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AR15 on LEO Motorcycle
Per my buddy at Echo Arms, spotted this the other day during lunch in Tustin/Irvine, motorcycle LEO with an AR15 or M16 as they couldn't tell if it had a fun button.
Now I have seen shotguns, but never this. Interesting enough to share to say the least and packing some serious heat for traffic enforcement in Tustin.
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Biden would say the officer is under gunned now. Should go back to the shotgun.
lol.
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A negligent discharge (very unlikely to happen, but you never know) on the one pictured above would not be desirable!
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It's for the children. I walked by a similar setup one time(can't remember the city) and the device they used to secure it to the bike would still allow access to eject and remove the mag
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I saw the exact same thing driving on the freeway in Sacramento a while back.
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Yup, I know the rider, used to be a neighbor.
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I live in Thousand Oaks, I have seen them. Definitely an SBR, short barrel, collapsible stock with high cap mag (Pmag?) and what looks like a red dot sight. They're mounted in some metal lock device that blocks access to the trigger, maybe also the mag release. Someone with a screwdriver could make off with the red dot pretty quick though. They should probably switch to torx or something.
I wondered why they would need such things in this quiet little city. But I remembered that there are more than the average number of bank robberies around here (easy freeway access). So if they can have these SBRs to defend themselves, why can't we? Last edited by longhairchris; 02-28-2013 at 3:33 PM.. |
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They don't make contact with the public without having some type of firearm. If it is not safe for them to approach a driver along the side of the road unarmed how is it safe for me to do so to exchange information if need be?
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Don't start that debate, Chris. Ha. But yes, I agree.
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So he's pretty much muzzling his right leg for his whole shift.
That would look pretty good on my ATC while I'm riding the dunes.
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Sac Police BMW Motorcycles have an AR-15 with what looks like a 10 round magazine with the barrel pointed downward. This all stemmed from the Hollywood Bank Robbery Shooting where the cops were unable to take down the perps until they got more firepower.
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The BMW mount is pretty slick. It covers the controls, the port, and the mag. There is also a manual key lock and a slick remote release with timer. Many small departments don't have an abundance of personell so a Motor may be on SWAT or part of another unit, or he or she may be working traffic one minute and the next call may be something requiring more firepower. Madera PD just adapted the BMW mount to one of their HD Motors as the M4 mount in the first picture was deemed hideous. After testing, they will likely fit the other HD's with the BMW Mount. There is (or was) one Fresno area Dept. that has an 870 mounted on one side and an M4 on the other, both mounted vertically on the clean BMW PD mount. This was the Motor Sergeants bike. The standard units just had 870's. Useless trivia, sorry.
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complete fail there....who ever trained her needs their cert pulled. That weapon has no business in her duties... she would be better off carrying a M82...
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Why? As a cop, I'm all for an effective means to increase firepower. That 4.6mm round will penetrate body armor. Is similar in capability to .223/5.56. Motor Officers dont have a whole lotta room to carry a battle rifle. The MP7 can fit in a Motorcycle saddlebag/ remain out of view of the public, be protected from the elements, but still be put into service at a moments notice. Why is that a bad thing?
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That firearm/weapon has almost NO advantage over a 5.56 or 7.62 carbine and doesnt have any similar capability as you state. If you think that then you should have no problem with her carrying a M82A1 then... as I first said. Doesn't a 50 cal have the power to defeat body armor...... isnt the M82A1 semiauto just like an AR15... Whats the effective range of that weapon? Can she hit a target 100 yards away who is taking cover? Whats the accuracy of that weapon past 100 yards? Does that weapon give her an advantage over a threat who is using a carbine at a range greater then 50 yards...say 250 yards away behind a car...NO! Is her job to clear rooms? She has nearly no chance of hitting a target that far and the threat has a greater chance to hit her since she has to expose herself to the threat with any firearm...this is why she is deploying a primary weapon system above a sidearm.... and thats her choice Please explain the situation that she is in where that weapon is necessary AND is advisable over an AR15 carbine/SBR. This isnt Israel. Our LEO have specific requirements in their jobs and duties. That weapon choice will get her killed in a situation where she needs to deploy a primary weapon system over a sidearm. Whoever trained her is a freaking idiot if she thinks that weapon system is acceptable. Its not her fault...its her departments trainer at fault. She is canon-fodder with that firearm....she's a noise maker distracting the threat at best. If that weapon is useful, then her sidearm is aswell. Sure it has a longer range and hits a bit harder then a sidearm...but its a baby step over a sidearm. Its specific use is for tight close quarters fighting inside a building, room by room clearing. |
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Anyone who has used a SMG or pistol caliber carbine can tell you how much easier it is to quickly get hits on target compared to a pistol.
