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It does not need to have a magazine in it, so my recommendation is to not have a magazine in it. Generally speaking, don't include anything in the photos besides the barebones firearm. The only exceptions I can think of are difficult-to-remove accessories (zeroed optics, muzzle devices, etc), and a tape measure if it's a bullpup where overall length might come into question.
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That said, there shouldn't be any issues if it has a magazine in it, especially if it's a native 10rd type. But blocked 10/20 or 10/30 magazines look an awful lot like actual 20/30rd magazines in photos, so best to not include those, to avoid raising any flags.
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That's good they didn't worry about it, but it's still a better idea to avoid the issue entirely by leaving out the mags - they aren't required for the pictures.
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No problem, doesn't meet the definition of a telescoping stock, so just leave that box unchecked.
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I'm not sure what to make of this... got my letter in the mail today, but the Tavor SAR and Galil Ace SAR rifles that I submitted with manufacturer IWI both have manufacturer as IMI on the letter. Anyone else get the same thing when submitting as Isreali Weapons Ind.?
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Finally we each got our letters listing rifles on which we are primary and coregistrants. We each took pictures of both letters to have on our phones just in case a new-age trained nervous cop has a problem with what we have in the locked trunk despite our innocuous appearances, and put the originals into a safe. Hopefully that is all we will need until the confiscation round-up is announced, for the children of course, leaving the older and weaker and arthritic disadvantaged. Sigh. It is times like this I am glad we have no kids. Best of luck to the remainder of you guys who are still struggling with registration.
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Just sent in my registration for my only two BB'd rifles. Since these were already bought post 2014, the DOJ already bent me backwards so might as well let them get on with it. Jesus, I only hope I can register within the time frame. I don't want to end up having to turn them into the Police.
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I think these new laws have you unnecessarily scared. The laws suck, but nobody is going to make you turn anything in. Firstly, you sent in your registration 2.5 months before the deadline, so you're fine. By all indications, DOJ will process all apps they receive before the deadline. As long as you watch your email inbox to make sure you address within 30 days any clarifications they request, they shouldn't cancel your application even if the deadline lapses before they complete the process on their end. Secondly, worst case scenario, if for some reason your rifles don't get registered, there are countless other options available besides turning them in to the police. A simple conversion to a fixed magazine or featureless rifle would suffice.
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Via email I asked if a CCW number should be used in the FSC cell. They told me to leave it blank. “If applicable, provide either the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) Number or the Firearm Safety Certificate (FSC) Number. If you do not have those numbers, it is not necessary to list anything. You may reference the instructions document attached to this email. Regards, DOJ SERIAL NUMBER Bureau of Firearms – AWR Division of Law Enforcement” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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UPDATE: as per USPS Informed Delivery, I should be receiving my letter today 4/16. The letter is dated 4/12/18. Exactly 12 weeks since registering. 20 weeks since requesting a serial number.
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The 2 month wait for the serials seems pretty typical. |
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The only back and forth I had was for my 80% with FMBUS serial they wanted me to add “MAKE: First Name Last Name” into the comments. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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On that note... It's possible (with 10 weeks left now) that we've passed the point where most people who submit apps that include anything besides vanilla AR's will get their letters before the deadline. Which is why I'll reiterate my suggestions, for any lurkers reading this who are still procrastinating:
Yes, it sucks paying the extortion fee 2 or 3 times instead of just once... consider that the cost of putting it off for too long. To me, it's worth the additional fees to ensure that at least some of the firearms I intend to register get done before the deadline. I'm sure there are still people out there who haven't yet requested serial number that they need for 80% builds, and are thinking about waiting until they get those before registering all of their firearms together. That would be a very, very risky plan, in my opinion. If you're waiting to see the outcome of the pending court cases involving Assault Weapons - don't. It's highly unlikely that we'll see any action with those before the deadline. A final note: After you submit an application, check your email inbox and spam folder regularly - DOJ will email you if they need any further info or clarification from you, and they will NOT process your app until you reply, they will NOT send you the email twice, and they WILL cancel your app entirely if you do not respond within 30 days.
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Made my submissions about a month ago. I got confirmation email for 1 of the submissions and incompletes for the rest. The only issues for the incompletes are that my manufacturer needs to be changed. However, my manufacturer is not listed on the drop down tab.
