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One main difference is that most religions you have to work and obtain the Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc to get to the higher or heavenly state.
In Christianity, the salvation state is an accepted gift of love that is given by God, but not deserved or worked for in which Jesus, his son took on the punishment as the ultimate blood sacrifice to atone for our bad behavior, so we could have a relationship with God.
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One main difference is that most religions you have to work and obtain the Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc to get to the higher or heavenly state.
In Christianity, the salvation state is an accepted gift of love that is given by God, but not deserved or worked for in which Jesus, his son took on the punishment as the ultimate blood sacrifice to atone for our bad behavior, so we could have a relationship with God.
So your saying that there is a similarity in Buddhism, Christianity, Judiasim, Islam and other faiths....that they all propose that you go to a higher state as long as you believe and have faith in your religion.

I think I got that right...
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So your saying that there is a similarity in Buddhism, Christianity, Judiasim, Islam and other faiths....that they all propose that you go to a higher state as long as you believe and have faith in your religion.

I think I got that right...
No, he is saying that all other religions require you to put a bit of work in to reach salvation. Christianity is "special" because you don't have to do a thing. Just for being alive You deserve eternal punishment because you are a sinner and all that jazz, but if you accept Jesus you get salvation free of charge because Jesus paid your bill.
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No, he is saying that all other religions require you to put a bit of work in to reach salvation. Christianity is "special" because you don't have to do a thing. Just for being alive You deserve eternal punishment because you are a sinner and all that jazz, but if you accept Jesus you get salvation free of charge because Jesus paid your bill.
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I see two interesting pieces. One, Jesus as the man, who was a teacher and figure of a new movement against the established religion. And Two, Jesus as the incarnate God who came to personally deliver the will of the Creator.

If Jesus were just a radical religious zealot who changed the status quo, given his time and place and documented history, it is very unlikely he knew anything about Buddha or his teachings. Not impossible, but unlikely.

If Jesus was indeed God incarnate, of course he was aware of Buddha, but being God incarnate, those ideas would have had zero effect on His message. Yes, there are similarities, but they come from very different foundations.

Believe what you will. The Bible does not include those 'lost years of Jesus' life' because they are not relevant to the message. Nothing is not given that is needed.

Its fun to speculate, but in the end there are few ideas that make sense.

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So seeing as we are playing a game about Christ and what he could have been and what he would have learned from budda. Lets change this a bit and throw in what budda may have learned from satan.

As satan believes in God and Christ, then I must believe in satan's existence. Would it be plausible that satan would teach near the same things that Christ taught, but without the acknowledgement of God to budda? All that satan needs to do is corrupt God word slightly. Is it possible budda was influenced by the devil? To teach peace without God is to not truly know peace.
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So seeing as we are playing a game about Christ and what he could have been and what he would have learned from budda. Lets change this a bit and throw in what budda may have learned from satan.

As satan believes in God and Christ, then I must believe in satan's existence. Would it be plausible that satan would teach near the same things that Christ taught, but without the acknowledgement of God to budda? All that satan needs to do is corrupt God word slightly. Is it possible budda was influenced by the devil? To teach peace without God is to not truly know peace.

so the devil knew exactly what god was gonna teach, instead of putting in work where god was going to teach to impact the people he was going to lead, the devil goes all the way out to india and nepal to mess with the Hindus long before jesus is ever born. not logical at all.

oh according to your bible god hardened the heart of the pharaoh then killed a sh*t load of egyption kids because the pharaoh did exactly what god wanted him to do by refusing to free the israelites. not super peaceful if ya ask me.
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Rumor was he traveled with his uncle Joseph of Aramathea a tin trader into europe and england
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so the devil knew exactly what god was gonna teach, instead of putting in work where god was going to teach to impact the people he was going to lead, the devil goes all the way out to india and nepal to mess with the Hindus long before jesus is ever born. not logical at all.
I know right? Pretty illogical. About as illogical as folks proposing that budda influenced God incarnate (Christ). So yes, we agree on something.
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Hey-y-y-y Bill,
Still wondering which Bible you make references to.
The question comes from Post#32.
Maybe you missed it.
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OK, I assume you are referring to Post #6 when you said:

"Luke 2:41-52 tell the story of his trip to Jerusalem for the Passover when He was 12. His parents went every year, so they didn't go anywhere either. And 2:51-52 says He returned and continued to grow up in Nazareth."

Which Bible are you getting that info?
Here is a link to a comparison of what several Bibles (5 of them) have in that Chapter/Verse of Luke2:51-52:
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None of them say he continued to grow up in Nazareth.

"And, remember 1 Cor. 4:6 - don't go beyond what is written in Scripture."
Sorry, my wife gave me her cold and I've been flat-out dead since Friday. Today's the first day I'm not sleeping until mid-afternoon. This one hit hard.

