting rid of unnecessary posts for EVERYONE is the solution we've come up with for leveling the playing field for all users.

Sellers need to adjust and learn to check their PMs without needing multiple reminders.

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how do you know he is being responsable with his add/post? I read many threads where there are pms and then the seller puts pms replied still for sale. That is great than you know there is no deal pending in the back ground. Or a discussion of item.
The FS section has become too large and resource intensive, those are all great things to have in some people's opinion, but which of them is really necessary? We've got ads and iTrader feedback, those are the tools to use.


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As for the shameless schilling of adds, Make it to where a member can only bump two sales adds a week. Stops that problem. With limitation I dont think they will be so willing to waste them.
So if the FS forums have 3k active users and roughly 4,000 posts a day prior to the new rules (probably conservative estimate) how long will it take for someone to monitor all of them and count 2 posts per user? is it a seven day rolling period or just Sunday to Sunday? Your solution sounds simple but would require TONS of monitoring to provide this great FREE service.


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Just my 2cents! If you want to add something new to the forum ADD SPELLCHECK! I know I sure could use it. LOL
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This seems to contradict the mod-button message -

"Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts."

Nothing about reporting rules violations. So, it's ok then?
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I had held hopes that this section which asks for comments and suggestions would actually accept them. That is not happening.
Just because your suggestions aren't being acted on doesn't mean your input isn't being accepted and taken into account.

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It seems very clear what is being said. Post your suggestions. Make your comments. But if you don't like what we are going to do regardless of anything you say, leave.
This has always been the case. Things are run to try and accommodate as broad a group as possible, we want as many California gun enthusiasts and supporters as possible here. However, if someone has irreconcilable issues with the rules they are free to come or go as they see fit.

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Now can Calgun's really afford that?
The ultimate spectrum is that we can have no rules, or a bunch of individually tailored rule sets. What has been implemented is a broad set of rules with the goal of implementing them evenly for everyone given a limited amount of resources. This means that not everyone will be happy, that is the reality and I embrace it.

FS has its own quirks and a much more specific ruleset has been developed to address those quirks.

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Was the membership push so great the last few months that we can now strong arm members and push rules on top of rules even if most voice opposition to them and say back to them (the front line workers here), TS, leave if you don't like it?

Is that where we are now?
I’m not sure exactly what you are asking here. As far as voicing opposition, there is a CONSTANT stream of complaints about the FS section. And this CONSTANT stream is filled with opposing and incompatible viewpoints and fixes.

There may be some unified opposition to the new rules because of the change, that is related to the change itself, not an actual unified opinion of all users.

This change isn’t hard to predict. Look anywhere with active FS boards and see how they are run, most that have our level of traffic are more restrictive, it is a function of resources and traffic. The more traffic in the forum, the more rules you need to allow it to be that large without a small army of volunteer moderators (or without collecting fees and having paid employees)

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Running off good loyal members or deleting their posts, is only adding stress here. When this isn't fun and informative anymore, many will leave. I don't see that should even be considered an option CG should engage in even if it means our excited moderators need to cool their jets a bit.
The blunt truth is that if you are being run off because you can’t post (in the FS section only):
“BUMP”
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“great deal”
“good seller”
Then maybe you should re-examine what is fun for you and why you are here.

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But you will do what you will. I know that. The owner is not likely to cut the legs out from under those he just empowered to "solve all the problems" (perhaps I should say percieved problems as it seem to be working pretty well actually). The real issues the mods should be directed to work on are not even addressed in any of these new "rules".
So you want more rules and regulation of the other discussions? Is that what you are suggesting? What are these “real issues”? These rules are actually in place to free up resources from having to regulate the FS section, not put more effort in there.

Again, you may have perceived things as working well, but that is only due to a large amount of effort and does not reflect the constant stream of complaints. That is your perception.


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Enjoy your powers guys.
I don’t think anyone actually enjoys having to shovel the poop heap that the FS moderation section is.

