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I havenít been to front site in a while and heard that they improved the camping situation outside the front gates. Is this a true statement?
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I havenít been to front site in a while and heard that they improved the camping situation outside the front gates. Is this a true statement?
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I havenít been to front site in a while and heard that they improved the camping situation outside the front gates. Is this a true statement?
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Doing the 4 day DHG course next week (4-16) with a friend from Florida - anyone else going to be out there?
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Recently took a 4DDH class and was surprised the first day to find the ground littered with brass at the start of the class. Over the 4 days it appeared that no one picked up. I thought this was a big revenue stream for Front Sight.
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Recently took a 4DDH class and was surprised the first day to find the ground littered with brass at the start of the class. Over the 4 days it appeared that no one picked up. I thought this was a big revenue stream for Front Sight.
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Recently took a 4DDH class and was surprised the first day to find the ground littered with brass at the start of the class. Over the 4 days it appeared that no one picked up. I thought this was a big revenue stream for Front Sight.
Usually the brass guys are out there during the middle of week, it’s three guys that I’ve seen picking it up by hand and only the brass gets picked up. The aluminum and steel cases stuff gets left. If it was a huge weekend they’re probably a bit behind schedule.
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Yeah they usually come out after day 2 when classes get moved to phase 2 or phase 3 Ranges.
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Funny you brought this up. I collect range brass for reloading. I use a nut rake and pick up everything. So I sort out the aluminum cases stuff and run a magnet over the rest for steel cases. Low and behold Iím gettin brass cases on the magnet. Turns out that thereís a few companies using brass as well as cadmium plated steel cases. Threw me for a loop for a second.
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I havenít been to front site in a while and heard that they improved the camping situation outside the front gates. Is this a true statement?
No change to the camping situation. Lot outside the gate. Would consider camping if they had a shower available. Saw one guy in a four day camp in a tent with his family. Bet he was nice to line up next to on day four in 90* heat...
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Had a guy torch off a round outside the front gate before day 1.
Round went through the car and into the berm next to the camp site.

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Had a guy torch off a round outside the front gate before day 1.
Round went through the car and into the berm next to the camp site.

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Had a guy torch off a round outside the front gate before day 1.
Round went through the car and into the berm next to the camp site.

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Wow. Uh. Iím surprised we donít hear more about this kind of thing happening.
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Gone are the days when Front Sight used to repeat the same stale stories over and over again during orientation. We all remember the story about the guy who blew up his Glock, then the school's rental Glock, with his own reloaded ammo "just a few weeks ago" ...
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Why repeat the same old stories when new ones are being created everyday!!
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The wife and me. And my brother from TX, and a buddy from Eley. Both classes.

That reminds me, I need elbow/forearm pads for her.
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Both. Plus a private focused on TH.
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Haven't been to Front Sight in almost 2-years now (dang! how fast time flies)... Really want to go, and go the full 4-days...

The concern is that during the past many months, I got so used to the Isosceles Stance. I would remember that FS teaches Weaver. Would this be a problem?


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The concern is that during the past many months, I got so used to the Isosceles Stance. I would remember that FS teaches Weaver. Would this be a problem?


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Nah. I shoot in a modified isosceles. Never been an issue.
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As long as youíre doing ok and safe, they leave you alone. If youíre struggling, their help comes in the weaver flavor.
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Nah. I shoot in a modified isosceles. Never been an issue.
Finishing up the 4 day HG tomorrow.

I gave weaver a chance for a day. I just couldn't do it well.

Day 2 I changed back, and they didn't really bother me trying to correct my stance once they saw my targets got better.

One of the instructors that joined us today was trying to correct me and I told him I wasn't shooting weaver, he told me to make sure my hands were doing the correct thing for iso and didn't bother trying to correct my stance again.

