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Old 01-22-2018, 11:22 PM
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Can we make it where the ammo is free and there is simply a suggested “donation”?
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Op, honestly, idgaf, about your thread. Your posts. You come off as a jerk wad

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Calguns should keep the private ammo sales forum open for those that want to defy the current un- reasonable ammo restrictions.

Let private parties decide weather or not they want to meet and trade ammo between themselves.

Clearly, these restrictions on private sales are a fifth amendment violation and will be overturned. Calgun should not be aiding the state in commiting these fifth “91amendment violations.

Additionaly, these restrictions are a direct assault on the second amendment rights of kalifornians and calgun should not be taking the side of the state in this battle.

Americans defy ridiculous government edicts and they always have. Are we not Americans?

“Shall not be infringed” has a specific historic definition. I do not recognize any of californias BS restrictions on the supreme law of the land

Should Calgun be our nanny preventing us from “violating” stupid, unconstitutional, punative state edicts? Whose side is Calguns on?
I'm totally against the closure of the ammo sales forum. We have gun sales which are supposed to be conducted through an FFL so I don't see why the ammo sales should be closed. I find it to be a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction and completely against what I think the forum should be, but the forum also stifles our 1st amendment rights so obviously this isn't a freedom loving place. My only reasonable guess is that it's people like you, wanting an outlet where he can circumvent the law, that spurred the closure. If lots of people use the forum for that purpose it's possible that it could become an issue for Calguns. I'm no lawyer, no clue how the forum would be involved/harmed; but it's the legal system, not the logic system.

As far as when it'll be re-opened, Kestral eluded to it staying closed 'till the law gets overturned.
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I find it interesting that everyone telling Kes how to run the site is not a paid member.

Starting a website isn't hard, folks. If you want an ammo-trading website, start one!
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...but the forum also stifles our 1st amendment rights so obviously this isn't a freedom loving place...

Clearly you do not know how the 1A and privately owned internet forums work.
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...but the forum also stifles our 1st amendment rights so obviously this isn't a freedom loving place...

Clearly you do not know how the 1A and privately owned internet forums work.

Clearly you incorrectly assumed that.
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OP and others, if you would like to advertise private ammo sales in an open/public forum, start your own website. If i’m Kest, I would not expose myself to possible legal headache for “facilitating”. Of course the law is garbage.

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oh look an ammo flipper is getting mad he can't flip his ammo for profits.
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Curious what research many of you did on OP to call him an "ammo flipper". If you look at his thread history, he has made 4 ammo sale threads in the past 3 years. If you look at his iTrader, he buys much much more than he sells. Probably 10 to 20 time more. I actually sold him some of my ammo back in 2012 and he was a nice guy. An avid shooter.

Many people on these boards are way to quick to judge or label someone. Sure, his posts on this subject were pretty extreme but he's obviously passionate about guns and the 2nd amendment. And pissed about all of the California BS gun and ammo laws.

We have enough challenges in this state with the ultra liberal politicians and all of the misinformed sheeple. No need to battle amongst ourselves. Hopefully Kes is able to get some legal feedback that makes him feel comfortable with re-opening the ammo sales section.
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OP and others, if you would like to advertise private ammo sales in an open/public forum, start your own website. If i’m Kest, I would not expose myself to possible legal headache either for “facilitating”. Of course the law is garbage.
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Curious what research many of you did on OP to call him an "ammo flipper". If you look at his thread history, he has made 4 ammo sale threads in the past 3 years. If you look at his iTrader, he buys much much more than he sells. Probably 10 to 20 time more. I actually sold him some of my ammo back in 2012 and he was a nice guy. An avid shooter.

Many people on these boards are way to quick to judge or label someone. Sure, his posts on this subject were pretty extreme but he's obviously passionate about guns and the 2nd amendment. And pissed about all of the California BS gun and ammo laws.

