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Old 03-03-2018, 5:29 AM
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I have some 270 from when I was hog hunting living in Texas but I sold that rifle when I moved.

Thinking about getting a fairly basic setup and other than having 270 on hand I have no reason to get another 270 or a more popular caliber.

It would be for target range use out to a few hundred yards at most.
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If you reload and have everything for 270 go with 270, if not pick up something that is cheaper to shoot if you are only punching paper.

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For target shooting, I'd say pick something with a larger selection of target bullets and less recoil.
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If you reload and have everything for 270 go with 270, if not pick up something that is cheaper to shoot if you are only punching paper.

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Not setup for reloading but organizing Ammo I realized I still had a good chunk of 270....

For a 100-300yd gun maybe I’ll just stick with .223 like my ar’s?
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The .270 is a great hunting round and actually has very good ballistics but unless you reload there is very few "Target" ammo choices. I would not buy a rifle just because I have the ammo.

Try getting a .308, 6.5Creedmoor.

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Perfect excuse to buy a Remington 783 in 270.

$312 https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...SCP+270+22+MAT
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For target shooting. Get a rifle with the thicker target barrel.
You should consider 308, 6.5 creedmore or wait for the 224 valkyrie to have a better selection.
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I have some 270 from when I was hog hunting living in Texas but I sold that rifle when I moved.

Thinking about getting a fairly basic setup and other than having 270 on hand I have no reason to get another 270 or a more popular caliber.

It would be for target range use out to a few hundred yards at most.
270 is not a particularly good choice for a target gun, but if you will only be using it at short range (inside 300yds), it's fine.
If you want to hunt with it, beware that many areas currently require lead-free ammunition and the whole state is going lead-free in 2019.
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For a good rgeneral hunting rifle 270 or 30-06 are hard to beat. Just keep watching it he marketplace and Buds guns, a good deal will come your way. You could do a lot worse than a 270. If you want one get one.

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For a few hundred yards of informal plinking it ought to do just fine. You won't likely find cheap target ammo for it. It's pretty much a hunting caliber only and likely to offer hunting(expensive loads).
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One of the thompson or Rossi multi caliber rifles with a 270 223 and 308 barrels! Thompson now has a multi caliber bolt action that looks pretty fun
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I don't know if i fully understand your question but for a target rifle i woyld probably do
6.5 creedmor, 6.5x55 or 243.

270s recoil can be more than i want to deal with if um spending a day at the range.

I know people never want to give the 243 love but for a couple hundred yards its a blast. If you dont reload there is plebty of reasonably priced stuff for it, it doesnt kick and if you do reload the long bullets are really nice.

270 is undoubtedly one of the great rounds but moatly used for hunting and unless its going to weigh 11lbs or more you probably wont want to shoot it more than 10 or so times in a sitting.

Your Mileage May Vary but thats my experience. I have two 6.5 swedes, a 270, 30 06, a 243, 308 and 223 bolts. Right now the swedes get the most use but i do love my 243
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If your budget will allow and you desire to keep hunting, keep the 270 Win ammo and acquire a hunting rifle for it. For target use, I would definitely seek out a 6.5 Creedmoor or 308 Win rifle and scope designed for target use. 270 Win is an excellent hunting caliber for just about everything except dangerous game, but it was never designed or marketed as a target/competition round and thus the lack of match grade ammo available on the market.
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A 270 is kinda like an orphan now with 7mm and 30 caliber guns more popular and for some good reasons. A 270 has less options offered in the way of bullets than the other two calibers, and while its great for deer its not good for elk, or perhaps its a little light for elk whereas a 30-06 is not too light and a 300 win mag is certainly not light and as flat shooting as the 270 albeit with more recoil

I bought a 270 for my first gun. I have about 40 rifles now, and none are 270. I have a lot of 30 cals (308 norma mag, 308, 300 win mag, 30-06, 300 wby mag) and a lot of 6mm and 7mm for targets, and of course 375's for squirrels.
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If I was to start over i would pick the 6.5 CM or 260 Remington. It can still take varmints, deer and feral pigs (good eating size ones). Target shooting 100-1000 yards is still covered, just pick the right twist and bullet.
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Love my tikka T3 in .270. My cousin drops an elk every year with his. Are other rounds gaining popularity? Yes. Can you find ammo in every town USA? Not always. I also was getting really lucky getting new ammo on the used market for cheap.

