|
California handguns Discuss your favorite California handgun technical and related questions here. |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
||||
|
||||
AR Pistol Build - Black on FDE (+ pics)
More or less, 1 month to build from the day I decided to pull the trigger to having it built up and ready to fire. So, that gives you an idea of timeline, and it could have maybe been done a week faster if it were not for the holidays and the fact I only custom build and so had to wait for parts to come.
Have 2 all black AR rifles, have been wanting to do some color in a build, Magpul FDE was my choice. I think it turned out great. As you can see, the CAA "tan" and the Magpul "FDE" are close, but not perfect. CAA tan is a bit lighter - but good enough for me. I got some ideas I borrowed from others here - what can you do as only so many configs you can come up with - and some of my own. Here is a tip I never read, but came up with. On the CAA stock saddle, I wanted to keep the visual of the RRA pistol buffer tube as it is beautiful as it is milled out. But, the CAA would slide around it went attached (via color matched zip ties I found at Home Depot). So, I ended up using double sided foam insulation tape and put that inside the CAA and that, when zip tied, sticks to the RAA tube, takes up the space and keeps it firm in place. See the photo below. PARTS LIST: - Upper: VLTOR MUR 1A (FORWARD ASSIST), White OAK Armament 7.5 Stainless Steel Barrel 1/7, Troy Extreme 9" Battle Rail, VLTOR low-pro gasblock and pin, PK Pistol gas tube, NOVESKE KX3 Flaming Pig, NOVESKE Charging Handle - RRA LAR-15 pistol lower - RRA LPK - RRA pistol buffer tube kit - RRA 2 stage trigger - LMT BCG full auto version - BB + freelock button - Primary Arms T-1 red dot clone + QR base - Magpul pmag + ranger plate + skateboard tape - FDE - detent mod set screw - CAA Stock Saddle - tan - Lasermax LMS-UNI Red Laser - Never Quit Magwell Grip - CAA UPG16 tan/blk grip - Magpul MBUS set - FDE color - SLAP sling plate - YHM takedown pins - Magpul BAD - Phase 5 tactical winter trigger guard - Magpul rail ladders - FDE - KAC Hand Stop - badger tactical latch - crayon SAFE and FIRE color markings - Battle Arms AMBIDEXTROUS SAFETY SELECTOR (not shown) Just got the final piece today, so I have not yet fired it, so not yet zeroed it in. Hope to do next week as things settle down for me. I will repost back up to comment on the things like the Magpul BUIS system, the Primary Arms clone red dot, the Lasermax laser (which I can operate with 1 finger), the KAC hand stop (placement yet to work out), the Never Quit Magwell Grip (as it is new to me, but seemed like it might come in handy for such a short weapon at times so WTF??) and the CAA saddle. To be honest, I am as excited by this build as any of my 3 builds so far. More in fact as I think, though not accurate over a long distance, it will be fun to shoot and certainly easier - at 25" and just 7 pounds - to wield around. UPDATE: added Sig SBX brace (version 2) in FDE and swapped out the CAA cheek weld & pistol tube QD cover - which is for sale here now. Yet another switch... the the Shockwave brace
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber Last edited by glock_this; 04-13-2016 at 10:53 AM.. |
#4
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
nope, each part was selected for a reason
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
was not ideal.. I 'wanted' all tan, but (1) not as easy to come by and (2) I got a great deal on the combo setup and since this gun was a color combo, I was cool with it.
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#7
|
||||
|
||||
I have several firends that often find a bunch of parts in their closet or wherever they store their AR parts and will simply build another AR for the heck of it. I was not bashing you for it, just me being funny.
-Gio
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ |
#8
|
||||
|
||||
yeah thanks.. it helped for stability and to take up space and make pressure on the buffer tube
another thing I noticed is for the KAC hand stop.. if you try to run Magpul rail ladders flush up to it like I did, you can't fit the QR swivel sling mount into the hole.
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber Last edited by glock_this; 01-03-2010 at 6:45 AM.. |
#9
|
||||
|
||||
no worries.. not offended. I knew I wanted color, I could see the perception of some on how it might look, as most of us like the traditional black on black, but it is exactly what I wanted to build this time around
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#13
|
||||
|
||||
Very cool, but I'd lose the CAA Stock Saddle in a hurry. There is a reason you're not supposed to be able to attach anything to a pistol tube buffer, and the fact that it is called a "Stock Saddle" doesn't help at all. That is waaaaaaaaaaay to close to being considered an SBR, unless you want to be a test case.
Last edited by John Browning; 01-03-2010 at 8:38 AM.. |
#14
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
get me a legit definition and law mention and I will give it some thought. fact is, it is not a "stock". The fact it has the word "stock" in it does not make it a stock. it has the word "saddle" in it, and it is not a saddle. You can't, by the design of that product and adding it to your buffer tube, use it as a "stock" and place it on up against your "shoulder" - what a stock is. if you place it on your shoulder, your placing the buffer tube on your shoulder, not this device. this CAA stock saddle being on does not change that at all and is not up against your shoulder.
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber Last edited by glock_this; 01-03-2010 at 1:26 PM.. |
#15
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Last edited by John Browning; 01-03-2010 at 1:43 PM.. |
#16
|
||||
|
||||
Case law in the making right here...
