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Old 07-30-2018, 10:41 AM
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I picked this one up from PSA just a couple of days ago. I had been checking their page for months and when it popped up I jumped on it. Good thing too, as it was sold out that day.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446935.html

For you guys doing the "conversion" kits on a 5.56/.223 upper thinking that you're in the clear and don't have to worry about features or the law, think again. The second you remove the bolt, even to clean it, you will have what is considered a "broken" assault weapon that will still be legally considered an AW. There is also the problem with "constructive possession", if you have other 5.56/.223 bolts available to place into the upper, along with a lower that has "features".

My solution is to use a dedicated .22lr upper, and pair it with a lower that cannot accept an upper with a bolt carrier group other than a .22lr one. I will accomplish this by filling the buffer tube with a plug and epoxy.
I do not believe CA has a constructive possession law on the books (notwithstanding Nuyen who freely admitted he intended to construct an AW).
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I hear that, but if accuracy was really not comparable to a 10/22, Sig522, or whatever... I'd opt to shoot one of those instead. I went with a CMMG dedicated lightweight upper on a complete poly lower. The New Frontier lower works great after replacing the trigger group with an old Busmaster group... but I will swap in a CMC or Hiperfire EDT3 sooner or later. I shoot that AR22 with a TRS-25 FWIW. It hits where I put the dot.

I looked long and hard at the conversion bolts before I put the AR22 together.
Your choice.

I didn't want a dedicated 22 upper or rifle.

Using a 223 upper w/the conversion kit gives me the option to shoot either 22 or 223 thru it by simply swaping out the BCG. The cost of the kit and mags is also cheaper and IMO easier to resell than a dedicated 22 upper or complete rifle.

Furthermore, from what I've seen/read on the Net, there is not that much loss in accuracy out to 100 yds shooting a 22 bullet out of a 223 barrel and and it is even less of an issue at 50 yds, which is as far as I plan to shoot it.
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I'm glad I came across this thread. I picked up one of the 22LR clearance Uppers from PSA with the phosphate bolt and a pair of blackdog mags for $300. I'm not even sure I want to do a 22LR build as the purchase was rather impulsive, but this thread makes me think these builds are worth it.

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Your choice.

I didn't want a dedicated 22 upper or rifle.
Agreed. Totally personal choice.

Yeah not arguing, but it is a forum where others are making up their minds too, so that's how I look at it. It is never just the OP getting one question answered, but whoever reads the thread.

My experience was that I wanted the correct barrel and twist for shooting .22 LR mini-mags or whatever, and I'd only use a polymer lower on a rimfire. It gave me an option to make a super light, accurate AR22, YMMV.
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Someone mentioned just get a 10-22 they work better. I own both types. That is a Nonsense statement. Whoever said this likely does not even have any experience with AR22s. Internet gets that way you know.

A good dedicated 22 AR upper will run 100%. Mine are well built and never, ever malfunction with good ammo. CCI is what I like best.

And the AR22s are alot more fun for some reason than a plain old 10-22 also.

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Someone mentioned just get a 10-22 they work better. I own both types. That is a Nonsense statement. Whoever said this likely does not even have any experience with AR22s. Internet gets that way you know.

A good dedicated 22 AR upper will run 100%. Mine are well built and never, ever malfunction with good ammo. CCI is what I like best.

And the AR22s are alot more fun for some reason than a plain old 10-22 also.



Train like you MEAN it. If a full-size AR is your go-to rifle, an AR in .22 makes a perfect trainer. AND, you have a spare lower that's GTG, if needed.
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I also have ARs in 5.56x45 and 7.62x39
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My upper came in. Bought a cheap CCOP mount and had an extra scope around. Stuck it on one of my AR lowers. Looks and feels good! I cycled some dummy rounds and the action seems good.

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When I build my lower, should I install the buffer retaining pin? Also should I get one of those rubber buffer plugs or just leave the buffer out? Or?

My upper has a plate on the back of it. Is this so I don't need that plug or what? Just trying to learn. Will be building out my lower tomorrow.

I will be using a psa moe lower build kit I got for $99

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When I build my lower, should I install the buffer retaining pin? Also should I get one of those rubber buffer plugs or just leave the buffer out? Or?

My upper has a plate on the back of it. Is this so I don't need that plug or what? Just trying to learn. Will be building out my lower tomorrow.

I will be using a psa moe lower build kit I got for $99
Im not sure what plate you're referring to... but in your picture, that simply looks like the back of the bolt. I would recommend you complete the lower as you would normally, so go ahead and install all of the pins, springs, etc. I recommend this because it allows you to use the pressure plug, which helps with overall reliability of the rifle. Simply install your carbine buffer spring but instead of using a standard 223/556 buffer, use the pressure plug. The pressure plug is made of Delrin, not rubber.
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When I build my lower, should I install the buffer retaining pin? Also should I get one of those rubber buffer plugs or just leave the buffer out? Or?