And my emails went into my spam folder. Fortunately I have been checking both regularly. It took them about a month to send these emails to me.
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Also a few additional notes to reiterate things we've learned in the last couple weeks:
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If any other firearms on your app didn't get the same email, though, they will wait to send your letter until they have all been approved. For example, I got that email for all but 1 of the firearms in my app. So I probably won't get my letter until whenever they approve the last one. I also plan to submit another batch of firearms again soon, but that batch won't delay my getting an approval letter for the first batch.
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I read the other thread with rejections and one of them was a rifle that was done through a PPT. The person put it as acquired from an FFL and the DOJ kicked it back saying it was a PPT and wanted the sellers information.
I listed the FFL since my original DROS does not have the sellers information on it. Damn, I hope it doesn't get kicked back. But what I am wondering is if you select this field, wouldn't it be as if you are saying you bought the weapon without an FFL? Because when you select the "private party" option, it does not have a field for the FFLs information. |
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Yea, on my DROS form it says PPT but it does not have the sellers information. I called the FFL I did the PPT and they said they'll give me the information if the DOJ requests it.
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Keep us posted, if I need to revise the guide where it recommends to use the FFL info for PPT acquisitions, it would be good to revise it asap before the flood of last-minute people start registering. I don't want to change it based on the one person's experience, but if multiple people run into the same issue then I'll need to revise it. Thanks |
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So the saga continues, as expected really and I for better or worse decided to play with the system just to see what happens.
A week or so after submitting the photos of the barrel showing the caliber stamp since the lower is not marked as "multi-caliber" I just got the kick back as incomplete and a request to update my application to reflect the caliber on the barrel. I opted to instead ask why and explain that a barrel or an upper are not defined as a firearm and that the lower, the actual firearm is multi caliber therefore submitting an application for the 716 as a .308 would be incorrect. I have zero doubt this will get kicked back but I am curious to see their explanation. It is fairly meaningless but on the off chance some day in the future someone looks at my Sig and my paperwork and wants to make a case that it is not legal with a different upper it could be problematical.
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I have not yet heard of anyone running into major issues with pistol registrations. Mostly just hickups involving the "features" they selected - be sure to check both "second handgrip" and "barrel shroud", otherwise they'll kick the application back to you and make you check both. It's recommended that you remove any brace (if it has one) for the photos, to avoid confusing whoever processes your app. Also, make sure it: -has a bullet button -isn't built on a receiver that was ever DROS'd as a rifle receiver -doesn't have a forward pistol grip (unless it's an NFA registered AOW. If you don't know what that means, then it definitely isn't one.) -has a DOJ-issued serial number engraved on it, unless it has a factory serial number and was DROS'd as a pistol.
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I recommend, as is suggested in the Guide as well, to pick .308 from the caliber list, and then write in the Comments section "Barrels are interchangeable with other calibers." The comments don't show up on the final registration letter, and I have no idea if they get stored in their "system" or not, but they WILL be on your registration submission confirmation page, which I recommend everyone always print and retain for their own records.
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I knew it was futile but I did want to push just to see what they would come back with.
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They didn't put your name as the manufacturer, they put United States instead?
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I haven't registered my home builds yet. Curious if others' letters say the same thing?
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“We the People...” although contradicting since you are supposed to complete your 80% on your own. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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April 5, Submitted online application for several rifles. April 6, received the submission confirmation e mail. April 11 is the date printed on my approval letter and their postal meter date. April 12 is the postmark date April 14, approval letter received in Southern California April 16, submitted some additional rifles April 17, received the confirmation e mail. Everything is still showing in progress on the website. Even those already approved. I made sure to take very clear and well lit photos on a neutral background. Since I have lowers marked Multi, and have to select interchangeable barrels. I made sure to add a comment saying interchangeable barrels and listed the caliber of the attached barrel. I did not send barrel stamp photos. |
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9 days total, that's the fastest one I've seen so far. I'm guessing they were all basic AR rifles?
Seems to also confirm what I suspected - that the individual "submission confirmation" emails saying they'll notify you of your results via US Mail are essentially approval emails.
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United States is what the approval letter says is the make of my 80% that they made me engrave my name on as "make"
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