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Hello, People! We're Back!
We've both been out of town, not logging in, or otherwise indisposed. Let's say this election has been...unfortunate, and work hasn't helped matters either. If you've posted in this thread since our last update, regrets; we have not been logging on as real life took over, all while keeping in touch with Dimitri who we spoke with today. First: The group buy and the delivery of frames is alive and well. As we mentioned the frames would be delivered after the manufacturer is finished with the product. A few important items: Pickup of material in Oceanside We will be picking up frames from Ares perhaps this Friday or Saturday. Currently the frames are being black oxided as we speak. This date may slip a day or two based upon manufacturing and finishing time from Ares. Once this is accomplished, we will be setting up a pickup time in Oceanside for all those who ordered frames who wanted pickup locally there. Local build parties to accompany your frames Ares has been kind enough to continue working with their local CNC players to ensure you have a great manufacturing experience. The cost for the build party will be between $65 and $85 per frame, expect the possibility of less. More on this later. The build party is anticipated to take place towards the latter part of THIS MONTH, November. Subsequent to that there may be an opportunity for you to show up and manufacture your own at the facility ad-hoc. As soon as we have a date available for you, we will let you know on this thread. Shipping All those who paid for their shipping, give us a couple of days to get the TWO to THREE HUNDRED items packed for you and shipped. We will get them to you as soon as we are able to pack, go to the post office, and have them shipped. Expect this will take place within the week from when we receive them. Grips Ares has committed to making additional grip colors available for all those who asked. They expect the grips to sell for approximately $20 or so. Status of ATF As of today, 5 months later, Ares has still not received a response to the ATF submission of their frame. Times being what they are, it will be curious to see if and when that original response is dealt with. Some minor revisions were made to the frame to also allow for a submission under a previously allowed frame. Ares attorneys are on it and feel comfortable that there are no issues in this. We will be shipping your frames from Ares and be acting as their shipping go-phers. Thanks to all of our Paypal foibles given a few kind members on Calguns, we want to avoid any future ... entanglements caused by a few "enthusiastic" members. Thank you again for your help and patience, enjoy your frames, and expect to hear a lot more from us over the next couple of weeks. Cheers! glbtrottr - if you absolutely must have my phone number for any reason not covered that cannot be addressed by PM, send a PM and I will provide it for you. To all those sending good wishes to the Banana, thank you.
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On hold.... Last edited by glbtrottr; 11-12-2012 at 3:39 PM.. |
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When I was posting status to say there was no status everyone sent me mail telling to me shut up so I did. There has been no status with the exception of my owning a handful of people with mail orders notes confirming they were in. The Chase died on me and I believe I e-mailed everyone telling them after I lost PP that Chase would not allow me to collect money and it was all refunded by Chase. When I lost my PP account because of politics here it really took the wind out of my sails since I used that account for so very much.
Savs, thanks for asking I am still down but I will get a handful of e-mails out, I know glbtrottr spoke to Ares like 20 minutes before he posted and that was the first information we had come in. Glb has the most current status but I keep the who is on the list list and I am betting after so much time people who appreciate some confirmation notes. Sounds like it might be a busy weekend ...
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After all is said and done, and time for folks to get them built up, if someone wanted to set up a range day for the builds I will chip in a couple kegs of home brew to toast the builds (for after the range closes of course )
The Banana, take care of yourself and If I can help with anything from the San Diego area let me know. And again thanks for putting this all together and all the work involved. |
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They said they made changes so they were covered by an earlier letter. Let's all stop stirring the pot.
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The CHEAPSEST would be SARCO, The cheapest best solution would probably be to buy the value kit from Ares Armor.
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I suggest that anyone considering a budget build kit instead of buying right away, purchase both volumes of the Kuhnhausen M1911 manuals and read them.