My upper has a plate on the back of it. Is this so I don't need that plug or what? Just trying to learn. Will be building out my lower tomorrow.

I will be using a psa moe lower build kit I got for $99


What brand upper are you using? Is the plate part of the bolt assembly or attached to the upper receiver?
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:06 PM
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it is a psa upper, it is part of the bolt, but I can't figure out how to remove the bolt if I ever need to

I did just order a plug from velocity firearms

I saw a video online where the plug goes in there, after the regular buffer [spring, buffer, then plug?]
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Old 08-05-2018, 5:56 PM
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Got my receiver out of jail! An Aero M4E1!!!

I like that I wont have to do any roll pins! I just need to hit up Lowe's and get a 4-40 grub screw and an Allen wrench set. I will do that today, after my massage.


Oh yeah, and shout out to UG Imports! They are awesome!
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The BCG doesn't come out with the charging handle like a standard 5.56 bolt would?
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Went the CMMG .22LR conversion route.
After a recent AR rebuild, had a .223/5.56 pencil barrel and handguard lying around so I decided just to have a dedicated upper for .22LR indoor range duty. Slapped on an old Vortex Strikefire red dot that was gathering dust. Shot it for the first time today and happy with it, wasn't too expensive and accurate enough for drills and plinking. Two failures to fully feed with fresh mags (most likely my fault as you need to let that charging handle snap as designed) but otherwise, it cycled reliably through a couple hundred rounds using CCI standard velocity ammo.

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Here is mine pretty much completed. A couple issues, how do you get the bolt out? I want to lube it. 4-40 set screw seems impossible to find, I may have to order it on Amazon. Do I have to remove my grip if I want to adjust the upper tension screw? I still need to tighten down the buffer.

I totally shot a detent and spring somewhere when putting in the pivot pin, good thing I had some extras in my tool bag.
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it is a psa upper, it is part of the bolt, but I can't figure out how to remove the bolt if I ever need to

I did just order a plug from velocity firearms

I saw a video online where the plug goes in there, after the regular buffer [spring, buffer, then plug?]
The .22LR BCG assembly does slide out, but PSA doesn't add lube after test-firing (what did you expect, it's PSA), so it may be a bit "sticky" the first time field stripping ... simply stick a screwdriver or hex wrench tip in that gap on the left side of your photo to pry the BCG out (while pulling out the charging handle latch).

I didn't use a buffer, buffer spring, or buffer retainer/spring for my dedicated rimfire lower; instead, I cut a length of cheap 1/2" PVC pipe from Home Depot, and fashioned a condom out of an old bicycle inner tube to provide a snug fit inside the buffer tube (also provides a bit of flex when the BCG plate butts up against it, like that commercial plug product). Cheap, and no spring rattle. Some other guys report using a simple wooden dowel, but wood is heavier and less-flexible.
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Went the CMMG .22LR conversion route.
After a recent AR rebuild, had a .223/5.56 pencil barrel and handguard lying around so I decided just to have a dedicated upper for .22LR indoor range duty. Slapped on an old Vortex Strikefire red dot that was gathering dust. Shot it for the first time today and happy with it, wasn't too expensive and accurate enough for drills and plinking. Two failures to fully feed with fresh mags (most likely my fault as you need to let that charging handle snap as designed) but otherwise, it cycled reliably through a couple hundred rounds using CCI standard velocity ammo.
My CMMG 22LR conversion kit in a benched 16" M4 carbine barrel w/a TRS-25 red dot produced the following results using an NRA 25 yard slow fire bullseye target:

At 25 yards mostly in the X ring (1 5/8") and all w/in the 10 ring (3 5/16"). At 50 yards, mostly in the 10 ring and all in the 9 ring (5.5") which is equivalent to keeping all of the shots in the 10 ring on a 200 yard NRA (reduction of a 300 yard military) target. Probably could have kept all of the shots in the X ring at 25 yards if I took more time to "aim" between shots but I don't think additional time/attn to accuracy would have helped at 50 yards, because the red dot completely covered the black of the target and no further aim adjustments would have been possible.

Haven't shot it at 100 yards, didn't see the point in doing so given the results at 50, but would expect the pattern to expand further to (at best) w/in the 9 ring (8.5") on the 200 yard NRA target when shooting at 100 yards. May test this prediction later.

