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Old 01-26-2012, 3:56 PM
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I want to buy a new gun. But can't decide between a glock 20sf or a seven or eight shot 357 mag. From what I have read and seen 357 ammo puts out around 450lbs to 688+lbs. The ten mill puts out 480lbs to 688+ hand loads can be hotter. I don't want one sided comments from glock haters. I love my glock 23 it goes bang every time. I also have a blast shooting my Dan Wesson 44 mag revolver. I think357 is cheaper to shoot and not such a specialty load as 10 mill auto.I bet some will say 357 can move at 1400-1600-fps but only with light bullets that lose their punch quickly. I'm no expert so if I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time.which would you choose for a hunting sidearm.glock 20 or s&w 686
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357 magnum is more versitle. I'd get (and have gotten) the 357 magnum
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I own a Glock 29 10mm and a 686, and love them both.

Some things to consider:

* 10MM is hard to impossible to find locally, while .357mag is fairly easy
* 686 is a nice looking gun, and would be a shame to put a big scratch in it out in the woods, while who cares if your ugly Glock gets a bit of wear
* 686 you can practice using cheap .38sp rounds, so a big plus if you plan on shooting it a lot
* Glock 20 fully loaded is still probably lighter weight than a 686 empty I'm guessing
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I am a huge 10mm fan, but if you are looking for a do everything round, I would go with the N-frame or the L-frame 357. You will be able to shoot 38s and 357.

I used to carry my G20sf hunting in bear country, now I just carry my 44 mag model 329pd. My $.02
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Actually the 10MM round is the most versatile.

Especially in the heavier weights where knock-down power counts.

Being .40 caliber the amount of various bullet shapes and weights is astounding.

The round can be loaded to .40 speeds for plinking (and with the same power and more comfort because the Glock 20SF/29SF is more comfortable in the hand) or loading a hunting round like Bullalo Bore you're in .41 magnum territory.

A .357 magnum (I own several) has about 50% more kick than a Glock platform; mainly for two reasons: 1. No slide to absorb the recoil 2. The pistol rocks back and UP with each shot. Really not a fun gun to shoot with hot .357 pills.

The GLOCK has a hefty slide to absorb those 10MM rounds; the polymer is also a bit flexible and absorbs much of the recoil. I can shoot a GLOCK 20SF all day long without issues. A .357 magnum will wear my wrist down after about 50 rounds....

Have the ability to run 15 round preban mags or rebuild kits for use out of State, the GLOCK wins in absolute firepower. Being much lighter, the GLOCK is not a burden to carry. Even will full magazines.

The 10MM round has more energy and speed at 100 yards than a .45 Auto does at the muzzle. It is a car-stopper, hard hitting with extremely rapid power. Nothing can touch a GLOCK 20SF as a get-home-back-woods-take-care-of-business weapon. And the weapon is less expensive than a stainless .357 smith. Not as classy, but I prefer a work-every-time auto-pistol.

Another advantage to the GLOCK 29SF/20SF is the ability to change calibers with a barrel change. I can run:

1. .357 SIG with the same magazines

2. .40 Caliber with the same magazines

3. 9X25 with the same magazines.

4. AA advantage arms .22 conversion with a slide and mag change.

5. .45 Auto Glock 21 Top End with a Magazine change. Same exact bottom.

Also you can use a 6 inch barrel for hunting. (Glock longslide)

I reload .357 and 10MM. So ammo costs are not important or valid.

You can also turn your GLOCK 20 into a carbine. Something that I haven't tryed yet but plan too later this year.

For me the perfect backpack travel gun is the GLOCK 29SF. You can even go swimming with it. I wouldn't do that with a Stainless Smith....

There is an interesting thread on GLOCK TALK 10 Ring about "The Perfect Gun"

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1395480

My feelings exactly...!



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41 mag power in a semi auto with 10 rounds
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I own a g20c which I usually run with a 6" LWD barrel for my cast reloads and a Ruger GP 100 6" .357. Love 'em both, but if it had to be just one the G20 stays. I am more accurate with the 10mm. The slide soaks up much of the recoil and I can just shoot it more quickly, accurately. It is the perfect pack gun also if you are into that sort of thing. I usually throw in with my advantage arms 22 LR conversion kit when I backpack.
I enjoy the unique cartridge also. Not many people have a 10mm, some have never heard of it.
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I want to buy a new gun. But can't decide between a glock 20sf or a seven or eight shot 357 mag. From what I have read and seen 357 ammo puts out around 450lbs to 688+lbs. The ten mill puts out 480lbs to 688+ hand loads can be hotter. I don't want one sided comments from glock haters. I love my glock 23 it goes bang every time. I also have a blast shooting my Dan Wesson 44 mag revolver. I think357 is cheaper to shoot and not such a specialty load as 10 mill auto.I bet some will say 357 can move at 1400-1600-fps but only with light bullets that lose their punch quickly. I'm no expert so if I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time.which would you choose for a hunting sidearm.glock 20 or s&w 686
Glock 20