We have enough challenges in this state with the ultra liberal politicians and all of the misinformed sheeple. No need to battle amongst ourselves. Hopefully Kes is able to get some legal feedback that makes him feel comfortable with re-opening the ammo sales section.
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I don't see how it's different than having the private gun sales forum. Both need to go to a FFL and both have the potential to facilitate illegal sales should the two parties involved choose to break the law.
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I don't see how it's different than having the private gun sales forum. Both need to go to a FFL and both have the potential to facilitate illegal sales should the two parties involved choose to break the law.
Ammo is not serial numbered, and there are no state records of who owns it. Simple answer, people will not risk underground firearm transactions, ammo is a different story.
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Ammo is not serial numbered, and there are no state records of who owns it. Simple answer, people will not risk underground firearm transactions, ammo is a different story.
Ammo is not serial numbered, and there are no state records of who owns it. Simple answer, people will not fewer people will risk underground firearm transactions, ammo is a different story.
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Ammo is not serial numbered, and there are no state records of who owns it. Simple answer, people will not fewer people will risk underground firearm transactions, ammo is a different story.
And this is the problem.
Many people WILL risk underground ammo transactions, and the forum could be considered to be complicit in this, exposing the owner to a potential lawsuit just as San Francisco threatened to file suit against vendors who shipped magazine rebuild kits.

It would have been the same story had Calguns been around in 1991 when private party transfers were required to go through an FFL.
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Calguns should keep the private ammo sales forum open for those that want to defy the current un- reasonable ammo restrictions.

Let private parties decide weather or not they want to meet and trade ammo between themselves.

Clearly, these restrictions on private sales are a fifth amendment violation and will be overturned. Calgun should not be aiding the state in commiting these fifth “91amendment violations.

Additionaly, these restrictions are a direct assault on the second amendment rights of kalifornians and calgun should not be taking the side of the state in this battle.

Americans defy ridiculous government edicts and they always have. Are we not Americans?

“Shall not be infringed” has a specific historic definition. I do not recognize any of californias BS restrictions on the supreme law of the land

Should Calgun be our nanny preventing us from “violating” stupid, unconstitutional, punative state edicts? Whose side is Calguns on?
All true, but putting aside any legal liability Calguns might have, keeping the ammo section open only aids and abets the apprehension and persecution of ammo free trade advocates. Taking it further, imagine the sting operations set up by CADOJ.
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And this is the problem.
Many people WILL risk underground ammo transactions, and the forum could be considered to be complicit in this, exposing the owner to a potential lawsuit just as San Francisco threatened to file suit against vendors who shipped magazine rebuild kits.

It would have been the same story had Calguns been around in 1991 when private party transfers were required to go through an FFL.
This already happens.... Look at the off roster guns from LEOs....
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Those are mostly legal sales
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Those are mostly legal sales
What the OP is suggesting is the same thing. You can buy a gun advertised on Cal Guns where you and seller agree to bypass FFL. No different from what the OP is saying. Ammo is the same as a gun except no waiting period. It seems weird to allow advertisement for private guns but not private ammo.
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Curious what research many of you did on OP to call him an "ammo flipper". If you look at his thread history, he has made 4 ammo sale threads in the past 3 years. If you look at his iTrader, he buys much much more than he sells. Probably 10 to 20 time more. I actually sold him some of my ammo back in 2012 and he was a nice guy. An avid shooter.

Many people on these boards are way to quick to judge or label someone. Sure, his posts on this subject were pretty extreme but he's obviously passionate about guns and the 2nd amendment. And pissed about all of the California BS gun and ammo laws.

We have enough challenges in this state with the ultra liberal politicians and all of the misinformed sheeple. No need to battle amongst ourselves. Hopefully Kes is able to get some legal feedback that makes him feel comfortable with re-opening the ammo sales section.
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“It’s time to take back our state”

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Should read “take a lesson from sites that have been allowing marijuana advertisement for years”. Leave it to the parties to work it out. No liability for an open forum.
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Should read “take a lesson from sites that have been allowing marijuana advertisement for years”. Leave it to the parties to work it out. No liability for an open forum.
Then open your own site since you believe there is no liability. No one is stopping you. Put your money where your mouth is.
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What the OP is suggesting is the same thing. You can buy a gun advertised on Cal Guns where you and seller agree to bypass FFL. No different from what the OP is saying. Ammo is the same as a gun except no waiting period. It seems weird to allow advertisement for private guns but not private ammo.
I suspect you didn't mean to say that.
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Then start a damn website of your own!