Good enough for target shooting, plinking and small game hunting w/in 50 yards but not reliable enough (for my taste) beyond that range.
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4-40 set screw seems impossible to find, I may have to order it on Amazon.
I ordered a box of 10 from McMaster-Carr. If you were local I'd just give you one, but I'm in So Cal.
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..... Cheap, and no spring rattle. Some other guys report using a simple wooden dowel, but wood is heavier and less-flexible.
There is absolutely zero concern for spring rattle when using 22lr bolts with spring and buffer in the buffer tube, as the buffer spring barely even moves, if at all. I find that using the 223/556 buffer + spring makes the rifle better balanced than without them.
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I find that using the 223/556 buffer + spring makes the rifle better balanced than without them.
Balance also depends on which buttstock is used ... I used a LMT SOPMOD (which originally came with my LMT lower), which is already heavier (especially with spare batteries in the storage pods of the buttstock).

In the end, it's all good - just different ways to achieve the same outcome.
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Just got my 100 pack of 4-40 x 1/8 set screws
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Just got my 100 pack of 4-40 x 1/8 set screws
Next time you need an odd set screw the hardware store on Harbor Blvd. in West Sac across the street from les Schwab has any an every size you can dream of. I donít know if you in this area or not but in case you are.
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Not even close to sac...

I probably could have gotten what I needed @ my local ace hardware. But, for the $8.25 shipped to my house, it was more convienient than me trying to do it before work.
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Just ordered an upper from Palmetto.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446934.html

Now I need to go shopping for a lower this weekend. I was wanting a Walther MP5 clone but this thread convinced me to go .22lr AR instead.
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Changed my mind and decided to buy a S&W Performance Center 15/22 Sport rifle instead.

Was going to use the CMMG conversion kit that I already have w/a S&W M&P 15/22 Sport Optics Ready carbine that was on sale for just $499 but it looked to similar to the Windham Weaponry M4 upper that I already have and, since I don't have a 22LR anyway, it just made better sense to by the 15/22 PC instead. I can also attach the A2 flash hider that came off the WW M4 upper to the M&P 15/22 to make it a fully featured gun which is entirely legal since it's a rim fire.

I can still use the CMMG conversion kit w/the WW M4 upper if I need a 2nd 22LR for a friend/relative to use and I'm building a light weight "featureless" Aero Precision lower specifically for that upper, since the WW M4 lower has been converted to featureless using a Thordsen stock which is too heavy for the carbine but perfect to use w/my Oak Armament 26" S/S bull barrel match upper as the platform for a longer range target shooting.
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Got that plug, it is delrin or something similar.

Got my bcg out, is it supposed to be this dry?! I just kept yanking the charging handle hard, until it spit out the back.

Did I break my bcg? The conversion kits I say online had another part on the front?
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Looks fine. The "front" part is the chamber adapter....the part that is like a donut that goes over the barrel when you insert the BCG.. its attached to the bolt and can be removed if needed... but be careful because the bolt will come flying off if its removed.

I'd recommend a few drops of oil along the rails of the bolt.
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Is there anything wrong with me just coating the heck out of the inside of that?

I like my ARs like I like my women, wet....
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Mine is coated with a thin layer of Slip 2000 EWL. That helps in cleaning. It also fixed any hang-ups and stuck casings. I also coat the innards of the upper as that makes it easy to wipe clean and prevents rubbing spots.

EWL is very thin but doesn't evaporate. A thin layer is all that is needed.
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Is there anything wrong with me just coating the heck out of the inside of that?

I like my ARs like I like my women, wet....
The only concern I would have is dirt and cycling issues. In case you didn't already know, 22lr firearms can be finicky. I personally use a light grease on mine and have no problems using CCI ammo.
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this is my first 22lr, so I have no idea about it. I do know for the regular 5.56 that you can never have too much oil.... I was just concerned how it is dry gray on the inside! you can even somewhat see where there was some oil splashed in there, and it made the metal a different color..... I am just wondering if I put oil on a rag and wipe it over everything if that is good? or what? My 5.56 bcgs actually sit in ziplocs with oil...


Well, I wiped it all down with a qtip and liberal tears. Also squirted some in the lower as well. Got the set screw in the rear takedown, and the buffer is torqued to 40 ft/lbs. Ended up buying a magpul wrench, as I somehow rounded the teeth off the junk wrench I had. And picked up 2 new castle nuts as well. Also has a buffer in it, with that plastic plug.

Does psa test fire these before shipment? Or should I still have my headspace checked?

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Looking to build an AR15 but with a 22lr.

What are the best options available right now, was looking at the cmmg conversion kit, that actually uses a 5.56 barrel (I think) with a special adapter. what about the magazine?

There is dedicated 22lr that kinda looks like an ar, but is made of plastic, and jsut seems really cheap, I don't like that...