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I bet some will say 357 can move at 1400-1600-fps but only with light bullets that lose their punch quickly. I'm no expert so if I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time.which would you choose for a hunting sidearm.glock 20 or s&w 686
My 686+ w/6" bbl spits out out Federal 158 JSP at a little over 1400 fps. That's not unusual for high end 357 loads and the recoil is enough for most manly men. You don't say what you consider "light" so 158 gr may be too small a bullet for you.
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Obvious answer is obvious.

You need both.

To answer your question (sorta) I can't think of anything the 10mm or .357 would do that your .44 Magnum can't as far as hunting goes.
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You want an all out fire power handgun at an affordable price =g20 wins

You want flashy bling bling more expensive wheelgun that weighs a ton but only fires 2 calibers and limited rds=357 mag
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As a hunting sidearm, definitely the G20SF.
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A 357 you can always shoot 38 specials thru.
I plan on getting a 10mm barrel for my G21. Factory ammo harder to find.
Start reloading? I have saved every bit of reloadable brass that I have every bought.
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i'm in lines with OceanBob. i own a G20, G29, and 357 mag. i love my 357, but would use the G20/29 in the back country any day and twice on sundays. the recoil isn't that bad on the G20. i will say that i am more accurite on the 357 than the G20. only because i have put a lot of rounds thru her. even then, i would carry the G20 over the 357. i'm talking 3" groupings at 25 yards with the 357 and 4-5" groupings with the G20. i reload if that makes it any different.

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357 magnum is more versitle. I'd get (and have gotten) the 357 magnum
I'd agree, and I dont mind 10mm at all. Depending on the barrel length its a very versatile gun. (357).
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A 357 you can always shoot 38 specials thru.
I plan on getting a 10mm barrel for my G21. Factory ammo harder to find.
Start reloading? I have saved every bit of reloadable brass that I have every bought.
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If you want to get the most in versatility out of just about any caliber, this is the way to go. .357, 10mm, .44... all can go mild to wild.

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Contrary to what many people believe the 10mm is not as fast as the 357. There are a handful of loads in the same bullet weight where the 10mm is faster but overall the 357 wins.

Given the choice I would still take a Glock 20sf over any 357 revolver for reasons listed above. Less recoil, bigger diameter bullet, more rounds, magazines, the glock is probably going to be cheaper, ect ect.

I've had both and both are fantastic rounds. Two of my favorites in fact. Also you can get a 45acp upper for your glock 20 if you wanted. I'm tossing that idea around myself.
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for hunting you should really conisder weight and size. Because the Glock will be lighter, and higher capacity, I would go with the Glock.
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Do you reload? You either will or will wish you did if you pick up a 10mm. The ammo is relatively hard to come by and is expensive.

Best of both worlds, IMO would be to pick up a GLock 20 or 21, and get an additional upper for it in the other caliber to have both 10mm ad .45acp. No matter what, you can always find reasonable .45acp ammo around.

I'd start with a GLock 21sf, then grab a long slide in 10mm with a 6" barrel- should make a HOT hunting combo!

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For me the perfect backpack travel gun is the GLOCK 29SF. You can even go swimming with it. I wouldn't do that with a Stainless Smith....
Just a neat fact, the navy seals use S&W 686's when they will be in the ocean because they are rust resistant.

And i agree with all of your points on 10mm vs .357. If you reload it is great plus if you can get a S&W 610 if you want a revolver
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Contrary to what many people believe the 10mm is not as fast as the 357. There are a handful of loads in the same bullet weight where the 10mm is faster but overall the 357 wins.
Where are you finding your information? The 10mm smokes the .357mag in every bullet weight they share (135/125, 165/158 etc), and the 10mm has the heavier bullet in each comaprison. The lightest bullet made for 10mm is 135gr, so anything under that is apples to oranges. Most people want a heavy bullet for hunting anyway.