You're awfully eager to tell someone else to man up, I'm not seeing much fortitude on your own part.
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Not even remotely true... google "Righthaven" to see how much trouble even a rogue attorney can cause for small-business websites... now imagine if that was the CADOJ instead of a douchebag with a bluetooth...
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... Leave it to the parties to work it out. No liability for an open forum.
Wrong.. but I don't think you care about being correct.. so...

We're stilling waiting for the link to your CA ammo sales site? Or are you all talk and no action.. and certainly no willing to "fight now" for what YOU believe in?

lol.. I guy crying about fighting that's unwilling to fight by starting his own site to sell ammo and "stick it to the man"

Just wants others to assume any risk.. wow, what a fighter..
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Calguns should keep the private ammo sales forum open for those that want to defy the current un- reasonable ammo restrictions.

Let private parties decide weather or not they want to meet and trade ammo between themselves.

Clearly, these restrictions on private sales are a fifth amendment violation and will be overturned. Calgun should not be aiding the state in commiting these fifth “91amendment violations.

Additionaly, these restrictions are a direct assault on the second amendment rights of kalifornians and calgun should not be taking the side of the state in this battle.

Americans defy ridiculous government edicts and they always have. Are we not Americans?

“Shall not be infringed” has a specific historic definition. I do not recognize any of californias BS restrictions on the supreme law of the land

Should Calgun be our nanny preventing us from “violating” stupid, unconstitutional, punative state edicts? Whose side is Calguns on?
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OP, working yourself into an internet frenzy, and belittling members of this forum, whom you don't even know, is a trite and unproductive way to represent your point of view.
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I just guessing you piss off gun guys and non-gun guys alike.

Kinda like BLM or other liberal efforts that don't work.
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OP can go to hell, he just wants money and never gave a damn about the current state of things. Nothing more than a parasite.

To add my opinion: CG is caught between a rock and a hard place. They don't want to give in but if they get in trouble for harboring anything remotely illegal or unlicensed, this is the kind of thing that can have this whole forum shut down by their hosting company. And it's already been said: The leeches like OP won't be there to contribute one dime to their defense.
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I stocked up for years - for a time like this...

Alas, I'm sitting on a stockpile in a land where it isn't really needed

My plan would have worked perfectly had I not been fortunate enough to move. Oh well, I'll find something to do with all this pesky ammo
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I stocked up for years - for a time like this...

Alas, I'm sitting on a stockpile in a land where it isn't really needed

My plan would have worked perfectly had I not been fortunate enough to move. Oh well, I'll find something to do with all this pesky ammo
I've been looking into the same fix for Ca's gun problem. Still trying to find the perfect spot where I can shoot on the property but is also within reasonable distance of a city to work in. Areas near I17 hold some promise, but the research is still in early stages.
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My suggestion is this, if you’re gonna buy ammo face to face, and flaunt the law, don’t buy from some blow hard jackass.

Pro tip: if you’re gonna break the law, leave the loud mouth out of the plan.
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Old 01-25-2018, 7:41 PM
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OP can go to hell, he just wants money and never gave a damn about the current state of things. Nothing more than a parasite.

To add my opinion: CG is caught between a rock and a hard place. They don't want to give in but if they get in trouble for harboring anything remotely illegal or unlicensed, this is the kind of thing that can have this whole forum shut down by their hosting company. And it's already been said: The leeches like OP won't be there to contribute one dime to their defense.
Gonna' ignore OP's business here as you bring up a damn good point.

I've been here since the beginning pre-Kes. This board has always had the philosophy of staying on the conservative side of legal in following both federal and state gun laws.

That said, no matter what the marketplace, it ends up as whatever buyer and seller agree upon, here, no matter if it's a firearm or ammo.

There seems to me to be NO way to prevent buyer and seller, say, avoiding an ffl on a gun deal, or an ammo dealer for ammo.

So, why does Calguns.net have a marketplace where firearms can be bought, sold, and/or traded, and at the same time has closed down the ammo area?

Inquiring minds, etc.
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