One of the biggest advantages of the .270 that I see is that it has plenty of whump and a long maximum point blank range. Inside 320 yds just put the crosshairs on target and pull the trigger.

In the end there is no end all rifle. Get a field rifle for field use and a precision rifle for precision use. That doesn’t mean shooting a field rifle at the range won’t improve your skills, just that you won’t get the results that a heavy barreled rifle would bring.
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Back in the 90s I met a gentleman that had a custom target rifle in 270 Win. He had a heavy barrel in 28 or 30” length. Back then there weren’t any match grade bullets made in .277” there seems to be a bit more now, but not as much as what is offered for calibers in .308”, 7mm, 6.5mm, 6mm and .224”. I supposed you can use A-max or the all copper type bullets.
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Interesting. I see lots of mention of .270 (too much recoil) or .243 (little recoil), but zero mention of the 7mm-08. The 7mm-08 has significantly less recoil than a .270 (although I can shoot a .270 all day at the range), and it's recoil is only slightly more than a .243...........yet, you can purchase 140 ammo over the counter for the 08, and it's a very effective round for elk. JMO from owning all three. Love a .243, but the 08 does a lot more with just a little more recoil.
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I have some 270 from when I was hog hunting living in Texas but I sold that rifle when I moved.

Thinking about getting a fairly basic setup and other than having 270 on hand I have no reason to get another 270 or a more popular caliber.

It would be for target range use out to a few hundred yards at most.
.270 is a great round with a lot of potential, but since it's only marketed as a hunting round, there really aren't many options for high quality ammo in the market, outside of reloading, from what I've seen.

With that said, I think just about any centerfire bolt action can be accurate enough for ringing steel out to 300 yards or so. And that's with fairly cheap ammo. I use Federal Power Shok for nearly all my target practice on my rifles. In one box of that stuff I'll find dinged/marred, smushed lead points on the bullets. And still, I can hit a steel IPSC target at nearly 400 meters and at 100 yards, I can shoot about 1 moa with that ammo, sometimes better.

So if that's the level of accuracy you want, a budget bolt action from Remington, Savage, Ruger, or TC would easily get you there with minimal investment and you already have some ammo for it.

On the other hand, if you wanted another caliber, why not get what you can for the ammo via PPT and get a lighter recoiling caliber or something that commonly has match grade offerings? If you went with .243 the recoil will be lesser, ballistic performance will be higher, and cost will be roughly the same. If you chose a 5.56 or .308 the market is heavy with cheap bulk ammo and match grade stuff.
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Not setup for reloading but organizing Ammo I realized I still had a good chunk of 270....

For a 100-300yd gun maybe I’ll just stick with .223 like my ar’s?
A .223 bolt gun will fit the bill perfectly. Match the twist rate of the AR’s, and shoot the same off the shelf ammo. You can always sell or give away the .270 ammo.

I have a .270, that I hunt with and really like. Last year, I bought the same rifle in .223, for range use, small game, & predator hunting. The .223 is a soft shooter, even from the bench.
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I have Rem 700 in .270. From the research I did and after talking to a more experienced big game hunter, I’m sold on it. It’s supposed to be an effective hunting round for a variety of different animals.
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The only question in my mind with guns in 270 and smaller is how they are going to handle non lead ammo. In non lead to get to the weights we all want to use the bullet must be longer and faster twister rates are going to be needed than the 1 in 10 the most rifles have. This not going to be an issue with 30 cal based guns because of the larger bore.

I am currently planning a load for my son's 243 an am very limited in hunting bullets that are lead free that can stabilized in 1 in 10. I have to go with something no heavier than 80gr.

270 seams that it would be better than 243 but not as good as 30 cal.
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The only question in my mind with guns in 270 and smaller is how they are going to handle non lead ammo. In non lead to get to the weights we all want to use the bullet must be longer and faster twister rates are going to be needed than the 1 in 10 the most rifles have. This not going to be an issue with 30 cal based guns because of the larger bore.