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Funny how some newer members (usually the guilty ones of most of the new rules that sort of make sense) and folks who have little or NO itrader feedback sure have much to say about how the FS forums should be ran. LMAO! - not really.
Everyone has an opinion

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I am very sorry to see my favorite site take this stance.

I thought I was was one of you. That you were the same as me. THat is why I was so passionate about motivating others to visit. Why I posted Calgun Cards at every range and gun store in so-cal that I visited. I cannot say, speaking just for myself, that I am as encouraged today as I read this thread.
I’ll refer back to the “blunt truth” posted above

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I will play along with one question to one of the mods (whom I had never had any issues with at all in the past, in fact I like him)... Mach1, tell me this... why is "so-Cal" in the location listed in a members address "unacceptable" in your mind?
I’m not Mach1, but he didn’t come up with that rule, the location rules have been very specific regarding city county or zip code for quite some time. One person’s socal is another persons California. Everyone has a different perspective.

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Why do you feel so strongly about this that you would delete a well recognized member in good standing posts or threads?
Everyone is subject to the same rules and treatment. Being a “recognized member in good standing” doesn’t get you special treatment when breaking simple straightforward rules.

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Why would you or any mod send a pm to that member that was anything less than cordial or at least not rude?
If you feel like you’ve been treated poorly you should email/PM Kestryl and Ivanimal and let them know. Being a SOB, isn’t expected moderator behavior. Many of my messages are to the point. I could be nicer. If you’d like to write me a flowery moderator message I will use the amazing copypasta in my PMs I’d appreciate it. Please come up with a few variations for different situations.

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Is this what we can expect in other forums next?
I don’t think so, the FS forums need special rules and attention because they are about commerce, which is different from discussion, which is the main function of CGN.

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But until now, no members were getting their threads/posts deleted nor were they getting nastygrams in their pm box.

The question stands.
That is not true, we send out nastygrams and delete posts on a very regular basis.


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And NO ONE said otherwise. However, the anti's certainly don't bash each other (pm's or otherwise), or have need to recruit more and more members just to fend off the opposition. We, especially in California do not have that luxury. We should be doing everything possible to seem friendly and open and encouraging new and loyal members alike that this is a great place to share friendship and throw support to. We need sites like this one that are fun, friendly and informative. Not one out of the three. Many real men who have grown old enough, just won't stand by to be pushed just because someone got "moderator" under his name and invented a bunch of rules and enforcement tatics as if the membership are now cattle to be moved in a different direction.
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And just to clarify, the day we cannot speak out, especially when it was asked for, then the site is really already worthless.
Agree

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There are many out there who choose not to step forward for different reasons. That is ok.
Choosing not to step forward and speak up is choosing to not have direct input. I’m glad you’re getting their input but if they really have a problem they should bring it up if they want to hear the reasons around why or why not things are done.

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As far as the location "so cal". I see the location being used to help the seller and buyer correctly decide if they are close enough to get together on a deal.
Perception again, you don’t have to change yours, but you do need to follow the rules.

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I have a disclaimer in EVERY sales thread I have made here saying the I will travel to the seller's or buyers FFL of choice (I do offer my favorites around so-cal as first selections). If I am willing to drive anywhere in so-cal to make a deal then why would I want to restrict my sale/trade to north San Diego County where I live? Because it is a stupid rule that I have to?
No one is restricting your ability to sell to any location of your choosing (barring weird regulated stuff like international trade) Listing your location does not trump your disclaimer or invalidate it.


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Why does a Calgun Mod care or have the right to kill my thread if I will travel anywhere in so-cal for the right deal? Heck, I would travel most anywhere in Nor Cal for the right deal. Others do this to. I have had many deals with Nor Cals that we made it work even if one of us had to fly or drive to the other.
Those aren’t the reason why you’re thread would be killed, it is because it does not comply with the rules.

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I have not one more word on the matter.
Aw, c’mon now, ya gotta respond!

In closing:

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No spill blood!

Who makes the rules?
Someone else!

What happens when we break the law? What happens when the rules aren’t fair?
A trip to the house of pain!
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Wow the FS section has become a complicated as the OLL / BB rules in CA.....


