2013 - The front line is California

[pennys dad]

The front line is California


We followed the process by making sure they knew our position. It is a process we must follow and be true to. They need to know our voices and thoughts and opinions.
We can not stop now we must settle in for the long fight.
Thinking that a few emails, faxes and calls will win the war isn't the way to think, we must settle in for the long fight we must continue to fight or accept loss.

We are not done yet:

The next major deadline after that is September 13 roughly, All Senate bills (SBs) must be passed by the Assembly before this deadline, and all Assembly bills (ABs) must be passed by the Senate before this deadline.

Governor Jerry Brown then has until October 13 to sign or veto the passed bills. If he takes no action, then the bill becomes the law.

More results here: http://assembly.ca.gov/dailyfile

APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE RESULTS-

SB-53 Ammunition/Permits. passed
SB-38 Firearms: prohibited persons. - HOLD
SB-293 Firearms: owner-authorized handguns. - HOLD
SB-374 Firearms: assault weapons. passed (SB 47 was sucked into SB-374)
SB-567 Firearms: shotguns. passed
SB-683 Firearms: firearm safety certificate. passed
SB-755 Firearms: prohibited persons. passed

Updates:

SB-396 passed
48 passed
169 passed
711 passed

September Deadlines
Sept. 6 Last day to amend bills on the floor (J.R. 61(a)(13)).
Sept. 13 Last day for each house to pass bills (J.R. 61(a)(14)).

[BattleScout]

Though I hate the news, thank you for bringing it. I'd like to help. Eastern Ventura County contact?

[scootle]

What about the Assembly Bills in Senate Appropriations? (AB 48, 169, 711, 1131, etc.)

Also, what happened to SB 396 (banning magazines over 10 rounds completely)?

Thanks.

[IPSICK]

What about SB 396 and how was SB 47 sucked into SB 374? Is SB 374 amended to also re-define detachable mag centerfire firearms?

[panzer]

we need to do something Guys, these guys have to go!the state is not going to protect us from criminals> donate now

[pennys dad]

SB374 was amended to include most of SB47 re: banning the Bullet Button

still waiting on news for other bills asked about

[chris]

the results are what I expected from these STATISTS.

guess it's time to write letters to send to the governor and I mean lots of them.

[cjc16]

Does anyone really think this crap was/is not going to pass? I called and e-mailed multiple times but knew it was just a formality given the stooges we have in Sac. I do believe it is important that we voice our opinions but at this point they should just get it over with so we can take it to the courts.
It would be nice if we could muster some kind of a recall ala Colorado but I pretty much know that's not going to happen either.
Put a fork in it because I think this state is cooked.

[Panchira!]

Ok so if calls/faxes/emails don't work then what do you recommend we do?

[JamminJ]

A bad day but not unanticipated.

[23 Blast]

Before today, we were looking at the doctor who had a very grave expression on his face. There was still a flicker of hope.

Then he told you "you have to get your affairs in order".

Yes - not unanticipated, but still unwelcome news.

[JamminJ]

True that.

[russ0861]

who voted how?

or is it the obvious party lines?

[IPSICK]

Originally Posted by pennys dad

SB374 was amended to include most of SB47 re: banning the Bullet Button

still waiting on news for other bills asked about

Any link to the amendment?

[SteveH]

SB374 is really confusing to me.

Says it does not apply to "antiques" So would C&R M1 Carbines be exempt?

Says we have to register detachable mag semi auto's but also says they had to be purchased after Jan 1, 2001. What about detachable mag semi autos purchased prior to then that were never AW's until this legislation?

[Dioxindude]

So now what!

[pennys dad]

Originally Posted by Panchira!

Ok so if calls/faxes/emails don't work then what do you recommend we do?

They worked. They know our position. It does not mean they accept our position.
We still need to work at changing some minds up there.
We still need to do face to face visits with our local reps.

Find your local reps: http://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/

and go talk to them. Not once though, make them your coffee buddy and make sure they know where you stand and why

[chris]

Originally Posted by russ0861

who voted how?

or is it the obvious party lines?

along party lines of course all demoKrats (STATISTS) vote alike.

[pennys dad]

Originally Posted by IPSICK

Any link to the amendment?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...chClient.xhtml

[speedrrracer]

Thanks for keeping us posted, p d

[Rock6.3]

[cjc16]

Originally Posted by pennys dad

They worked. They know our position. It does not mean they accept our position.
We still need to work at changing some minds up there.
We still need to do face to face visits with our local reps.

Find your local reps: http://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/

and go talk to them. Not once though, make them your coffee buddy and make sure they know where you stand and why

With all due respect it aint gonna work. Hell, some of these guys might even like guns. Its the party agenda at this point. The only thing that is going to stop them is a court order. We should be getting a war chest together and have an Attorney present them with a letter stating what will happen when these things pass.
I hate to say it but its over. We lost this battle but not the war. So lets start looking at letting the lawyers handle it.