I am currently planning a load for my son's 243 an am very limited in hunting bullets that are lead free that can stabilized in 1 in 10. I have to go with something no heavier than 80gr.

270 seams that it would be better than 243 but not as good as 30 cal.
Copper vs lead..... Typically, you will use a copper bullet 20~25% lighter than it’s lead equivalent.
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The only question in my mind with guns in 270 and smaller is how they are going to handle non lead ammo. In non lead to get to the weights we all want to use the bullet must be longer and faster twister rates are going to be needed than the 1 in 10 the most rifles have. This not going to be an issue with 30 cal based guns because of the larger bore.

I am currently planning a load for my son's 243 an am very limited in hunting bullets that are lead free that can stabilized in 1 in 10. I have to go with something no heavier than 80gr.

270 seams that it would be better than 243 but not as good as 30 cal.


I had 270’s both shoot the Barnes 130TTSX solids amazingly well.


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The only question in my mind with guns in 270 and smaller is how they are going to handle non lead ammo. In non lead to get to the weights we all want to use the bullet must be longer and faster twister rates are going to be needed than the 1 in 10 the most rifles have. This not going to be an issue with 30 cal based guns because of the larger bore.

I am currently planning a load for my son's 243 an am very limited in hunting bullets that are lead free that can stabilized in 1 in 10. I have to go with something no heavier than 80gr.

270 seams that it would be better than 243 but not as good as 30 cal.
The consensus on copper ammo for hunting is speed kills.

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The 130 grain TSX produces excellent shock out to 200 yards (2600fps) on both light and medium weight animals but beyond this range, rear lung shots on medium game often result in slow kills. To this end, as with the 110 grain TSX, shot placement is critical for best results at longer ranges. The 130 grain TSX is vastly superior to the 150 grain Partition with regard to penetration on larger heavier animals weighing around 200kg (440lb) and heavier. The 140 and 150 grain TSX are best suited to heavier game. Generally speaking, if the animal has a chest width of over 18 inches, the Barnes 130 to 150 grain TSX projectiles come into their own. Again, high muzzle velocities are key factors in success, the higher the velocity and closer the range, the wider the wounds. The 150 grain TSX is a good match for chest shooting Elk sized animals weighing around 320kg (700lb).
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For hunting, the .270 is great.

For paper punching, there are far better options. I would suggest 6.5 Creedmoor or 6mm Creedmoor.
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For fun at the range or hunting the 270 is as good as any round.
For Target shooting it suffers from a complete lack of Target bullets so you will never see one on the competitive line.
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There are 170 grain bullets for the 270 now but they are not needed for general use.
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You can use the Barnes ballistic table (pre loaded ammo) as a comparison to your average lead bullet.

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The only question in my mind with guns in 270 and smaller is how they are going to handle non lead ammo. In non lead to get to the weights we all want to use the bullet must be longer and faster twister rates are going to be needed than the 1 in 10 the most rifles have. This not going to be an issue with 30 cal based guns because of the larger bore.

I am currently planning a load for my son's 243 an am very limited in hunting bullets that are lead free that can stabilized in 1 in 10. I have to go with something no heavier than 80gr.

270 seams that it would be better than 243 but not as good as 30 cal.
Don’t know where you get your info but I have shot a variety of lead free .270 and found it accurate. My buddy shot 4 different lead free .243 and they all shot well.
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It's my go to caliber for deer & pig size game 30-06 for the rest of NA GB.....
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I am posing a question of smaller bores and lead free ammo requiring longer bullets which cause a need for faster twist rate to stabilize.

I wonder if we will start to see faster twist rates on smaller bore rifles from the factory.
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I am posing a question of smaller bores and lead free ammo requiring longer bullets which cause a need for faster twist rate to stabilize.

I wonder if we will start to see faster twist rates on smaller bore rifles from the factory.
Generally shoot a lighter/faster bullet for similar game performance. Somewhat negates the concern.
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