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My Ed Brown's firing pin broke on 1st trip to range, it was replaced, and shot pretty well. I have read others had the same issue and not sure if this issue has been fixed, but I got rid of it. I kept my Wilson CQB & Nighthawk GRP Recon for a reason. Never owned a Springfield Pro, but would vote for CQB.
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Wilson Combat Customer Service > Brown.

SA is dead to me for throwing 2A and gun owners under the bus last year. YMMV
I have (or had?) a LB or MC Operator on my short list. What am I missing here?
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My Ed Brown's firing pin broke on 1st trip to range, it was replaced, and shot pretty well..
Having never, ever encountered such a critical failure of a new firearm like that, regardless of cost, I would be fascinated to hear more about your reaction to such an event from an expensive, hand fitted, highly regarded premium weapon like that.
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As I recall, the OP has been considering the 1911 for duty work.

1. Wilson Combat CQB. W-C prioritizes the 1911 in its business; along with a reputation for great customer service which you may need to keep the 1911 100% on a daily basis.

2. Springfield-Armory PRO. Also has a good reputation for its hardware, but the Government 1911 contract is dying or has died out. It's unknown to me how well S-A will be servicing its 1911 customers in the future. This not only means doing a good job but a quick turnaround as the OP will need/want this handgun for work. This is a very close 2nd to the W-C CQB and depending on my mood, I'd choose the S-A Pro just for its looks, but I suppose you can also order a W-C CQB in a black finish and not have to get that green-color, which I don't like.

3. Ed Brown Special Forces. This always appeared to be a great looking pistol but EB doesn't seem to have much good or any feedback regarding repairs and customer service. I've often used their parts which have been good, but so has Wilson-Combat's parts.

With any of these higher-end 1911s, if you don't shoot them too much, you should be fine. I don't know if we're talking 1000 rounds/year or 10,000 rounds/year. In any case, if there's a breakage or problem, you don't want to be without your primary handgun choice for 3 months, but you might be OK with going without it for a week.

I've considered all three at one time or another.
There was a time when I wanted to carry a 1911 on-duty.
Before my career even started, that option went away, due to department policy mandating everyone use Glock. Prior to retiring, the desire to carry a 1911 on-duty went away, although I was able to carry a 1911 off-duty as much as I wanted and I often did. During my career, I became quite the fan of Glock, and hopefully the OP will have something else to fall back upon should the 1911 of choice be down for service.

Also, if this is going to be a duty-type handgun, consider one with a light-rail as many in LE are getting trained and approved in this direction (but still not all LE). It is more stuff which adds more weight however.
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I will never own another Springfield. I have had far too many that never worked.

I like both the WC and the Ed Brown. I think I would go with the WC for the good service since Brown can be grouchy.
Interesting that I've only had Springfield 1911's that have never failed. My newest one being a TRP Operator runs everything I put in it.
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If your looking for a carry .45, consider the Les Baer Custom Carry.
I have owned one for several years, well made, extremely accurate and most of all RELIABLE. There's no need to spend more than 2K on a custom .45.
Les Baer builds his guns with tight tolerances and manufactures his own parts.
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Having never, ever encountered such a critical failure of a new firearm like that, regardless of cost, I would be fascinated to hear more about your reaction to such an event from an expensive, hand fitted, highly regarded premium weapon like that.
It was irritating and disappointing because it was the 1st range trip & yes, it was an expensive pistol. However, Ed Brown's customer service replaced it for free and didn't have to wait too long for it to be back in my hands. Because of the customer service, I won't ding them much as I understand that nothing is perfect even at high price tags. In my opinion, as long as the manufacturer stands behind making things right for the customer, they're still good in my book.
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Having never, ever encountered such a critical failure of a new firearm like that, regardless of cost, I would be fascinated to hear more about your reaction to such an event from an expensive, hand fitted, highly regarded premium weapon like that.
It was irritating and disappointing because it was the 1st range trip & yes, it was an expensive pistol. However, Ed Brown's customer service replaced it for free and didn't have to wait too long for it to be back in my hands. Because of the customer service, I won't ding them much as I understand that nothing is perfect even high end items with high end prices. Maybe my mindset is different from most, but in my opinion, as long as the manufacturer stands behind making things right for the customer, they're still good in my book.