Can a .357mag get a 200gr WFNGC to average 1416fps? I can, and have, with my 6" G20LS. For hunting with an auto loading pistol, it doesn't get much better.
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I have both and have taken big game with them. The glock seems great on paper as far as teminal performance and capacity is a big win but it's just not really shown itself to be as much of a buck-stumper as the .357mag for me in those limited cases where I was able to use them. I don't know why but the .357 was more quickly lethal and shots and bullets and ballistics were pretty comparable in the loads I used. I wouldn't hunt with the glock anymore as my .357 is vastly more accurate but I would feel very well personally defended with the glock 20.
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I have both and have taken big game with them. The glock seems great on paper as far as teminal performance and capacity is a big win but it's just not really shown itself to be as much of a buck-stumper as the .357mag for me in those limited cases where I was able to use them. I don't know why but the .357 was more quickly lethal and shots and bullets and ballistics were pretty comparable in the loads I used. I wouldn't hunt with the glock anymore as my .357 is vastly more accurate but I would feel very well personally defended with the glock 20.
There are a lot of variables in play there.

1. What exact loads were you using for each gun?
2. What barrel lengths?
3. What range were the deer shot at?
4. Where did the shots hit?
5. How big were the deer?
6. What vitals were hit, and how much damage was done?
7. Did either shot hit bone?
etc etc etc...

I know they are both great calibers, but I'm still convinced that the 10mm has better external AND internal ballistics. I would love to have a 686 or GP100, but I'm stuck on Glocks for now.
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I have both and have taken big game with them. The glock seems great on paper as far as teminal performance and capacity is a big win but it's just not really shown itself to be as much of a buck-stumper as the .357mag for me in those limited cases where I was able to use them. I don't know why but the .357 was more quickly lethal and shots and bullets and ballistics were pretty comparable in the loads I used. I wouldn't hunt with the glock anymore as my .357 is vastly more accurate but I would feel very well personally defended with the glock 20.
Different opinions exist but facts are facts. How can you beat a 10MM Buffalo Bore 220 grain hardcast hunting bullet that shoots 1.75 inch groups at 25 yards..?...Certainly the .357 isn't even in the ballpark with that weight, accuracy and speed...!

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I'm not really understanding what is meant by "The .357 is more versatile" other than .38's can be shot through them as well. However, for the handloader, the 10mm can be loaded down to 40S&W ballistics, all the way past .357 ballistics, and then reaching .41 Magnum ballistics. I personally have several 10mm "Pet Loads" that are absolutely devastating in the power area. My 3 favorites are a 200gr XTP @ 1350 fps, a 180gr XTP @1425 fps, and a 135gr. Nosler SHG Hollowpoint @ a WHOPPING 1725 fps (that's just a hair under 900 ft. lbs. of power, kiddies!) The 10 millimeter just simply wins, hands down.
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I'm not really understanding what is meant by "The .357 is more versatile" other than .38's can be shot through them as well. However, for the handloader, the 10mm can be loaded down to 40S&W ballistics, all the way past .357 ballistics, and then reaching .41 Magnum ballistics. I personally have several 10mm "Pet Loads" that are absolutely devastating in the power area. My 3 favorites are a 200gr XTP @ 1350 fps, a 180gr XTP @1425 fps, and a 135gr. Nosler SHG Hollowpoint @ a WHOPPING 1725 fps (that's just a hair under 900 ft. lbs. of power, kiddies!) The 10 millimeter just simply wins, hands down.
I dont either. A g20 can be converted to fire 22lr and 45. But the 357 is more versatile bcuz it can fire 38.....???
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But the 357 is more versatile bcuz it can fire 38.....???
More versatile for those who don't hand load perhaps.

Walk into a walmart and compare their .38/.357 offerings to their 10mm offerings, if there is any.

(i'm not picking sides either way, just explaining why .357 may be considered more 'versatile')
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meathead: you are correct, too many variables to be anything more than anecdote. The one time that I was able to make a comparison, it biased to the .357. My personal opinion on the matter is that the .357 bullets weren't quite as stoutly constructed and expanded in an uncontrolled fashion resulting in some fragmentation that hit something or some things that were important and got the lethality edge. Could have just as easily been a fluke but the fact of the matter that not one of you has managed to successfully debate a counterpoint to is: my glock 20 turns in groups that are 2-3 times the size of my Dan Wesson 15-4VH and that's more than sufficient reason for me to prefer it.

The vastly better trigger pull, better sights, and a host of other features also stack against the glock. In theory a glock can jam... my DW won't probably ever have that issue. Still... all you'd have to do to get me to endorse the glock option as flatly superior is to make the trigger pull as awesome as a revolver and to make it as accurate as my revolver.
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I just wanted to thank everyone for your thoughts. I now realize I need both i'm screwed.lol time to start loading myself.I already have a dan wesson 44 I think a dan wesson 15-4vh would be a nice addition, but I havent seen them under a grand for the kit with all the barrels. and a glock 20sf i'm being quoted 725 out the door. With four kids the gun fund does'nt grow as fast as it should.
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