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Quite a few people wouldn't be too sad if US Marshals showed up at her office with a federal warrant.
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It would be great if this would coincide with the events from the "Any Updates on Cal-Guns fight against the High Cap magazine ban..." thread in the main 2A forum.
Getting a CCW with standard(high) capacity magazines in Santa Clara County would be quite the impressive feat.
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Can one of the people in the know respond back and tell us SCC CCW is 2 weeks away still? Just so we know we haven't been forgotten about.
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Anyone been reading the "good cause" statements for other counties? I certainly haven't read them all, but I see a lot of "I own my own business, carry large sums of cash (or valuable equipment), and travel through bad parts of town at odd hours" type statements. I'm having a tough time visualizing how I would adapt most of these statements to my current situation.
For the majority of us who probably don't own a business and who probably live in a somewhat decent part of town and try to avoid the bad areas, I'm wondering if there will be a good cause statement that doesn't require some very creative wording....
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jeeze, if we got reliable good cause statements in Santa Clara...
well, that would be super rad, but also totally awful! why? i'd have to buy or build a nice carry piece! i swear, you people are so shortsighted, don't you know there's an economic crunch on?! - emilio |
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I would like to hear from the conspicuously silent Brandon on what the next steps will be once GC Statements are available. Do we find one that was approved that hopefully is similar to our own situation and apply? And if we are rejected then sue? Or something entirely different. I just don't know. PS: I think you are the shortsighted one. I already have my three carry pieces, ready to list on my application. What have you been doing the past few years during all the hype and build up?
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I'm betting that Peruta screwed us because in that case, they ruled (in essence, as I recall) that "equal protection" as applied to the CCW process only works when both the written GC statement and the oral interview contain essentially the same things.
If there's no formal record of the oral interviews then the SD can claim, without any evidence, that what you said in your oral interview differs substantially from what was said in the oral interview of the person whose good cause statement you're using as a basis for yours. And since they're a law enforcement agency, I'm sure they will be taken at their word on that. If there is a formal record of the interview, then as long as the record isn't a full recording of the interview itself, the information that gets recorded will be at the discretion of the interviewer, and that means the interviewer can ensure that what they record for your is not the same as what was recorded for the person you're using as a reference for your good cause statement. No, I strongly suspect (but have no proof) that we're pretty much done in Santa Clara and other "stronghold" counties. I strongly suspect that Peruta put a spike through the heart of any "equal protection" challenges that might be brought forth. That means we have to wait for Richards or some other case to hit the Supreme Court (you don't really think the 9th is going to rule in our favor in Richards, do you?). And even after that, as long as the Sheriff has any discretion, they'll use it against us. For instance, they may have to accept "self defense" as a good cause statement, but that does not mean that they can't refuse to issue on the basis of "good moral character". And Richards doesn't touch on that at all that I know of.
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Then not to sound totally bitter (which I will), but here's hoping for cuts to the Sheriff's department similar to what's being talked about for the SJPD. Since they have no duty to protect us and won't let us protect ourselves then here's to hoping we get rid of most of them and maybe spend our money elsewhere...
Oh, and thanks Peruta. Thanks so much.... |
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That was, I believe, the critical mistake of the Peruta case, when there's facts in dispute, you always want a trial to flesh out the facts. This is why the Perry case involving Proposition 8 worked out so well for the plaintiffs, because they had a trial. Brandon went into great detail in another Peruta thread about "giving San Diego enough rope to hang the plaintiff". That is precisely what happened there. Guillory v. Gates, at it's core, was about not being able to put the Sheriff and his employees on the witness stand to question about equal protection issues and oral interviews. Quote:
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Interestingly enough, though, Santa Clara doesn't appear to be such a county. And that really makes one wonder what's holding things up there, doesn't it?
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Chess, not checkers. Btw, the gathering of good cause data is independent of equal protection litigation (of which I'm not aware of any such litigation in particular with Santa Clara). Such litigations would have such good cause data, under seal with full names, whereas the CGF Initiative Effort purely wants the good cause out there without the use of names or other personally identifying data. Ye of little faith. Last edited by Gray Peterson; 02-16-2011 at 1:55 PM.. |
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We're delving into a realm of speculation about equal protection, given the cryptic statements of Billy Jack in terms of his website and his "Do you know the way to San Jose". Let's make sure we separate out those issues in our discussions, OK? Last edited by Gray Peterson; 02-16-2011 at 2:32 PM.. |
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is there any use in applying now, knowing it will likely be rejected? that is, can we learn anything useful? is there a desire to have rejected CCW applicants from various socioeconomic and political backgrounds? Quote:
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Get a good CCW carry rig and practice carrying it around in your home or wherever else it's legal to do so.
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I can't say how likely it is that any such person is going to be willing to testify in court in order to keep their privilege "special", but I would imagine that the motivation to do so is significant. Possibly not as significant as the motivation to avoid testifying, however... Remember that the sitting sheriff will be explaining to the politically powerful people in question that if he capitulates, they lose their "special" status as regards CCW. And those politically powerful people wouldn't want to be around a bunch of ordinary joes carrying firearms, now would they? Quote:
Were it not for that, the sheriff would be able to deny the permit of the "non special" person even if that person's "good cause" were identical to that of someone who was issued a permit. Which is to say, the "sunshine initiative" can't do any real good without the "equal protection" teeth behind it. It can't help politically because sitting sheriffs are essentially undefeatable at the polls. Unless, of course, there's something critical that I'm missing here... Quote:
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If & when they decide. I'm ready to apply... I'm also ready with my new Glock 39!
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Would that be Emilio Castanan?
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Somebody help me with my ignorance, but what exactly is the driving force causing counties such as Sacramento and perhaps even our county of Santa Clara to move to a "shall issue" stance on CCW? It's certainly not out of the kindness of their heart
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Reading this http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.p...ccw-initiative should give you a start on all the issues involved.
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I suspect you guys are holding the GC statements back for some reason. Can you let us in on the secret?
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Alternatively, do you need more volunteers to work on redacting the applications?
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Living in Mountain View, I just called to have the department mail me their CCW policy. Should I hold off following up with them directly until I see something posted here?
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Not commenting directly on your question, plz do provide us a copy of what you receive... I also am in Mountain View and am well interested in what they claim their policy is.
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Should we start getting our applications ready?
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Looks like they haven't published an opinion yet this year. Any idea on how long this usually takes?
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Seriously though, is CGF in possession of the documents or is the SO not providing them? |
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CGF Supported: Scocca v. Smith (Santa Clara Carry Equal Protection, Sunshine)
http://http://www.calguns.net/calgun...d.php?t=412790
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We have the good cause statements, and they will be published shortly now. -Brandon
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