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Old 12-07-2017, 1:28 PM
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Dang, $1000 for only a rack grade? A bit rough, but I have been wanting a surplus 1911 for just about my whole life now. Still on the fence.
Its all just rumor, wait and see what is offered and at what price.
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Old 12-07-2017, 2:07 PM
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This is going to be fun to watch. I can hear the whiners already. I got mine about 25 years ago. All original RR. Paid a whopping $395. I'll pass on these
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This is going to be fun to watch. I can hear the whiners already. I got mine about 25 years ago. All original RR. Paid a whopping $395. I'll pass on these
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Back in 1992 could buy a house for $75,000.00 in my town that now sells for $675,000.00 so I'd say you got ripped off!!
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This is going to be fun to watch. I can hear the whiners already. I got mine about 25 years ago. All original RR. Paid a whopping $395. I'll pass on these
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I got mine for $65.00 35 years ago, and I got nothing to whine about.
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Old 12-07-2017, 7:42 PM
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Got mine for less than $200 17 years ago so no whining here. Well actually is a commercial Colt 1911 from 1919. I'm sure there are dummies that really think CMP will let the good stuff go with all the beaters they will be releasing.

Yeah I'm sure they will throw in some Singers in the ones they sell for $1000.
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I wonder if the Army will turn over M15s and NM 1911s as part of the overall package to the CMP?

The question I've wondered is, considering there are only 100,000 pistols left out of millions on hand at one time, did the military keep the best back or give away the better quality as military assistance and law enforcement donations in prior years?

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Old 12-07-2017, 8:55 PM
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Didn't some get destroyed during the Clinton era? I know during that era he gave Mexico some M1 Carbines who knows how many 1911's were given in MAP programs too.

I'm sure a lot were left with the South Vietnamese.
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This is going to be fun to watch. I can hear the whiners already. I got mine about 25 years ago. All original RR. Paid a whopping $395. I'll pass on these
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I would have loved to do this but I didn't exist back then.
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What we paid for houses and guns years ago is if no consequence. The only thing that matters is if willing buyers and sellers agree on price. That is how markets are made. CMP sells Garlands for a bit below market. Maybe they will sell Colts for a bit below market price, but in the end the market will rule. It always does.
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Just read the latest email from the CMP regarding the 1911s and noticed something. We will need to submit a signed copy of the receiving FFl's license. Just curious, how willing are FFL's to give out signed copies of their license?
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I havent ever had any issues with it. If your FFL wont ,just look for another one
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Just read the latest email from the CMP regarding the 1911s and noticed something. We will need to submit a signed copy of the receiving FFl's license. Just curious, how willing are FFL's to give out signed copies of their license?
From the email notice,

"a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached."
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New email today (12-12-17) with slightly updated information, clarification.


CMP 1911 Information
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions further clarified updated 12/12/2017:

CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.

Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, 02, 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. These are "store front" FFLs.

A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the "store front" FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.

The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.

Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.

No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales. All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.

CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc.

Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.

The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.

Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.

When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one 1911 type pistol.

As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grades and pricing options will be available.

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.

Ordering Information: CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.


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Old 12-13-2017, 12:47 PM
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2 background checks... hrm.

Seems like CMP is adding a bunch to the process in attempt to dismiss the "mail order guns" BS the progressive anti-gunners keep pedaling, but at the expense of more hoops for us.

So CMP receives pistols,
takes 5 months to grade them,
then publishes a date they will start accepting orders,
then we supply citizenship/CMP activity/marksmanship/a notarized form 2A/ and get our local FFL to send over a signed copy of his/her license,
then they wait until they get 10k orders,
then they randomize,
then (if picked) you may get to choose one of whatever is available.


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No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales. All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.
So, no auctions???
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People ***** if you dont set limits, people ***** if you sell at stores as everyone cant get to a store, people ***** becuase they got their order in before their buddy and he got a firearm and they didnt make the cut off, people ***** because 1911's to go through a Type I FFL,
CMP tried this time to make everything as even playing field as possible and make people happy and guess what? People *****!

Its also not CMP's fault the 1911's cant go to Curio and Relics holders, call and ***** to congress
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Old 12-13-2017, 2:31 PM
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Well said Bill.
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People ***** if you dont set limits, people ***** if you sell at stores as everyone cant get to a store, people ***** becuase they got their order in before their buddy and he got a firearm and they didnt make the cut off, people ***** because 1911's to go through a Type I FFL,
CMP tried this time to make everything as even playing field as possible and make people happy and guess what? People *****!

Its also not CMP's fault the 1911's cant go to Curio and Relics holders, call and ***** to congress
And pepole ***** about people *****ing. Now if it bothered me and I complained then it would be people *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing.

No wouldn't that be a *****
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I look forward to getting one
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