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Old 08-10-2018, 8:06 AM
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I have long wanted a 338 Lapua Mag rifle, but have some questions which I hope some experienced or knowledgeable people can speak to. There are a few purchase options below. All prices are MSRP.

Sako TRG-42: $4550. Muzzle brake and scope rail are optional. Proprietary muzzle threads for their own muzzle brake. An optional excellent bipod is available for nearly $500. Highly adjustable stock. Three lug action, short throw. Dual ejector plungers. Hammer forged barrel, 1:10 twist.

Savage 110 FCP HS Precision: $1726. Comes with muzzle brake and scope rail. Unknown MOA on scope rail.

CZ 550 Magnum H.E.T. II: $3,929: Manners stock, adjustable cheek piece, AI mags. Badger Ordinance bottom metal. Low mount Picatinny rail (unknown MOA). Badger Ordinance FTE muzzle brake. Us made barrel.

New Custom: GAP, Gradous Rifles($5,500), Short Action Customs, Wheeler Accuracy, etc. $4,500+. HS Precision is another. It starts at $3895. Muzzle brake and 20 MOA scope rail are optional (add $358). Simple height adjustment on stock. LOP adjustable. Barrel is 1:10 twist, cut rifled. Stock has aluminum bedding block.

Used Custom: Whatever is out there from Snipers Hide, Gunbroker, etc.

The Savage is appealing because of the much lower price, and while the others are no doubt superior in a multitude of ways, it is hard to ignore the huge price differential. I have a Savage and know the action is not so attractive, it is stiff, and the 338 barrel has a reputation for being badly finished (but somehow seems to often shoot reasonably well), and the stock comb is hopelessly too low for a decent scope (necessitating addition of a adjustable cheek piece). I have the tools necessary for changing out a Savage barrel.

Some unanswered questions. I do not know for any of these rifles, if the mags are limited in cartridge OAL. If I shoot 250 grain rounds and want to touch the lands, will the round be too long for the mag? A 300 grain may solve that if longer to the bullet ogive. Is the barrel chambered so deep, I cannot possibly get the bullet near the lands?

Even if the Savage gets a new barrel, is bedded, cheek rest added, action timed and trued, that may run a bit over $1,500, which is still far less than any other factory rifles listed.

Thoughts are welcome.

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The Savage FCP is "blueprinted" from the factory. Based on another article I read on their blueprinted guns, you won't have to have anything trued.

Other Savage choices are their new Long Range Hunter, which comes with varying height cheekpieces in the Accufit stock. The new Savage are also much smoother than the old ones. It probably won't be anything like a Tikka, but much smoother than Savages from a couple years ago. If you get a 2017 model it has an adjustable cheekpiece. These are lightweight bruisers though, under 9 pounds.
https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/...nter-338-lapua

There is also the Stealth Evolution, which was new in 2017, but out of the catalog now. It has an action that's smoother than the old Savages, but I don't know how it compares to the 2018 models. It's built on a chassis similar to the smaller caliber Evos, so more than likely it uses AICS mags.
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/ca...k-earth-frame/

edit: Also, depending on what you want to use it for, this beast looks like a great value from a pure driving-tacks perspective:
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/ca...26in-laminate/

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We'd be happy to assist you finding a .338 Lapua, some other options to consider are a Desert Tech SRSA1 or even a DRD Tactical Kivaari featureless Semi-Auto.



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I have long wanted a 338 Lapua Mag rifle, but have some questions which I hope some experienced or knowledgeable people can speak to. There are a few purchase options below. All prices are MSRP.



Sako TRG-42: $4550. Muzzle brake and scope rail are optional. Proprietary muzzle threads for their own muzzle brake. An optional excellent bipod is available for nearly $500. Highly adjustable stock. Three lug action, short throw. Dual ejector plungers. Hammer forged barrel, 1:10 twist.



Savage 110 FCP HS Precision: $1726. Comes with muzzle brake and scope rail. Unknown MOA on scope rail.



CZ 550 Magnum H.E.T. II: $3,929: Manners stock, adjustable cheek piece, AI mags. Badger Ordinance bottom metal. Low mount Picatinny rail (unknown MOA). Badger Ordinance FTE muzzle brake. Us made barrel.



New Custom: GAP, Gradous Rifles($5,500), Short Action Customs, Wheeler Accuracy, etc. $4,500+. HS Precision is another. It starts at $3895. Muzzle brake and 20 MOA scope rail are optional (add $358). Simple height adjustment on stock. LOP adjustable. Barrel is 1:10 twist, cut rifled. Stock has aluminum bedding block.



Used Custom: Whatever is out there from Snipers Hide, Gunbroker, etc.



The Savage is appealing because of the much lower price, and while the others are no doubt superior in a multitude of ways, it is hard to ignore the huge price differential. I have a Savage and know the action is not so attractive, it is stiff, and the 338 barrel has a reputation for being badly finished (but somehow seems to often shoot reasonably well), and the stock comb is hopelessly too low for a decent scope (necessitating addition of a adjustable cheek piece). I have the tools necessary for changing out a Savage barrel.