I had a NIB Beretta 92G-SD, limited run, that I had sent in to Wilson and they ruined the frame because of the hand checkering. By this time, the 92G-SDs already stopped producing and was near impossible to find one at a reasonable price. However, Wilson finally was able to help get another pistol for me. This took 6 months, but in the end, their customer service was outstanding in making sure they made things right for me. I appreciated that, because I ended up with a fully decked out Wilson customized Beretta 92G-SD.
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Not exactly what youre looking for... but fwiw i have a springer TRP and a nighthawk t3 i bought used. Nighthawk blows the trp out of the water as far as fit and finish. Couple thousand thru both, both have been very reliable.
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Ive handled $400 rock island GI's with tighter tolerances than springfields, kimbers aswell. As to my opinion of kimber, youd think 1k+ gun would come with better than a ONE year warranty (RIA is lifetime)..
I've had just the opposite results. Two new made in the US Mil-Specs and a new RIA GI. Both the SA are much tighter and work flawless, the GI is a deal but it has failed more than once and only likes the factory mags, I'm sure if I sent it back RIA would fix it.
For 130.00 more I'll stick with SA, their just a nicer gun all around, IMO of course.
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I think the video below clearly illustrates the folly of carrying a 1911 with a single magazine. With all due deference to the nuclear knockdown power of the .45 ACP flying ashtray, one may still find themselves in a dockside warehouse crawling with heavily armed bad guys from the 1980's.



A zig-zag sprint or perhaps combat roll through the exit door would have been good options. A couple of spare W/C 8rd magazines and a good hiding spot from which to pick off the bad guys in whack-a-mole fashion would have been better.
Bobby, that's so unfair. Magnum only got off two rounds before making a run for it. And the two guys he shot were DRT. He never runs out of ammo. Ever! Lol
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Bobby, that's so unfair. Magnum only got off two rounds before making a run for it. And the two guys he shot were DRT. He never runs out of ammo. Ever! Lol
Unfortunately, that video clip does not show the entire shootout. Magnum in fact shoots several bad guys and does not waste a single round. But as the video starts, he is down to 2 rounds, as he inspects the weapon and sees there is one in the magazine and one in the chamber. There are at least 3-4 bad guys still moving around the warehouse. At the outset of the gunfight there were several more.

Even though it is a campy show, that whole scene is well acted by Tom Selleck. The fact that he is a pro-gun NRA member and real-life military veteran is obvious in his handling of the pistol and economy of resources / use of cover / shoot and scoot tactics. You can see a very convincing sense of fear and dread on his face as he checks his pistol, realizes he is almost out of ammo, and is hit by the gravity that he is probably going to die in that warehouse. The second to last round drops a bad guy, and the last round appears to be suppressing fire tactic to buy a few seconds to make it out the door.

He was definitely out of ammo there, and at least they made the scene believable. His 1911 was empty and locked to the rear as he ran for it.
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It was irritating and disappointing because it was the 1st range trip & yes, it was an expensive pistol. However, Ed Brown's customer service replaced it for free and didn't have to wait too long for it to be back in my hands. Because of the customer service, I won't ding them much as I understand that nothing is perfect even at high price tags. In my opinion, as long as the manufacturer stands behind making things right for the customer, they're still good in my book.
A reasonable response and good that the mfg stood by their product. All's well that ends well. I have an odd sort of loathing of any firearm I own that does not work perfectly and there is an impulse to jettison it immediately. But that is an admittedly unreasonable position and not even possible with a high end firearm like that, without taking a bath on the loss. I suppose if it came back, worked well, all is good.

In all seriousness, I have had good luck with my 1911's, all in the under $1K range. I would gladly buy any of the high end 1911's mentioned in this thread if I had the scratch for them!
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If your looking for a carry .45, consider the Les Baer Custom Carry.
I have owned one for several years, well made, extremely accurate and most of all RELIABLE. There's no need to spend more than 2K on a custom .45.
Les Baer builds his guns with tight tolerances and manufactures his own parts.
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Couldn't agree more. Got mine from CJ in Nov. 2016 and after a little more that 2000 rounds it's my favorite and the only full sized 1911 I own anymore.
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I have (or had?) a LB or MC Operator on my short list. What am I missing here?
Lots was written on it at the time.

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You can get a current production :

Wilson Combat CQB , Ed Brown Special Forces or SA PC9111 PRO. You can buy on or off roster guns , cant modify the gun in any way other then the grips and buying this gun to carry.

Which one would You pick and why.

I presently own all 3 of those choices. I've got several WC's and Browns, only one Pro, but I would like to pick up a second one.

I plan on adding my Pro to my CCW when I get off my butt and get the process done. I recently bought a holster and mag carrier for a full size 1911, specifically with the intention to carry the Pro.

Wilson Combat makes the prettiest 1911's of those choices, and they are certainly one of my favorite manufacturers. I've owned about a dozen WC's over the years. Stellar quality, reliability, customer service, and you cannot beat the options list.

Ed Brown, I've owned about 6-8 of them. Limited options, zero complaints, customer service is okay, but not up to Wilson Combat level. I'm not big on their magazines. Wilson Combat IMO is the be-all end-all for 1911 magazines.