__________________
|
#17
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
really, there are so many things anyone could point at that "could" be an issue because they have never had official word or comment from "the authorities". Heck, early on the bullet button was a questionable device. now it is so ubiquitous, but still vague as IIRC there was never any official word it was legal and cool to own.. maybe 1 quote from 1 person on the inside, but nothing official if IIRC. "the authorities" have mostly been mute on many questionable areas, but we keep plodding forward. some are so obvious, like putting a VFG on a pistol we know, for a fact, that is a no go. heck, look at the KAC hand stop... that, by some, is a concern.. though it is not a VFG. get it? this debate is endless and someone always tosses out the "if you wanna be a test case...." - I have no issues removing it if a definitive law or ruling or opinion backed by a bigger brain on the law pipes in. but in this instance with this device, a "maybe" "could" "possibly" - but with no clear law standard, it is hard to get super worried.
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#18
|
||||
|
||||
then you need to go back to the AR pistol thread and let the 20 other guys that did it before me know also heck, maybe I should start a poll on the topic like people did for the new Magpul AFG - even that is hotly debated
anyway.. enough of the hijack topic
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber Last edited by glock_this; 01-03-2010 at 1:49 PM.. |
#20
|
||||
|
||||
hey thanks.. my plan was going to PM you when I posted - given all we went through on yours - but I totally forgot.
turned out pretty nice. plan to fire it wed night if all works out
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
As far as the CAA Stock saddle is concerned...WHen I listed my AR pistol for sale I had about 20 pms from different people telling me I should take it off because I was creating an SBR....I got the CAA Stock saddle idea from another Calgun member and I remember seeing on a thread where there was a letter written to the DOJ or BATF asking about the saddle being on an AR pistol and it was okay. Hope that helps.
|
#22
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#24
|
||||
|
||||
looks sweet man. I think the "stock saddle" makes it look awesome. One of the things that turned me off of an AR pistol was the buffer tube, i thought it made the gun completely fugly!! this actually makes it look nice.....maybe i WILL have to build an AR pistol after all.......my wife and my wallet now hate you
__________________
Most civilization is based on cowardice. It's so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. You water down the standards which would lead to bravery. You restrain the will. You regulate the appetites. You fence in the horizons. You make a law for every movement. You deny the existence of chaos. You teach even the children to breathe slowly. You tame. People Should Not Be Afraid Of Their Governments, Governments Should Be Afraid Of Their People ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Nice work Glock. Ignore the haters and the keyboard lawyers, one of the first things I learned on Calguns was if someone can't actually give the PC or the exact wording of the law you are breaking then they are a full of ****. It isn't a stock and you won't be a test case. The ATF has far better things to do then knock down doors of law abiding citizens because the object on the end of their extention tube may or may not be a stock, but kind of is even though it has saddle in the name etc etc etc.
So how do you like the TRX? I have been digging them for a while, I tried to order one but Troy told me they sold out for the holidays. Very lightweight huh? How do you like the Neverquit grip, I was definetly going to throw that on my AR pistol as well. |
#26
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
as for price.. forget buying direct, there is a cat selling on eBay at crazy prices on those Troy TRX rails - extreme and standard. he can't be beat. period. I know, I shopped. the Neverquit... this idea always intrigued me and I do not see it as handy on a full rifle, and would not likely have bought one, but when I DROS'd my pistol they had one sitting there so we slapped it on and I was sold instantly as I do think that in a smaller pistol setup, I am more likely to grab the magwell as doing so just "feels right". My hands tend to sweat - which is why I use only rubber grips - so the tacky rubber of the Neverquit and its finger grooved and bowed out profile fit great for me. so it was xmas and I said WTF.. we will see but I would be surprised if it is an issue.
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Heh. Some people are way overcautious. If you can use foam or rubber cane tips on it then how can you not put this. This object isn't a stock, it isn't even designed to make anythign shoulder fired, it is an accessory for cheek weld.
Quote:
Very nice work. Where are you planning to test her out? |
#28
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I will be shooting it at Iron Sights in O'side.. closest place to me. Need to sight it in - laser, red dot and MBUS's - and see how it fires.
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#29
|
||||
|
||||
That's a sexy handgun you built. Very well done.
__________________
Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet! (Stonewall Jackson's reply to Colonel B.E. Bee when he reported that the enemy were beating them back. At the first battle of Bull Run, July 1861) VCDL Member Retired Navy CPO |
#30
|
||||
|
||||
Can you do me a favor?
Can you measure the ID of the TROY rail? I can see that the KX3 goes inside of it but how much wiggle room is there? Is it at least 1.5+?
__________________
California Uber Alles, California Uber Alles Uber Alles California, Uber Alles California I am Governor Jerry Brown, My aura smiles and never frowns, Soon I will be President... |
#31
|
||||
|
||||
great head on photo of the ID
ID is about 1.53 and the pig is a pretty close fit, 1.38, but fits no prob
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
#32
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
California Uber Alles, California Uber Alles Uber Alles California, Uber Alles California I am Governor Jerry Brown, My aura smiles and never frowns, Soon I will be President... |
#36
|
||||
|
||||
Very nice job, glock_this! I wouldn't worry too much about the stock saddle being a problem, either, considering that ATFE has issued a letter which appears to state that putting a crutch tip on the end of an AR pistol buffer tube doesn't make it a buttstock.
__________________
I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy! |
#37
|
||||
|
||||
huh? you mean "rails" or Magpul ladders or what?
Quote:
__________________
10 +1 in the chamber |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|