If you want a cheap 1911, an RIA is cheap and will be about the same quality as a 1911 built with a Sarco parts kit. What an 80% build let's you do is customize a 1911 to your own specs for the cost of parts (something a whole lot easier in the rest of the country where finished frames and slide/frame kits are available to buy without being a police officer). So play to the strength of an 80% and make your slide to frame fit ball bearing smooth with zero play, hard fit your barrel for match accuracy and give it a nice trigger while you are at it. Your parts don't have to be really expensive but they should be high quality. With a Sarco kit, quality is very questionable and often the parts are minimum spec drop-ins with no material left for fitting. |
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I bought a sarco kit to put my first one togather, parts look decent and I've checked most of the critical deminsons on the slide and they all check out. I'll put it togather and see if I can make it work and go from there
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So which frame/ATF letter are they following? This one? Quote:
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glbtrottr, thanks for the update. I was under the impression that the frames were coming "in the white" is that no longer the case?
In any case, looking forward to picking up my frames when they are available. |
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Being a NOOB to this, I was wondering how others are planning on building to comply with regs and not have it legally considered an "Unsafe handgun":
(This is from a conversation on the 2nd group buy thread page 6 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...=629599&page=6) 32000. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year. 31910. As used in this part, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, for which any of the following is true: (a) For a revolver: (1) It does not have a safety device that, either automatically in the case of a double-action firing mechanism, or by manual operation in the case of a single-action firing mechanism, causes the hammer to retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of the cartridge. (2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns. (3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns. (b) For a pistol: (1) It does not have a positive manually operated safety device, as determined by standards relating to imported guns promulgated by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. (2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns. (3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns. (4) Commencing January 1, 2006, for a center fire semiautomatic pistol that is not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism. (5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center fire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism. (6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a detachable magazine. (7) (A) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions. (B) The Attorney General may also approve a method of equal or greater reliability and effectiveness in identifying the specific serial number of a firearm from spent cartridge casings discharged by that firearm than that which is set forth in this paragraph, to be thereafter required as otherwise set forth by this paragraph where the Attorney General certifies that this new method is also unencumbered by any patent restrictions. Approval by the Attorney General shall include notice of that fact via regulations adopted by the Attorney General for purposes of implementing that method for purposes of this paragraph. (C) The microscopic array of characters required by this section shall not be considered the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, within the meaning of Sections 23900 and 23920. Is there a way other than building with a single shot mag and long barrel per: 32100. (b) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10½ inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled. If it is built that way is it than legal to install the 8 rd mag and standard length barrel? Pardon the ignorance, just trying to learn and my Google-Fu is weak on this |
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The typical way is as you described: build as dimensionally-compliant single-shot exempt (SSE) and then convert to semi-auto w/ a shorter barrel.
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Another point just brought up on the other thread is sales tax. Was sales tax included in the $125? If not it will be just under $10 ($9.6875) per frame. I personally want to make sure no one on the back end gets screwed on the tax, so if needed will hand over a $20 when I pick up.
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I've got a 10mm barrel with a ramp and fully supported chamber because that's a high pressure round. I think .38 Super barrels are usually ramped too. I've heard .45 ACP ramped barrels might cause more feed issues than they cure so I'm only going to try a ramped barrel on a .45 Super or other high pressure .45 case design. I am going to be using a mill for all my work with files to break edges and maybe make cuts that I can't easily set up for on a mill. I'm no Khyber Pass gun shop, I need accurate tools to make sure I don't cut away too much. |
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I've brought this issue up in this GB many times, the organizers did not feel it was worth a reply so I'm guessing it should be fine.
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That's my point.
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At this point, I want out.
I will not take delivery without an ATF letter. Assurances are not enough for me. If they are for the rest of you more power to you and enjoy your frame. I don't want to argue semantics or legalities. First member to PM me with a PayPal offer of 125 gets my spot. |
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I know A lot of guys are antsy to get them, I just want them right. This doesn't bother me, I'm of the mindset, "do it right, do it right the first time no matter how long it takes" Quality matters.
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I for one am not worried at all. As long as I get the two frames that I paid for I will be happy. Last edited by NissanPreRunner; 11-14-2012 at 6:47 AM.. |
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