I've owned at least half a dozen SACS pistols, including 2 Pros (1 currently). Stellar customer service and quality. The Pro in particular is NOT my ideal 1911, I should say that. The sights are fine, but not my ideal pick. The Wilson Combat BulletProof 1-piece MSH/mag well is a superior piece IMO, and that's solely based upon looks, not function. I prefer a solid trigger (all of my WC's and Browns have solid triggers, only because I think the 3-hole looks dumb). However, the Pro as configured is the most tested and ironed out semi custom 1911 on the market, and that's why it is my pick. The Black-T finish is a high quality finish. If there is any difference in accuracy or quality between the newer production National Match barrels and the old Nowlin barrels, I haven't noticed it. I've owned several SACS guns with the Nowlin barrels.

The 20lpi checkering works well. It's not the most comfortable, but it's also the most functional.

The Special Forces Chain Link looks cool, but believe me, purchase on the weapon is not up to the level of the Pro. Whether this is an issue for you is solely personal opinion, and something to shake out in training.

I'm also not huge on the ambi safety, but again, for me, this is something the Pro has that I find can be helpful in certain situations.

Generally speaking, all 3 will run. They are all well made pistols. The Pro is generally going to be a tighter fit than the other two. Black-T stands up reasonably well to repeated draws from kydex, in my experience slightly better than Armor-Tuff or certainly the black coating that Brown offers.

All three will run duty loads without issue, but the Pro was specifically designed to run a JHP load.

I'm not sure what else I can add. I like all 3 pistols, and for looks/options/pride of ownership, Wilson Combat has been my top choice for years. But, for a working gun, the Pro would be my choice.

My particular Pro runs the 8-round Wilson Combat mags (both old 47D's and ETM mags) without issue, by the way. That's important to me. I really like those mags. I've had Les Baer (I hate Les Baer pistols, BTW) 1911's that would not run with WC mags.

Order a custom spec Wilson Combat in blue (mine is from back when they still offered Turnbull blue, but the in-house blue is nice) and enjoy having it. Run the hell out of a Pro and give the Black-T a nice "death by kydex". It deserves it, and will serve you well.
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Anyone who hates LB pistols has lost credibility with me.
I know several people who will never again own a LB because of their poor customer service including LB himself who can be a real jerk.
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This is where I got my CQB from. Been a while since I looked at their inventory and I wish I didn’t just now.

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Anyone who hates LB pistols has lost credibility with me.

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Even their website sucks.

I've owned two. The first one was really nice, after SACS went through it. Back in the good old days, when SACS was a true custom shop.

When a Premier II was about $1100 new, it was a deal. Same old gun, but look at the prices now. Yes, my first CQB was $1800 new, but they have improved just about everything since then. Better magwells, better sights, better coatings, better barrels, better thumb safeties, more options, better mags, fully forged and barstock steel, etc. Well, the free state models anyway.
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This is where I got my CQB from. Been a while since I looked at their inventory and I wish I didnít just now.

http://www.migunslingers.com

I've bought a bunch of WC pistols from George. Top notch guy and I'd recommend him to anyone. I think I bought a few Ed Browns from him, too, and I know I got my NHC Talon from him.
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Go for the king: SVI!

You design your own gun: barrel length, type of serration, material of slide and frame, single or double stack, caliber, types of sights, engraving, down to serial number....

Best of all, SVI's are on the roster!! No need to jump through hoops!!

IMO, the gun handles and shoots much better than WC, NHC, EB, GC, LB.....


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Another vote for Les Baer. Serious pistols, for serious shooters, not accessorize-rs, hahaha. Plus the guy still answers the phone, spoke to him several times and he was very polite in answering my questions.

Springfields are so-so, a standard Baer PII would beat the brakes off of a SA PRO and it's $1300-1500 less.

Wilsons are also okay, more aesthetically pleasing than the Baer but they test their guns with wadcutter loads, so even though their test target looks good, Baer still takes it with a standard 3" 50yd guarantee.

Once you remove all of the fluff and just look at shooting, reliability and accuracy, Baer takes it, hands down. Just my $.02 though.
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Another vote for Les Baer. Serious pistols, for serious shooters, not accessorize-rs, hahaha. Plus the guy still answers the phone, spoke to him several times and he was very polite in answering my questions.

Springfields are so-so, a standard Baer PII would beat the brakes off of a SA PRO and it's $1300-1500 less.

Wilsons are also okay, more aesthetically pleasing than the Baer but they test their guns with wadcutter loads, so even though their test target looks good, Baer still takes it with a standard 3" 50yd guarantee.