Trying to make a rifle for my daughter, but don't need an AW. I do want it setup, so I can swap some parts, and turn it into a 5.56 if I need to (fixed mag) I won't go featureless
You want to know what's the "best option" for obtaining an AR pattern .22LR rifle? Buy an S&W M&P22. Some years back I built an AR-15 in .22LR for a friend - totally .22LR dedicated with CMMG barrel and bolt, standard aluminum upper and lower receivers, rail etc. With quality parts, all up this thing ran about $700 and while it works perfectly, the end product was a rifle heavier than a 5.56 because their is more mass, and not as "fun" as I thought it would be.
About the same time I purchases my son an S&W M&P22. Polymer upper and lower, polymer FCG, polymer "rail" and lightweight .22LR dedicated barrel. End result? I REALLY prefer handling and shooting HIS rifle over the "sub-caliber" standard AR profile. At the time I found it on sale for just under $350, so about half of what it cost in parts to build one from all the full-weight rifle parts.
The M&P22 has proven 100% reliable on all ammo, under all conditions. He's mounted all sorts of sights, scopes, red dots, flashlights, and other stuff to it, including bipod. The gun is super light- as a .22LR should be, far sturdier and more durable than any internet naysayer would want you to know, and IMO, a BETTER expenditure of money than the Ruger 10/22 for a number of reasons, first among them being the supremely reliable and inexpensive magazines made by S&W. In fact, the one I built had the adapter to accept S&W mags because they are considered the most reliable one can find, and I guess 100% reliable feeding is about as good as it gets.
The S&W functions exactly like an AR....selector, trigger, charging, bolt-hold-open, etc. It quickly breaks down into an upper and lower for compact carry, and of course came from the factory with enough rail space to mount anything and everything. The other thing is that all FCG parts that fit the "big-boys" will also fit the M&P22 so one can add a fancy trigger and all that if so desired, and the barrel uses a simple nut which allows quick removal and the receiver can use an adapter to mount an aftermarket rail for those not content with the gun being super-light.
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As much as I love my AR-22, I really like shooting the Henry Golden Boy. Plus, it holds 16 rounds.
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You want to know what's the "best option" for obtaining an AR pattern .22LR rifle? Buy an S&W M&P22. Some years back I built an AR-15 in .22LR for a friend - totally .22LR dedicated with CMMG barrel and bolt, standard aluminum upper and lower receivers, rail etc. With quality parts, all up this thing ran about $700 and while it works perfectly, the end product was a rifle heavier than a 5.56 because their is more mass, and not as "fun" as I thought it would be.
With an AR22 you can build it however you want. I have a CMMG lightweight upper the whole rifle is right at 6 pounds - lighter than my 5.56 rifles except maybe the SU-16. It is as fun as my Sig522 and shares the same mags, probably more fun than my 10/22.
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The coupon code was ID10T not sure if itís still active
Hee hee I see what you did there.
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I could never get my AR-15 with dedicated .22 upper to be as accurate as my Marlin 60 or my wife's 795. For what they (AR-15 in .22) cost you can get a couple of Marlins with good glass.
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Well, I purchased myself a dedicated AR 15-22 LR upper with S/S BCG from the PSA Elvish forges in Florida. I would recommend that if you are looking for a good dedicated AR 15-22 that you do so as well!

For my rifle, I've added a dedicated Anderson lower with Spikes parts group, Mil-spec buffer (not needed but wanted the weight to mimic a standard AR), Magpul MOE SL stock, UTG bug buster 1" 3x9x32 scope on medium rings, Nightstrike Diamondback foregrip, Magpul QD Mlok mounts, Boonie Packer Better Mag adapter and S&W M&P 10 round mags.

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This AR 15-22 is heavier than my S&W M&P 15-22 due to having mainly metal as opposed to polymer parts and, at least to me, feels "more robust." But, I'll see how I feel about the weight after holding/supporting it during a few more extended range shoots. While the AR 15-22 is more expensive overall, I think both are good training rifles that are just plain fun to shoot!

Before heading for the range I cleaned the barrel and BCG. I also burnished the BCG with some WS2 and then lightly lubed with Slip 2000 oil and some Tri-Flow PTFE dry lube.

After taking her out to the range to sight-in all I can say is.......... WOW!

This upper shot flawlessly through an initial 180 rounds of Federal Target Grade, CCI Blazer, Winchester X, and Aguila SP ammo. It liked them all and asked for more! The only issue I had was with the Aguila, which seemed to want to hang in the top of the magazine a couple of times. However, the rifle/upper itself shot like a champ.

Here are some simple initial target results at 25 yards using a SAP sling from a standing unsupported position (note:any misses are purely operator error and not the rifle):

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After this range trip, I think I need to move the scope and re-sight in to see if I can cut down on some head/eye movement that I was experiencing. But this is my issue and not the rifle. Besides, it justifies another trip to the range.


So, all in all, I am very pleased with this build and would highly recommend the PSA dedicated upper.


Lastly, I don't know about you but I name all my rifles. For now I think I will call this one "Squirrels Bane" or "SB" for short. (For NorCal22Gal or as_rocketman, maybe someday I can rename her "Redcoat's Bane" if she, or I, truly become a "shingle shooter." )
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