[pennys dad]

Originally Posted by Dioxindude

So now what!

Enjoy your weekend, rest up, go to the range, and get ready for the next round.
We cannot stop, we must continue to fight and fight hard.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by SteveH

SB374 is really confusing to me.

Says it does not apply to "antiques" So would C&R M1 Carbines be exempt?

Hell no. Big difference between antiques and C&R weapons.

Antiques are generally weapons made before 1899. See definition here...

BATFE website

-hanko

[Synyster182]

Further proof that CA legislators ignore their constituents and do whatever they want. Much like their almighty progressive leader who thinks he is a king.... We live a state where the people are ignored to keep the oppressors in power... Period. The sheer fact they are grand-fathering is amazing.

[pennys dad]

Originally Posted by cjc16

With all due respect it aint gonna work. Hell, some of these guys might even like guns. Its the party agenda at this point. The only thing that is going to stop them is a court order. We should be getting a war chest together and have an Attorney present them with a letter stating what will happen when these things pass.
I hate to say it but its over. We lost this battle but not the war. So lets start looking at letting the lawyers handle it.

A war Chest for an Legal action: Yes
(CALGUNS will be starting the process in time)

Giving up: NO, I won't give up and I will keep talking and visiting and meeting and calling and emailing and faxing and rallying and ANY OTHER FREAKING THING NEEDED TO WIN!

THIS IS A RIGHT, NOT A RIGHT GIVEN BY MAN and OUR LEGISLATORS ARE SPITTING ON IT. THIS IS A FOUNDATION of OUR COUNTRY and GIVING UP IS "NOT ACCEPTABLE".

[CessnaDriver]

Come what may, I prefer they have to look me in the eye and justify attacking my liberties to me personally. It's a step I will try my best to take unless they hide from us mere citizens.

The legal challenges to this tyranny will be inevitable and we should all do what we can to back those challenges by those that know what they are doing.

[IPSICK]

Originally Posted by pennys dad

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...chClient.xhtml

According to this the text re-defining detachable mag to also mean readily removable with a tool has been included since at least August 5th. Although the text as proposed for the statue focuses on dis-assembly of the action. Is that right?

[omgwtfbbq]

Well like many have said, this isn't unexpected, but I still had my fingers crossed we would skate through another legislative session without a major bill passing.

Time to lace up and get ready for the next round.

Also worrisome to me is that now the price wars are going to start again. Things were just starting to calm down, too. Time to invest in a stripped lower..... maybe 20.

[cjc16]

Originally Posted by pennys dad

A war Chest for an Legal action: Yes
(CALGUNS will be starting the process in time)

Giving up: NO, I won't give up and I will keep talking and visiting and meeting and calling and emailing and faxing and rallying and ANY OTHER FREAKING THING NEEDED TO WIN!

THIS IS A RIGHT, NOT A RIGHT GIVEN BY MAN and OUR LEGISLATORS ARE SPITTING ON IT. THIS IS A FOUNDATION of OUR COUNTRY and GIVING UP IS "NOT ACCEPTABLE".

I know I sound pessimistic but I'm with you. I'll never give up either but we need some serious ammunition to fight these imbeciles. The only thing they fear is getting sued and losing and not even that when it comes to taxpayer money. Somehow we need to make these guys accountable for their actions. I think, like some around here, that this may be a blessing in disguise. I wish they had left the rimfire clause in SB374. Then it would be a slam dunk at SCOTUS.
The way this state is going this was inevitable. Maybe they finally crossed the line and we can get a definitive court win. If we lose in the end, well, I'll cross that line when it comes.
Keep up the good fight Penny's dad! We appreciate what you are doing.

[Nate74]

So how do we get funds to the RIGHT lawyers? NRA? CGF? I'll match the first $500.

[vaka]

besides taking it to the courts I think there should be a concentrated effort in changing the people in public office next election instead of trying to change the minds of the current people In office. maybe some members of the Calguns community are qualified candidates to run for state office.

[cjc16]

Maybe we should do a head fake and go completely silent. No calls, no e-mails no anything. That would really freak them out. lol

[Nate74]

Originally Posted by vaka

besides taking it to the courts I think there should be a concentrated effort in changing the people in public office next election instead of trying to change the minds of the current people In office. maybe some members of the Calguns community are qualified candidates to run for state office.

I don't disagree. However one of these idiots stood in front of a group of people and claimed that a bullet button turned a semi automatic rifle into a fully automatic rifle and nobody challenged her. That's what we are facing.

[vaka]

pennys dad how if at all do any of these bills affect home builds

[cjc16]

Originally Posted by vaka

pennys dad how if at all do any of these bills affect home builds

shhhhh

[glocksmith]

Uhaul+Gas money.

[vaka]

Let sleeping dogs lie

[.30-06]

Hey Steinberg! I've got your gun control package right here!

[naeco81]

We don't quit when we are tired, we quit when they are tired. Let's go!