Once you remove all of the fluff and just look at shooting, reliability and accuracy, Baer takes it, hands down. Just my $.02 though.
Lol, "beat the brakes of of a SA Pro". Based on what testing did you draw this conclusion?

And Wilson uses wadcutters for testing? You must have gotten this info from the same place that you got your SA Pro information.

You might want to take the time to watch this video on how Wilson tests their pistols.



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Frank explain slide to frame fit>?

SVI's slide to frame fit is second to none. I've owned Ed Brown Special Forces; Guncrafter Industries Model 2, No Name, American; shot friend's Wilson Combat (forgot the model) and Les Baer. The closest to SVI was Guncrafter Industries, but there's still a huge gap between the 2. The slide to frame is tight (no play at all), yet the action is smooth....very smooth........

After getting first 2 SVI's (I got both at the same time), I then sold all my semi-custom 1911's. SVI's are just that good!



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how can we order SVI in 9mm directly? the roster shows .45 caliber
You can't order 9mm directly. You have to order .45 ACP.

However, SVI invented and has a copyright of its "interchangeable breechface". You can change caliber at anytime. Just switch out the breechface, change the barrel, and use correct magazine, you can shoot another caliber!



Details: http://sviguns.com/4007.php

Check out this page: https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...e-stack.13418/

OP posted pictures of him changing from .45 ACP to .40 S&W.

In addition, once you get your on-roster SVI, you can always ship the gun back to SVI for gunsmith work.

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more pictures of my SVI's can be seen at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=805795

Once you go SVI, there's no going back.............................

SVI's website: http://sviguns.com/

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You can't order 9mm directly. You have to order .45 ACP.

However, SVI invented and has a copyright of its "interchangeable breechface". You can change caliber at anytime. Just switch out the breechface, change the barrel, and use correct magazine, you can shoot another caliber!
Thank you for the information and I don't know SVI has such copyright. Now you make me want to consider SVI instead of hunting STI off rosters.

is there a general price range on it? the website doesn't have price.
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In terms of accuracy:

How far is the distance on the pistol side to the farthest steel target on the hill at Angeles Shooting Range?

I can hit that steel target with one shot (first shot only, I flinch after first shot...)


As for reliability and longevity: SVI are well known for reliability and a favorite among competitive shooters. I once asked the owners of SVI on facebook about number of rounds through their SVI's so far. Average was 100,000 (and they shoot just as new). One guy fired more than 400,000 rounds through his SVI and he stopped counting the rounds. He's still shooting that gun, BTW.
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Thank you for the information and I don't know SVI has such copyright. Now you make me want to consider SVI instead of hunting STI off rosters.

is there a general price range on it? the website doesn't have price.

The very basic one (without a lot of customized features) starts around $3K. Average is about $5k.

It's well worth the money. Look at my previous post on round counts.

Although a Toyota Yaris can get you anywhere, but if you're really into driving and you can afford it, one will definitely get a Ferrari, right?
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The very basic one (without a lot of customized features) starts around $3K. Average is about $5k.

It's well worth the money. Look at my previous post on round counts.

Although a Toyota Yaris can get you anywhere, but if you're really into driving and you can afford it, one will definitely get a Ferrari, right?
maybe an average one would within my budget. I was going to get a .45 Costa VIP from the market place, but it costs extra $1500 to convert to 9mm by STI.
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@Nor*Cal...

that vid is propaganda, hahaha. All jokes aside, they could say whatever they want in their videos, but I've seen several test targets on purchased pistols and it shows the round as a 200gr wadcutter, usually tested at 15yds (FACTS).

Oh on the Springfield, I shot that and the Baer side by side. I wasn't impressed with the PRO. You'll have to show me more than a tight tolerance, a bag, 6 mags and Smith and Alexander magwell for $3000+. Honestly, I think some people just get it because it was selected by the FBI for the HRT, and that's cool too. It just don't see where the money went..
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@Nor*Cal...

that vid is propaganda, hahaha. All jokes aside, they could say whatever they want in their videos, but I've seen several test targets on purchased pistols and it shows the round as a 200gr wadcutter, usually tested at 15yds (FACTS).

Oh on the Springfield, I shot that and the Baer side by side. I wasn't impressed with the PRO. You'll have to show me more than a tight tolerance, a bag, 6 mags and Smith and Alexander magwell for $3000+. Honestly, I think some people just get it because it was selected by the FBI for the HRT, and that's cool too. It just don't see where the money went..
Some consider that FBI test as the most extensive trial ever been done on handguns and only Springfield passed. Being the only one, Springfield has all the reasons to put a hefty price tag on this particular gun.

The detail of the test can be read here: https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...ield-pro.7995/
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