New USFA ZiP Gun?

[Excelsior]

Is this thing just a gimmick or will it have real merit?

USFA ZiP Factory

Very intriguing. Certainly a novel design. MSRP of $200.00 is nice. I hope no one shoots their finger off while trying to charge it.

[Excelsior]

Of course it will be crapped on in the beginning by those with closed minds/no imagination but I really do wonder if the design has any merit?

[vintagearms]

Just wish they would get rid of the gimmicky movie crap and just show the damn gun and what it is capable of.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by vintagearms

Just wish they would get rid of the gimmicky movie crap and just show the damn gun and what it is capable of.

Agreed 100%

That movie crap actually makes me wonder if they are trying to hide something?

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

The ergonomics look horrible. Should be interesting to hold one at SHOT.


Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 W 12-9 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

[Delta Rose]

Originally Posted by Eddy's Shooting Sports

The ergonomics look horrible. Should be interesting to hold one at SHOT.

Please give us your impression of it when you return from the show. This does indeed look intriguing, and seems like it would be perfect to stash in a 10/22TD case.

I wonder if they will ever be placed on the California roster.....

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Delta Rose

I wonder if they will ever be placed on the California roster.....

well, reading the operator's manual did not see any mention of a magazine disconnect, so until they add one, it couldn't be rostered.

[frigginchi]

It's pretty cool. Love to have it for a backpack gun.

[Javi]

Not related directly to the zip but it makes me depressed that USFA's single action revolvers are put on hold to pump these little guys out

[RDT72]

It looks pretty neat with the new Ruger 25 round magazine and can also be used as a suppressed under barrel attachment on a long gun, All of the aforementioned would be illegal in Ca. I do wonder about the ergonomics- it seems a bit boxy- kind of like shooting a .22 out of a tape measurer. For $200I think they would sell a lot of these and I would also expect the price to grow another $100 in the first year. Just my opinion

[BlueCrash]

i'm guessing you cant have this in California?
would love to get one, looks nice and could be fun to shoot.

[the86d]

Originally Posted by BlueCrash

i'm guessing you cant have this in California?
would love to get one, looks nice and could be fun to shoot.

Feinstein won't let us have one... if it is black, as she is an evil-(black-gun-)racist.

[bussda]

This is a pistol that uses Ruger 10/22 magazines, Glock sights, or picatinny rail accessories. It would be eligible for purchase in California with an SSE mod, and is not an assault weapon because the magazine is in the grip.

Very novel design.

[smittty]

For a 10/22 fan wanting a 22 lr pistol this is very interesting option that shares the same mag.

I like it.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by bussda

This is a pistol that uses Ruger 10/22 magazines, Glock sights, or picatinny rail accessories. It would be eligible for purchase in California with an SSE mod, and is not an assault weapon because the magazine is in the grip.

Very novel design.

No SSE needed if USFA submits it for inclusion on the CA roster...

[billofrights]

It's weird and ugly, and I kind of want one.

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Excelsior

No SSE needed if USFA submits it for inclusion on the CA roster...

but as I mentioned earlier, there is no mention of a magazine-disconnect. And if it doesn't have a mag-disconnect, it can't pass the roster requirement and can't be included on the roster even if it passed the drop tests.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by ke6guj

but as I mentioned earlier, there is no mention of a magazine-disconnect. And if it doesn't have a mag-disconnect, it can't pass the roster requirement and can't be included on the roster even if it passed the drop tests.

What he said.

No "magazine disconnect mechanism" [PC 16900] = can not be submitted for testing to be placed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32010(d)(3)]


Penal Code 16900
As used in this part, "magazine disconnect mechanism" means a mechanism that prevents a semiautomatic pistol that has a detachable magazine from operating to strike the primer of ammunition in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in the semiautomatic pistol.

Penal Code 32010
(3) Commencing January 1, 2006, no rimfire semiautomatic pistol may be submitted for testing pursuant to Sections 31900 to 32110, inclusive, if it has a detachable magazine, and does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by Quiet

What he said.

No "magazine disconnect mechanism" [PC 16900] = can not be submitted for testing to be placed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32010(d)(3)]


Penal Code 16900
As used in this part, "magazine disconnect mechanism" means a mechanism that prevents a semiautomatic pistol that has a detachable magazine from operating to strike the primer of ammunition in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in the semiautomatic pistol.

Penal Code 32010
(3) Commencing January 1, 2006, no rimfire semiautomatic pistol may be submitted for testing pursuant to Sections 31900 to 32110, inclusive, if it has a detachable magazine, and does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism.

Pardon me but is there a statement or literature from USFA stating the ZiP gun has no disconnect or is it just personal conjecture at this point?

[kel-tec-innovations]

It is very strange looking and interesting. I want one.

I'm curious on the operation of the pistol. The Zip has load and restrike rods.
More info on those rods http://zipfactory.com/pdf/ZiPQuickGuide2012.pdf

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Excelsior

Pardon me but is there a statement or literature from USFA stating the ZiP gun has no disconnect or is it just personal conjecture at this point?

as I mentioned before, I read the operators manual and there was no mention of a disconnect. Usually, when a firearm has a disconnect, that fact is mentioned in the instructions since it affect the manual of arms. The lack of mention of a disconnect in the instruction book implies that the ZiP gun does not have such a disconnect.

[belkin]

It will suck.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by belkin

It will suck.

You would know...