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Aw, c’mon now, ya gotta respond!

One time.

And only because you put forth so much effort in those replies.

First you perhaps didn't read my first post to this matter (#77).

Second, you are making a very wrong leap if you are considering the points I established as just my "perspective". Perhaps you are viewing my remarks a little too much from just your perspective.

I have stated several times that I know of many very good Calgunners that see this as way too much stress and certainly do not like be pm'ed and talked to like a child or worse. I hope they dont just leave as several have stated. Unlike the staff here, I don't like to see my friends leave. I seem to be in the minority here that does not like the like it or leave comments. I don't take that position in any of my business or family/friends relations. Does it take effort, not really.

No one is asking for "flowery" messages (nice wordsmithing on your part though). Just the common courtesy one human should expect from another would be just fine.

You see you really all have two options everyday. You can wake up and choose to be an a-hole or not. It takes the same amount of time and effort.

I could answer back to virtually every statement you made here but I am not going to do it. Just please understand, I have seen this before. When this site, regardless of your (CG's) best intentions or reasoning, becomes not fun and becomes too stressful.... your support will falter.

You may not go under, you might not even care. But the main reason I am here and try to garner new supporters in the big picture does not allow for running people off with the ho-hum attitude exhibited here.

If you don't like the messege, sorry. I wasn't going to see what was going on without bringing it to the owners attention. You are all going to do what you wan. I have known that from the start. You can call it what you want, but when it isn't fun, informative and stress free, people will simply start logging on somewhere else more and less here. And that is the real bottom line.


-Now anyone can take what I said personally, twist my words, make things up, read my words wrong, or quote me out of context. I am fine with that. I stated what I have heard and seen. No need for me to re-type anymore.

post #77 and #177

I am done with this subject. You guys figure it out.
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I hadn't read #77 before.

If the FS section is someone's main source of fun or community then these rules will probably kill all CGN joy for that person.

I think the community has a lot more to offer than that.

The FS section is a constant problem child, again, I view it as a great service, but also as tremendous resource burden.
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I hadn't read #77 before.

If the FS section is someone's main source of fun or community then these rules will probably kill all CGN joy for that person.

I think the community has a lot more to offer than that.

Are you kidding?

I am very certain that this forum and certain section more than others might be the only source of interaction with other humans for some of the members here. They seem to live here. (you know who you are) LOL!

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As a bulliten board owner myself I understand this. Means little to the average member, expecially when they feel they are being talked down to.

Damnit! You got me to reply again.

Ok, really that is it. I have other things to worry about.

Good luck.
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Its a fact. Other sites are more strict than CGN. To parallel it with anti's is retarded because we know there facts are wrong.
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"Other sites are more strict than CGN."
Doesn't matter.

Fact is, the new rules turn the marketblace from a bustling, interesting forum to a boring one filled with nothing but ttts.

Decision's been made, obviously, but in my opinion, the no shilling rule sucks.
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Doesn't matter.

Fact is, the new rules turn the marketblace from a bustling, interesting forum to a boring one filled with nothing but ttts.
well, give it time and if the marketplace dies due to excessive rules, then perhaps the powers that be will modify the rules.

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Decision's been made, obviously, but in my opinion, the no shilling rule sucks.
right, that's your opinion. Unfortunately, the "shilling" and bumping got to be excessive so they felt that they had to deal with it. Did they go too far when they implemented the new rule, possibly, but it is what it is. As I said before, perhaps they will amend the rules after they see how they work in real life.

But in the end, the marketplace is not the main reason that CGN exists. It is but a small part of CGN.
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Nothing because Chuck Norris doesn't schill
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These new rules are a joke. Im most likely not going to use this forum to sell or buy anything anymore. The new rules remind me that Im still in California and need to get out sooner than later. I know its time to leave when the #1 CA gun forum is as power controlling as the Dems in charge of our state about simple details. I thought that the #1 CA gun forum was a nice place to buy and sell things but those days are long gone with these new rules. Whats next a 10 day wait to sell a firearm threw this forum?

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