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Old 02-12-2018, 9:27 PM
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Default State Parks - specifically SRVAs - OK to CCW?

Anyone know if there has been any change in the rules for carrying in State Parks SRVAs? Are we still good to go?

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Anyone know if there has been any change in the rules for carrying in State Parks SRVAs? Are we still good to go?

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Never heard of a SVRA - State Vehicular Recreation Area before - new thing of the day! (We don't do that stuff, don't have the equipment.)
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Anyone know if there has been any change in the rules for carrying in State Parks SRVAs? Are we still good to go?

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You mean SVRA's (State Vehicular Recreation Areas). Or OHV Parks.

And unless the laws have changed in the past few years, you may carry concealed in state parks with a valid CCW.

Here's a good (sticky) thread in the camping and outdoors section:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=186457

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http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1170/f...itor-guide.pdf

You can take this for what its worth.

This is the OHV area I frequent. page 11 has the rules and regs
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On a whim, I emailed info@parks.ca.gov last night and by this morning I had a response from Capt. Ahlberg, Sector Superintendent for the Ocotillo Wells SVRA. This is similar (almost verbatim) to the other responses posted in years past, except they're now updating their regulations to address CCWs.

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Your e-mail was forwarded to me from the Communications Office for a response. Thank you for taking the time to inquire before coming out to visit.

As you may already know, the carrying and possession of firearms in California State Parks is generally prohibited, and is only allowed per Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations (CCR), Section 4313 as follows:

§ 4313. Weapons and Traps. (California Code of Regulations)

(a) No person shall carry, possess or discharge across, in or into any portion of any unit any weapon, firearm, spear, bow and arrow, trap, net, or device capable of injuring, or killing any person or animal, or capturing any animal, or damaging any public or private property, except in underwater parks or designated archery ranges where the Department of Parks and Recreation finds that it is in its best interests.

(b) Nothing herein contained shall be construed in derogation of the use of weapons permitted by law or regulation and to be used for hunting in any unit, or portion thereof, open to hunting.

(c) Firearms not having a cartridge in any portion of the mechanism, other unloaded weapons or devices such as traps, nets, and bows and arrows may be possessed within temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased, or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use.

Exceptions to this regulation are granted in the California Penal Code Section 25900 pertaining to law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel and PC Section 26010 for citizens with Carry Concealed Weapon permits. CCR 4313 is regulatory, whereas the California Penal Code is Statutory. Regulations give way to activities specifically granted in Statute, so a valid CCW could allow carry in a park. However, any restrictions placed on the CCW by the issuing agency would also be applicable in California State Parks. For example, if the CCW is only valid in the CCW holder’s City of residence or County, it would not be valid in a State Park Unit located outside the City or County of the holder. Some CCWs also prohibit carrying in “parks” and this would include State Park lands, if that is the case.

The Department is in the process of updating CCR 4313 which will have specific language with regard to the exemptions granted in the California Penal Code. Hopefully this amendment will help to clarify the grey areas…

Hopefully this was helpful for you,
So - Looks like CCW is good to go in State Parks, as long as your IA doesn't have any specific restrictions that would prevent it.
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On a whim, I emailed info@parks.ca.gov last night and by this morning I had a response from Capt. Ahlberg, Sector Superintendent for the Ocotillo Wells SVRA. This is similar (almost verbatim) to the other responses posted in years past, except they're now updating their regulations to address CCWs.

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So - Looks like CCW is good to go in State Parks, as long as your IA doesn't have any specific restrictions that would prevent it.
Good job!

Asking politely usually gets useful responses (outside the DOJ, unfortunately).
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On a whim, I emailed info@parks.ca.gov last night and by this morning I had a response from Capt. Ahlberg, Sector Superintendent for the Ocotillo Wells SVRA. This is similar (almost verbatim) to the other responses posted in years past, except they're now updating their regulations to address CCWs.

I've bolded the hot points:



So - Looks like CCW is good to go in State Parks, as long as your IA doesn't have any specific restrictions that would prevent it.
I find this interesting. I've been digging around in the regs for County parks in my county and my IA says there is no exemption for CCW holders in County Parks at the County level, yet the state says their IS an exemption in State Parks. Since the wording between the CCR and the County ordinance in question are similar, I wonder if the County will revise their regs once the state adds the wording for LE and CCW exemptions in State Parks...
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I was in Hollister SVRA for the weekend and carrying. There were a couple of missing riders and the rangers used our camp as their rally point. Per my IA's policy, I notified the lead officer that I had my carry license and asked if he wanted to see it. He didn't even bat an eye and just said thanks for notifying him. I consider this contact because we were talking and giving information about the riders since we had seen them earlier.

Long story, short, I believe the rangers will be less worked up about a CCW than your standard county or city law enforcement.

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I find this interesting. I've been digging around in the regs for County parks in my county and my IA says there is no exemption for CCW holders in County Parks at the County level, yet the state says their IS an exemption in State Parks. Since the wording between the CCR and the County ordinance in question are similar, I wonder if the County will revise their regs once the state adds the wording for LE and CCW exemptions in State Parks...
In my home county of Orange, firearms are prohibited in county parks by a 'County ordinance'; you have me wondering now if they Penal Code supersedes the ordinance like it does a 'regulation'... or what the difference is.
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In my home county of Orange, firearms are prohibited in county parks by a 'County ordinance'; you have me wondering now if they Penal Code supersedes the ordinance like it does a 'regulation'... or what the difference is.
As already noted in another thread, it went to court vs San Mateo County, and the 'no ccw exception' was held legal.
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In my home county of Orange, firearms are prohibited in county parks by a 'County ordinance'; you have me wondering now if they Penal Code supersedes the ordinance like it does a 'regulation'... or what the difference is.
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As already noted in another thread, it went to court vs San Mateo County, and the 'no ccw exception' was held legal.
It's the same in Ventura County. I'm just wondering if any counties will revise their regs once the state revise the CCR, which they seem to mimic in one form or another.

Since this has been upheld in court already, it's clearly settled from a legal standpoint. That doesn't shut the door to change in the County Ordinances at some point though.
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