TL;DR- Others might be different, but my instructors have been cool with it.
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I understand why they teach weaver and how it transitions well to long guns. Thing is in the rifle class I just took later in the course I found I was shooting better when I started to square up more than a strong weaver stance. Found I was better able to control recoil with some fair quick splits between shots.
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I understand why they teach weaver and how it transitions well to long guns. Thing is in the rifle class I just took later in the course I found I was shooting better when I started to square up more than a strong weaver stance. Found I was better able to control recoil with some fair quick splits between shots.
I've never seen anyone teach a 'strong weaver stance' for any long gun class at FS.
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I understand why they teach weaver and how it transitions well to long guns. Thing is in the rifle class I just took later in the course I found I was shooting better when I started to square up more than a strong weaver stance. Found I was better able to control recoil with some fair quick splits between shots.
The benefit of "it's better for transitions" was brought up, but I was also taught to square up to the target, given my training was as a Marine, and I'd be wearing a plate carrier.
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I don't think they do much with people and their shooting styles once you're past the 4/2 defensive handgun course. I don't remember anyone getting comments from instructors in the SB class about grip or stance.
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I don't think they do much with people and their shooting styles once you're past the 4/2 defensive handgun course. I don't remember anyone getting comments from instructors in the SB class about grip or stance.
Sure they do, especially with private training.

Thumbs high makes a lot more sense when you learn sul.
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Sure they do, especially with private training.

Thumbs high makes a lot more sense when you learn sul.
Know of any current Nationally or World ranked competitive shooters that use a thumbs high grip instead of thumbs forward?
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Know of any current Nationally or World ranked competitive shooters that use a thumbs high grip instead of thumbs forward?
Thumbs high vs thumbs forward??? I suspect they are the same thing.... Thumbs "high" along the frame / slide ....which means they are forward along the frame/slide unless you are a midget.. lol
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Iíve done a lot of research and practice both ways- one thumb over the other works best for me. Itís an older style so people tend to not like it now but it obviously used to work. It was also supposed to be better for defensive shooting and training yourself to go back and forth from auto and revolver to not burn your thumb.
But anyway Iím sure it will be argued forever like weaver and isosceles. I doubt it will be solved anytime soon
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Iíve done a lot of research and practice both ways- one thumb over the other works best for me. Itís an older style so people tend to not like it now but it obviously used to work. It was also supposed to be better for defensive shooting and training yourself to go back and forth from auto and revolver to not burn your thumb.
But anyway Iím sure it will be argued forever like weaver and isosceles. I doubt it will be solved anytime soon
Left thumb over right?? (assuming you are a right hander...)
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Left thumb over right?? (assuming you are a right hander...)


Yeah...
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Yeah...
Do you tend to shoot left of your point of aim? When you put your left thumb over your right... it lets your right thumb act as a spacer to keep your left palm from the left side of the grip. In fact little if any of you r left hand is on the gun, just your left fingers. Use this left over right thumb grip, then slowly take away your right hand without moving your left one millimeter and you will see my point. there will be no or very little left palm to grip contact at all. This uneven contact with the gun; total right palm contact and no left palm contact with the grip is a common cause of shooting left. it important that there be as much balance in contact between the left and right hand when shooting a handgun.
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Do you tend to shoot left of your point of aim? When you put your left thumb over your right... it lets your right thumb act as a spacer to keep your left palm from the left side of the grip. In fact little if any of you r left hand is on the gun, just your left fingers. Use this left over right thumb grip, then slowly take away your right hand without moving your left one millimeter and you will see my point. there will be no or very little left palm to grip contact at all. This uneven contact with the gun; total right palm contact and no left palm contact with the grip is a common cause of shooting left. it important that there be as much balance in contact between the left and right hand when shooting a handgun.


Thanks OC. Yeah Iíve been though lots of grip technique trades especially in the private HCM training. He actually noticed a link between my thumbs forward grip and an error in my shooting. I reverted back to crossed grip and it fixed that (off about a half inch at 5 yards- which is too much error at the 50)
His opinion was it works for a lot of people especially with high forearm and grip strength- akin to someone who can combat recoil with their stature alone vs leaning at the waist.
It makes physical sense to me that most of the recoil defense would be at the back and front of the grip to create a force couple. Gripping the sides would take a tremendous amount of force since itís only resisting through friction.
I do see your point about balanced normal forces on the sides to keep your left/right accurate. But for some reason I was having the opposite issue with that grip.
Iím always in the search for getting the best techniques I can so maybe Iíll try it again and see if I can troubleshoot.
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