Some unanswered questions. I do not know for any of these rifles, if the mags are limited in cartridge OAL. If I shoot 250 grain rounds and want to touch the lands, will the round be too long for the mag? A 300 grain may solve that if longer to the bullet ogive. Is the barrel chambered so deep, I cannot possibly get the bullet near the lands?



Even if the Savage gets a new barrel, is bedded, cheek rest added, action timed and trued, that may run a bit over $1,500, which is still far less than any other factory rifles listed.



Thoughts are welcome.



Phil


If your getting a 338 like the TRG I have to assume you want long range practical precision. If thatís what your doing, your going to want to hand load at some point if you donít already.

The savages in 338 are known poor performers with hot hand loads. Extraction is a huge problem on a very large percentage.

Custom is in your budget. Stay far away from the savage, unless you only shooting factory and want a 338 for the sake of saying you have one.

If your serious you really should get a custom or youíll kick yourself in the butt every trigger press if you get a Savage.

Edited to add: barrels are everything. 1:10 is to slow unless your running some stupidly long thing.

You can get a Bartlien, Krieger etc, a Deviant action etc and have something special.

Note that you absolutely want AICS ďCIP lengthĒ mags


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Take a look at the Savage Magnum Target model. I like the solid single shot, and its a pretty cheap 338 Lapua. Beyond that I would spend some money on a custom big action better suited for the large bolt face the 338 requires.
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Well, your avatar is an Accuracy International so why not go with that...either a multi-caliber or find an older AIAX.

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I’ve been torn about purchases like this too. I could get a lot of trigger time if I saved 2 grand for ammo. However, I’d buy something nice used off snipershide that’s worth rebarreling when it’s shot out.

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Hey I have a GAP 338 lapua in a surgeon action that only has 5 rounds out of it. It was kind of boring after sighting it in. Are you sure you want a 338 Lapua. Since we live close to one another, maybe we can meet up at Livermore rod and gun and Iíll let you shoot my rifle to see if you really want one. I donít shoot it so maybe Iíll let you shoot a few rounds out of it. I just have to dust off the rifle. I know my kids have tournaments the next two weekends but the third weekend from now I may be free.
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The joy of a 338 Lapua is being able to deliver more kinetic energy at nearly a mile than a 44 magnum at the muzzle. Take Cocorador up on his offer and go try his out. Sounds like he might be willing to part with it. I have a semi-auto 338 and depending upon the timing, I might be able to join you and let you try a few shots through that.

That said, to truly appreciate a 338 Lapua you need to go shoot it at distance. But getting your hands on one to try would give you a better idea of what you're getting yourself into.

Buy once cry once. If you can afford something better than a Savage, you won't regret buying something better than a Savage. This is a lifetime purchase for most folks. Let's talk realit, the fact that we're even having this conversation means that you have sufficient economic horsepower that two years from now you even won't remember the $2K. How does that quote go; 'the frustration of poor quality lingers much longer than the satisfaction of the cheap price".

As was asked above however, what do you want this for? I find it hard to believe its just punching holes in paper at 200 yards? What is the objective of this purchase?

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Fyi Jim O is moving Prime Ammo- if you have an FFL that you can ship to he is selling off 338 and crazy prices
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We'd be happy to assist you finding a .338 Lapua, some other options to consider are a Desert Tech SRSA1 or even a DRD Tactical Kivaari featureless Semi-Auto.



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Hey Phil
Do a search on this forum for Skkeeter at BillyGoat Machine.
He has a brand new 338 Lapua in a Manners folder for sale and everything about it is perfect.
He built me a 338 SnipeTac a 338 Norma Ackley Improved and 2 338 Lapua Ackley Improves so far and they all shoot very small groups.
We start shooting at 2000 yards again in October above whatever is not burned down in UpperLake.
You can drive there in your BMW if you still have it and you can shoot a Skkeeter gun of mine to see what you think.
They put 5 rounds downrange at 1000 yards like that all aluminum heavygun you shot at Sacramento many years ago but most of the guys shoot prone with a bipod.
If you want to try one out I have a Savage a couple Remington's a BAT a Stiller and a PT&G you can try out. None of them are factory guns and they all shoot sub 1/2 inch.
The 338 Lapua is an easy chamberings to get to shoot well kinda like a 6BR.
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Going by your profile pic what you truly want is an A.I. Maybe just go with that. I know they're pricey, but if you're considering custom builds maybe you can swing it.

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Thanks for the shout out Lynn!

OP, I'll make you a deal on the rifle if you promise to shoot in at least one of Lynn's URSA events. I built WhiteMamba's competition 338 and he routinely hit 7-8 out of 10 at 2050 yards with the same reamer I used to chamber this rifle.


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Sorry if it came out like I wanted to sell my rifle. No it is not for sale. I was just offering. I let a lot of people try my rifles when I’m at the range.

