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Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles. |
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Ok. Done. What's your point?
FWIW I was responding to your contention (which I quoted) that the Garand was somehow superior to the carbine. It's not, for the reasons I outlined in my response. They should both be considered prized possessions for the above referenced reasons & the fact that they are (the OP's) family heirlooms. I own one of each. For all I know they could have been used by a brave G.I. To smoke a Nazi/Commie. They are both Bad-assed battle implements I will proudly pass on to my boys.
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well put!
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Looking through the posts, I did not see anything about this.
EDIT: Okay, I was wrong. Some did mention the adjustable plug. If you get the Garand, Do NOT shoot commercial 30-06 through it. You will bend the op rod. Military 30-06 is loaded to a lower pressure. To get around this, you can do two things. Get military ammo. I don't know if the CMP/DCM still offers it or get an adjustable valve where you can vent some of the excess gas. They are available through most of the shooting suppliers like Brownells and Midway. After you've played around with the Garand, then consider an M1A. Last edited by rds95991; 01-21-2018 at 8:07 AM.. |
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^^^ FUD
you're just repeating something you read on the interwebz. there is zero evidence that U.S. manufactured 150 gr FMJ commercial ammo has ever bent a Garand oprod. if you have such evidence, produce it.
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Both are fun shooters. 2 different beasts. The garand is much heavier, and a larger gun to handle. Being hefty the recoil is very tame, yet the round is quite powerful.
M1 carbine is a super fun plinker. Its like shooting a 9mm carbine, but a bit faster round. Light, more compact, can carry it all day and not feel it. Magazines make things simple, and can be taken apart with a flat head screw driver in seconds What are your plans? Both ammo is easy to find, both guns are easy to find. You can get nice rebuilt carbines with original parts (may be mixed but who cares if you are not a serious collector) all day at gun shows from old dudes for around $900 bucks. Nice clean ww2/korean SA m1 garands go all day at auctions here in orange county for like $700 - $1100. Either one is not hard to find unlike a lot of people are saying. If you get one or the other, and plan on buying one later somewhere, dont buy a commercial modern made one (like the garbage modern "inland mfg"). They are nowhere near as good as a real USGI, and often have issues running correctly.
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One of these guns is a smaller, cheaper imitation of the other. The other one is "The greatest battle implement ever devised". If all things considered are equal, go with the Garand..... and never look back.
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Good point, Eatdirt!!! Check out the make of those rifles and compare serials on them too. You can date them very easily online and find out that way which is more valuable. Personally, the Garand is the king IMO. Speaking from experience with both, the Garand will most likely run better than the carbine. They just generally do. Carbines can be quite finicky. Unless you've had them both out to the range and know which one is more reliable.
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M1 Carbine. It is an awesome house weapon. 1990 fps with 900 ft lbs. My dad fought with an M1 Carbine on Iwo Jima and said "It never failed me." I took a 200 lb Blacktail deer ta 97 long paces with a single heart/lung shot using R-P 110 JSP. Audie Murphy used one to earn his Medal of Honor, as did Ola Mize in the Korean War. Ammo is cheaper than 3006, too.
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Garand for sure.
Garand plus an adjustable gas block so you can shoot modern 30-06. They are great fun at the range and you can shoot damn far with one. Take notes on how many clicks per yard and it will be one great rifle. Of course the correct answer is, get whichever is in better condition or whichever is more expensive. You could probably swap a carbine for a garand, but I think the garand is a better rifle over all. I haven't see a good carbine for sale in a long time, just the modern junk receiver based ones. Not sure where people are finding them all day long. The garand is more fun to shoot at the range though, I can tell you that. Last edited by Justintoxicated; 01-22-2018 at 8:04 AM.. |
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The two major problems encountered are magazine springs installed backwards, and aftermarket magazines. I use only USGI, and never have issues. Also, if you check your recoil spring, it needs to be between 10 1/8" and 10 1/4". Many have degraded springs after 70 years that are 9.75" and don't cycle. Also Aguila ammunition is about 150-200 fps or more underpowered, and does not always function well. Wolf steel case DOES eat extractors. That is personal experience, not myth. I have been using and shooting M1 carbines since I was 10 (and I am 65). I have continuously had a USGI M1 carbine of some flavor since about 1983, and used one as a LEO trunk weapon. I was also a LEO armorer, and did work on M1 Carbines, among the standard issue weapons. Last edited by imarangemaster; 01-22-2018 at 5:40 PM.. |
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if you have access to an outdoor range go with the garand, if not the carbine is better for most purposes under 100 yds
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I got a ww2 carbine back in the 90's for $200 love that rifle
picked up a garand a little over a year ago......another love how about the best of both worlds an m1-a
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I'd love to get my hands on a box of Carbine parts. If you can read, and have internet, you can assemble a functioning Carbine from a good barreled receiver . Most complete rifles and BRs that are sold by private party on CMP Forum are known good, sometimes original condition rifles. Somebody selling cobbled together junk would be blacklisted quick in that community. "import parts" is a misnomer. It's not like the parts are from China. look up Bavarian Carbine. I have a late war Inland brought back through Arlington Ordnance. Original barrel-crisp shiny bore. original (to the best of my knowledge) stock. absolutely beautiful little rifle that functions flawlessly. The import mark is so small, you'd think it was a tiny scratch. Of course, it was not as cheap to own as a home build AR, but to hold and fire a piece of history is worth every penny I spent. As far as the mags go, pro mags work nice, and Fulton sells blocked 10/15s that seem to work as well. Someday, I'm gonna leave this gulag and own one of these... Last edited by seabee1; 01-27-2018 at 11:52 PM.. |
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Collect the whole set...
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M1 Carbine for indoor range use, although they are like Lays where you can't have just one. I'd like a M1 Carbine, M1 Garand, and M1A before Governor Newsom bans them.
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UPDATE......Garand it is!
Went to my mom's house today and discovered that the Carbine was gone. My dad either sold it or gifted it before he passed so my decision is easy. The Garand looks pretty good. Springfield Armory S/N 142xxx from March, 1943 |
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That's part of a completely different set.
The four I mentioned are all gas operated autoloaders with a rotary bolt that covers the top of the action when it's in battery.
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Needs another x for 1943. I have a Springfield with 1429xxx from March 1943.
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Congrats on getting a Garand! My most favorite rifle to shoot, cuz I can actually hit what I aim at!
Barrel date and photos would be nice if you ever get the chance! |
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Sure, I know that. was just thinking how milsurps and the bug to have more gets us. That's a rifle I never gave much thought to, until I got a Garand.
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And once your start reloading for the garand, the 1903a3 makes even more sense. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk |
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It's a much deeper hole than garands and carbines...
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Does he have receivers not marked M2? Could sell those with or without barrels and make some sweet carbines. no approval needed.
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