[Excelsior]

I called Davidson's. They didn't have an answer so they tried inputting an order for California. No luck -- it's not on the roster. When they actually receive the ZiPs for sale ("any time now") they won't initially be available in CA -- not that one could ascertain that from the on-line owner's manual.

[MrPlink]

^ Do you understand how the roster works?
Unless these things take off in a HUGE way it is hyper unlikely they will ever be ON roster.

[gemoose23]

Hurm interesting... might have to add one to the safe.

Could this be the direction 3d printed guns end up? Looks possible.

[aiea]

Would a LEO be able to purchase it in CA???

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by aiea

Would a LEO be able to purchase it in CA???

yes.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by MrPlink

^ Do you understand how the roster works?
Unless these things take off in a HUGE way it is hyper unlikely they will ever be ON roster.

Bull.

Brand-new firearms are often added to the roster. The expense is by no means monumental.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Originally Posted by Excelsior

Bull.

Brand-new firearms are often added to the roster. The expense is by no means monumental.

Expense is usually not the issue. Design however is. If they did not design in a mag safety and loaded chamber indicator as mentioned before, then no dice for roster certification.


Greg David
Eddy's Shooting Sports
400 Moffett Blvd.,Suite F
Mountain View, CA 94043
(660)969-GUNS

T-F 12-7 W 12-9 Sat 11-5
Closed Sun/Mon

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Eddy's Shooting Sports

Expense is usually not the issue. Design however is. If they did not design in a mag safety and loaded chamber indicator as mentioned before, then no dice for roster certification.

no need for an LCI in this case, but it does need the mag safety.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by Eddy's Shooting Sports

Expense is usually not the issue. Design however is. If they did not design in a mag safety and loaded chamber indicator as mentioned before, then no dice for roster certification.

Indeed. Sales need not "take off" for it to be worthwhile to have a gun put on the roster.

[Vick]

I wouldn't mind one for the price. Is all that's needed to get one at a sse friendly shop a one shot sled? Or is a longer barrel necessary?

[ke6guj]

Originally Posted by Vick

I wouldn't mind one for the price. Is all that's needed to get one at a sse friendly shop a one shot sled? Or is a longer barrel necessary?

32100. (b) Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to a single-shot
pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has
an overall length of at least 10½ inches when the handle, frame or
receiver, and barrel are assembled.

[Anschiss]

So my take: you attach this to the SCAR and use it to engage targets unworthy of 5.56?

[dblcrwn]

[Excelsior]

There are several videos on the USFA ZiP on youtube now. So far it's a true POS. The maker was foolish to sell the gun before the worked correctly. I wonder if they will ever fix the design or is it already dead?

[Oceanbob]

Originally Posted by Excelsior

There are several videos on the USFA ZiP on youtube now. So far it's a true POS. The maker was foolish to sell the gun before the worked correctly. I wonder if they will ever fix the design or is it already dead?

My out of State adult daughter bought one for me right after the SHOT Show. Since it cannot be on the Roster, it came to me via the vertical family exemption. Transfers like this are exempt from the Roster.

I opened the box (gift) and it was indeed and interesting .22 pistol. She sent along a Ruger 10 Round mag for me as well. I looked at the YouTube Videos....wow..not good. I put the weapon in the Safe and Registered my Warranty on-line. Got an almost immediate email from the company owner..How in the heck did you get one in California....?...he asked.

We emailed back and forth and I told him the 3 legal ways to get an off roster handgun. He told me to hold off for a few weeks and the Factory would be sending a free UPGRADE kit to fix the feeding issues. My UPGRADE kit arrived about 10 days ago. It is a plastic bag full of new parts that I have to swap out...looks easy. The weapon is MODULAR and is really interesting to hold. I have not shot her yet.

I will be installing the KIT and take her for a test drive. I understand that CCI is the magic ammo for the ZIP. I must say the owner is very nice and they have big plans. I will publish a range report soon.

Here she is along side some other .22s for a size comparison.



Here she is with the plastic bag of UPGRADE parts. version 1.01 kit



This gun is plastic and really light weight. I like it because it doesn't look like a gun and can see it thrown into a backpack for a day hike.

It will never be on the Roster, of course.

[NRai2001]

In the video this was mounted on an AR... why would someone do that?

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by Oceanbob

My out of State adult daughter bought one for me right after the SHOT Show. Since it cannot be on the Roster, it came to me via the vertical family exemption. Transfers like this are exempt from the Roster.

I opened the box (gift) and it was indeed and interesting .22 pistol. She sent along a Ruger 10 Round mag for me as well. I looked at the YouTube Videos....wow..not good. I put the weapon in the Safe and Registered my Warranty on-line. Got an almost immediate email from the company owner..How in the heck did you get one in California....?...he asked.

We emailed back and forth and I told him the 3 legal ways to get an off roster handgun. He told me to hold off for a few weeks and the Factory would be sending a free UPGRADE kit to fix the feeding issues. My UPGRADE kit arrived about 10 days ago. It is a plastic bag full of new parts that I have to swap out...looks easy. The weapon is MODULAR and is really interesting to hold. I have not shot her yet.

I will be installing the KIT and take her for a test drive. I understand that CCI is the magic ammo for the ZIP. I must say the owner is very nice and they have big plans. I will publish a range report soon.

Here she is along side some other .22s for a size comparison.



Here she is with the plastic bag of UPGRADE parts. version 1.01 kit



This gun is plastic and really light weight. I like it because it doesn't look like a gun and can see it thrown into a backpack for a day hike.

It will never be on the Roster, of course.

Looking forward to a range report! Thanks.