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Hey Phil
Do a search on this forum for Skkeeter at BillyGoat Machine.
He has a brand new 338 Lapua in a Manners folder for sale and everything about it is perfect.
He built me a 338 SnipeTac a 338 Norma Ackley Improved and 2 338 Lapua Ackley Improves so far and they all shoot very small groups.
We start shooting at 2000 yards again in October above whatever is not burned down in UpperLake.
You can drive there in your BMW if you still have it and you can shoot a Skkeeter gun of mine to see what you think.
They put 5 rounds downrange at 1000 yards like that all aluminum heavygun you shot at Sacramento many years ago but most of the guys shoot prone with a bipod.
If you want to try one out I have a Savage a couple Remington's a BAT a Stiller and a PT&G you can try out. None of them are factory guns and they all shoot sub 1/2 inch.
The 338 Lapua is an easy chamberings to get to shoot well kinda like a 6BR.
Hi Lynn,

I looked at the rifle by Skeeter on his site (and in post), and it does look nice. 2000 yards seems like it would be a tad long for even a 338 Lapua, much less beyond. I will likely ask him about it.

No BMW anymore and the replacement is probably too small for a rifle, but I have usable transportation. I appreciate the offer to shoot one of your rifles. You have always been very generous doing that and do appreciate it.

I will send you a PM as soon as I can, as I have some questions about the rifles and your events at Upper Lake.

Thank you.

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Hey I have a GAP 338 lapua in a surgeon action that only has 5 rounds out of it. It was kind of boring after sighting it in. Are you sure you want a 338 Lapua. Since we live close to one another, maybe we can meet up at Livermore rod and gun and Iíll let you shoot my rifle to see if you really want one. I donít shoot it so maybe Iíll let you shoot a few rounds out of it. I just have to dust off the rifle. I know my kids have tournaments the next two weekends but the third weekend from now I may be free.
Hi,

The question of whether I am sure I want a 338 Lapua is fair and understandable. It is the same sort of question I asked myself when I bought a fast sports car for life in the 0 - 65 mph world of the San Francisco bay area traffic. I want the 338 just because I want it, even if seldom used...but it would be used as intended. There are venues I can use it at, albeit quite some distance away. I have extensive good reloading equipment, so the high ammo costs will be somewhat contained. I know the optics will be costly.

I have fired two rounds of 338 Lapua at the old Chabot gun club, out of a Savage 110 BA. Recoil was manageable with the muzzle brake, and fired round #2 with no anxiety. I fired no more of my friend's ammo given the $6/shot cost. Since then, have lost 50 lbs., so recoil might feel stiffer now. It was clear to me (and anyone nearby), that I had serious power on my hands.

As my post in General Gun Discussion on hearing makes clear, I do worry about hearing loss with this caliber and the necessary muzzle brake. And especially so at Livermore where the shooting booth is enclosed on top and sides. Do you shoot yours anywhere else, or...? I will consider your invite, and will contact you via PM.

Thank you.

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Hello Phil,

I have not shot this particular rifle except for sighting in, but I do bring my AI with me when we travel for my kids' soccer tournaments. I do shoot it in the Nevada desert, Arizona, Camp Pendleton, and San Louis Obispo range. Mostly open air shooting.

Like I said, I know I have some tournaments for my kids but I will have to check with my wife if 2 weeks from now is open.

I shoot with ear plugs and muffs.
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The standard 338 Lapua does pretty well at 2000 yards and with the Warner Flatlines it's always been competitive.
I have a Savage 111 in 338 Ackley Improved with a 33 inch Bartlein barrel on that shoots well.
I got shot hunting a couple years ago and no longer have a stomach which rendered me 102 pounds lighter. I was looking like a methead tweak but am putting on weight and getting back into long distance shooting
There are a few golden rules about the 338 Lapua.
One is only use Lapua or Peterson brass.
The second is to use Fed 215 primers.
Factory chambers are all cut for 250 grain bullets because that is all they had back then.
Today the 300 grain Berger's shoot well out of the standard chambers.
The 300 grain Sierra MatchKings shoot well but if you ream out the freebore another 0.175 the bullet seats where it should and your velocity improves considerably.
The only downside to the modification is it sometimes requires single feeding because the bullet sticks out more.
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Good Lord Lynn! I am glad you are still with us after the accident.

I read a bit on the Flatline bullets. Very impressive. Thanks for the tip on brassÖI had wondered about Peterson brass. Also, the tips on other bullets and primer is useful. I will be sending you a PM shortly.

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Skkeeter put a couple 338's together for me and so far I haven't shot them. I need to get to the range and fire them to see if Skkeeter did a good job.
You can help me try them out and we can post some pictures of how they group.
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A "couple" of 338s? What range were you planning on going to?

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I am still doing all my load development at Circle S ranch out of two rock where we shot your 223 years ago.
It is deer season now so I spend all my days off hunting but usually any Sunday I am free so just give me a few days notice and all is well.
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