Yes, they say He continued to grow up in Nazareth BECAUSE Scripture (like any other book) is interpreted in context. If v.51 says He and his family returned to their home in Nazareth and V.52 says He grew up, then He grew up in Nazareth. Context and grammar rule in interpretation.

BUT, there's so much more in the totality of Christ's life and purpose.

First, in His first coming, He came to the Jews only. He makes this clear and the authors of the gospels make it clear (e.g. John 1:11). He didn't come to minister to the Gentiles (all non-Jews).

Second, in order for Him to perfectly fulfill the Law (Mosaic Law), He had to live under the law and never sin. He had to fulfill all the requirements of the Law with the feasts and sacrifices, etc. So, He to go Jerusalem several times a year to do so.

Third, others clearly witnessed to His being a hometown boy of Nazareth. Luke says "And He came to Nazareth, WHERE HE HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP" (emphasis mine):

Lk4:16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
Lk4:22 And all were speaking well of Him, and wondering at the gracious words which were falling from His lips; and they were saying, “Is this not Joseph’s son?” 23 And He said to them, “No doubt you will quote this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we heard was done at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’*” 24 And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.

So, He was brought up there, had to be under the law to fulfill the law without missing His responsibilities, came only to the Jews, not the Gentiles, etc. Read and the study the gospels.

I'm sure if I was feeling better, more obvious things would come to mind, but I have to get caught back up on other things. A nap first.

I saw your other post about similar teachings of Buddha. remember than everyone has a conscience (Romans 2:14-15). Written on the conscience is "the work of the Law." That says that God has written, the essence of His right and wrong, into everyone's conscience. So, everyone innately knows, and can therefore articulate many basic principles of God's righteousness. In addition, Moses lived almost a thousand years before Buddha. God gave him the Mosaic Law, and that was available for Buddha to learn from. Christ created Buddha. The Creator has nothing to learn from the created creature.

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First off, I'm a Buddhist and have been for most of my life. I like to read about other faiths and see how they are in line with my Buddhist way of life.

So...my thought....
Its well documented about Jesus' early years, but there is a time frame that he was gone.
Are you acknowledging that Jesus was a real historical figure? If so, the important question is whether you believe that he came back to life, which has implications on your eternal future.
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What's so earth-shattering about that?
If Obama told his daughters 10 years ago to follow instructions in class and I told my daughters the same thing yesterday, THAT somehow means I borrowed parenting wisdom from Obama and that makes me a liberal?

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Here is interesting little tidbit...

Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Keep in mind that the Buddha lived about 250 years prior to Jesus. I think it is not that unusual for the Buddha to come up with his teaching. Both Jesus and Buddha could have certainly come up with the same teaching without being taught themselves.
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Turnin the other cheek
Buddha
"If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." (Majjhima Nikaya 21:6)
Jesus
"If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." (Luke 6:29)


Helping others is cool
Buddha
"If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." (Vinaya, Mahavagga 8:26.3)
Jesus
"Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." (Matthew 25:45)

Rich people ain't so cool
Buddha
"Let us live most happily, possessing nothing." (Dhammapada 15:4)
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“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." (Luke 6:20)
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I think this sums it up pretty well.
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I think this sums it up pretty well.
Pretty good read.
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Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Hillel 110 BC
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn"
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Several posters are commenting on the Golden Rule similarity between Christ, Buddha, Hillel, etc.

The author of the Golden Rule is God, Himself. He gave to Moses directly in the Law and made sure we'd remember it came from Him. Since Moses died about 1400 BC, the writing down of the Mosaic Law came before then.

Lev. 19:18 ‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.

And, remember this is positively stated. Many/most of the others are the negation, which is not the same. The original Buddha version is the negation.

God, Himself, is truth. Every time He speaks,He speaks the truth. No one else can speak truth unless they borrow it from God. He is Creator and created creatures can't know truth unless it's revealed to them by God.
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Several posters are commenting on the Golden Rule similarity between Christ, Buddha, Hillel, etc.

The author of the Golden Rule is God, Himself. He gave to Moses directly in the Law and made sure we'd remember it came from Him. Since Moses died about 1400 BC, the writing down of the Mosaic Law came before then.

Lev. 19:18 ‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.

And, remember this is positively stated. Many/most of the others are the negation, which is not the same. The original Buddha version is the negation.

God, Himself, is truth. Every time He speaks,He speaks the truth. No one else can speak truth unless they borrow it from God. He is Creator and created creatures can't know truth unless it's revealed to them by God.
Your posts certainly are derived from your faith in the bible.
I too have faith in the teachings of the Buddha.
We are both different but we both have faith.
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One main difference is that most religions you have to work and obtain the Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc to get to the higher or heavenly state.
All you have to say is Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.


























































You are now going to nirvana, just by saying it or saying it in your mind.
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