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Correct and as a sidearm they are superior to a pistol which is why they are used as sidearms by Israeli LEO. We do not equip them that way. SMGs are not a proper transitional firearm from a pistol to longarm. Its a baby step that is not needed in that way. If she is in a situation requiring more power then a pistol sidearm, she needs a SBR, not an SMG. |
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I never realized you need to be slung with an mp7 to direct traffic....Police state anyone???...I wonder if terrorist are going to attack leo's after an incident while they're directing/controlling traffic.........Straight up abusive show of authority......Comes right back to police state and militarization of public servants.
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Educate yourself before you pop off, you won't look quite so foolish. That photo was during an active shooter incident. The Cupertino Quarry shooting from a year or so ago. Shot 9 people, killing three. Shot someone else while carjacking them. He fled on foot into a neighborhood. It took nearly a day to locate him. He used an "AR15, AK47, Glock 9mm and shotgun". They were searching for him in an urban setting. He clearly had no problem murdering people. You still think the officers should still use nothing more than a sidearm? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino_quarry_shooting
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I think someone's jealous the lady cop has a better gun than him. And you're sure she's directing traffic how? Maybe she's pointing that the shooter is that way. Or the CP is that way. Or officer X went that way or... And even if she was directing traffic at a call for a man with a gun in the area, so what? Who's to say the bad guy won't pop out from behind the bushes directly near her. The guys below are directing traffic. No one questioned their need for their rifles. It's amazing how many people can get worked up from one pic. |
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I think the compact and deployable choice of an MP7 makes more sense for a motorcycle officer, however, the unique caliber does not. I would also assume that any situation (hostage crisis, bank robbery) where the target is out to 100 yrds & beyond usually involves a designated department marksman with the appropriate firearm, a scoped rifle in 308. However, most police engagements that involve a firearm unfold rapidly and chaotically, close quarters, more commonly when answering calls with domestic disputes (?), so the necessity of an AR is unusual. Recent events would presumably favor of LEOs carrying ARs, however, look at how LEOs reacted to unconfirmed suspected vehicles! Zero accountability and restraint, they became just as much of a threat as the man (we all know who he was) who was threatening them. My point, I hope these guys and gals in uniform are being trained well. Spray and pray with overwhelming fire power (your best defense is superior offense) usually seems to be the instinctual reaction, contrary to training, in most LEO confrontations that involve firearms. What is the collateral damage that will result with ARs now being the go to PD firearm? Time will tell. In San Diego a couple years back, LEO arrived on scene with ARs, two officers, two ARs, suspect was armed with a shotgun and the officers had been alerted that he had killed his neighbors after years of feuding. As I recall, they fired approx 30 rnds, mortally wounding the suspect. Do not recall how many actually hit the suspect, but there were no reports of innocent citizens being harmed. Feel free to correct my version of teh story, it was a while back, but I was impressed by the fact LEOs were deploying with ARs to domestics. Feel free to educate me on LEO tactics and protocol, my assessment is merely assumption as opposed to actual field knowledge. Interesting subject, especially considering the current state of our Constitutional rights and the militarization of law enforcement agencies.
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All the motor cops in Palos Verders (uber rich city south of LA) have AR's on their bikes.
Nice ones too, rails, magpul etc.... At least as nice as mine. Semi Auto too. I always assumed it made sense, because they could get places faster than other second responders in cars. Most of the south bay cities have shotguns and AR's in car racks. I seem to recall the mount set up pointing the barrel at the back tire... Its been awhile since I've seen one. |
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very very few, but its possible. The idea here is an Officer needs to deploy a greater weapon system then a sidearm. That weapon system needs to be acceptable to the role they will provide.
LEO carry a sidearm as a primary weapon system for daily use in defense. They also need to carry an OFFENSIVE weapon system such as a carbine. Some carry defensive / Utility weapon systems like shotguns and sniper rifles since their duties and roles define those weapon systems as needed. The firearm she is deploying is not one in which a cycle officer will provide to the group. Its effectiveness is nearly zero for the situation where she will need a primary over a sidearm. Last edited by dieselpower; 03-01-2013 at 7:56 AM.. |
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