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Old 08-10-2017, 10:08 AM
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Customer brings me today DMV vehicle registration, he's responsible and pays his bills when they come in, so this one is dated valid from 8-31-17 to 8-31-18 today is 8-10-17 can I take this? Its technically not valid as of today. Let me know
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As far as I know has to be current

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I would ask if he an old one, just to be safe. I don't trust the government.

How do you prove he did not bring it in after the transfer?
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The way that dmv renew your registration is it doesn't matter if you pay early your registration will still reflect the actual renewal date. A copy of the old registration with the new registration would make me feel at ease.
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FWIW - I just had the same experience as the person DROSing a firearm. I DROS'd last week on Thursday, but my new car registration was not valid until today (8/10/17-8/10/18) my FFL just copied my old and new car registration since my old registration would expire during my 10 day waiting period. So far I haven't heard anything from him running into any issues. I'll find out on the 14th to see if there was any issues.
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There would not be an issue until an audit, then it is too late for the FFL.
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Pretty simple stuff. At the top of the registration is says "valid from"

DMV and LE will allow it because they have computer access to any issue in regards to DMV.

We only take the one that is valid at purchase. We send people out to find something else or they can wait till the new reg. is valid.

They don't like it, they whine, they say "but" Then i show them the "valid" dates and they understand when i show them the law. Theyre buying a gun not driving a car in this case.
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I saw this exact situation at my LGS just last weekend, the FFL explained that because that waiting period went from before the expiration of old reg and ended in the new reg time line he would need copies of both, made perfect sense to me and the customer.
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I guess I'm in the minority. I take it because there's another date on it stating when they paid for it and the new reg date typically falls in line for when they would pick up. It's only happened maybe a few times so I'm not 100% certain if that's an audit issue or not.

Also, sometimes people forget to bring their POR when they start DROS and we let them bring it in before we release firearm. There's been a few like that where the DMV reg was current at pickup time (when we got the doc), but may not have been at start of DROS.
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I guess I'm in the minority. I take it because there's another date on it stating when they paid for it and the new reg date typically falls in line for when they would pick up. It's only happened maybe a few times so I'm not 100% certain if that's an audit issue or not.

Also, sometimes people forget to bring their POR when they start DROS and we let them bring it in before we release firearm. There's been a few like that where the DMV reg was current at pickup time (when we got the doc), but may not have been at start of DROS.
I've had people bring in registration that was new and wasn't valid for another 5-6 weeks as a start date. Car registration clearly says "valid between these dates". The regulations clearly say "valid car reg".

In the spirit of things I would say a newly issued reg SHOULD suffice as it's good enough for DMV and LE but, well,
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I've had people bring in registration that was new and wasn't valid for another 5-6 weeks as a start date. Car registration clearly says "valid between these dates". The regulations clearly say "valid car reg".

In the spirit of things I would say a newly issued reg SHOULD suffice as it's good enough for DMV and LE but, well,
I never had any that far out..was typically a few days away..

In the example of the registration dates I'm assuming that you are only accepting if the start date is pre-DROS date, correct?

Luckily, as I mentioned, I can only recall a couple that happened like that and most of them probably have been shredded by now (> 3 years).
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I never had any that far out..was typically a few days away..

In the example of the registration dates I'm assuming that you are only accepting if the start date is pre-DROS date, correct?

Luckily, as I mentioned, I can only recall a couple that happened like that and most of them probably have been shredded by now (> 3 years).
Yes, We make sure everything is valid at the time we start DROS. Pick up is inconsequential. They have 20 more days to pick up so it seems to me that validity is based upon the submission date.
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I think that being valid either time should be acceptable, but it is best if it is both times since you don't know what the person auditing thinks.
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I should note that when it comes to the ATF proof of residency (DL or ID not reflecting a current address or PO box) we won't start DROS or allow a 4473 to be filled without that document current and present.
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I think that being valid either time should be acceptable, but it is best if it is both times since you don't know what the person auditing thinks.
I don't disagree. I can't say I'm right, but once the gun is "deliverable" would you compel a purchaser to produce more documents on their, let's say 29th day?

Especially when all docs were current at time of DROS. Much like a drivers license. If it was invalid, it would be DMV rejected (without renewal of course)

Also based on the "DL swipe rules" we must follow prior to the manual entry.

You make a good point though as a CYA
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At our last audit, dmv reg had to be valid at start of DROS.
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At our last audit, dmv reg had to be valid at start of DROS.
Good to know..we'll watch our for that now.
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Off topic, but wouldn't it be nice since the DES reads the entire ID/DL, that they would look at the expiration date and flag it? One time I was not paying attention and didn't notice until I went to write it down on the 4473, but after submitting the DROS, it is too late..
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Off topic, but wouldn't it be nice since the DES reads the entire ID/DL, that they would look at the expiration date and flag it? One time I was not paying attention and didn't notice until I went to write it down on the 4473, but after submitting the DROS, it is too late..
It would be nice if they could read the friggen comments...OR Maybe trust that when we put the exception of the Hunting License that it is in fact valid and stop calling me to verify expiration dates of hunting licenses for visa holders.

It's not like they call me asking about LEO credentials whenever I choose an LEO exemption for FSC.
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It would be nice if they could read the friggen comments...OR Maybe trust that when we put the exception of the Hunting License that it is in fact valid and stop calling me to verify expiration dates of hunting licenses for visa holders.
Perhaps they have had a lot of violations, but then they should require the dates for the hunting license.

I have heard that they can't see the comments.

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They don't typically call for the dates for proof of residency or anything else.
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Perhaps they have had a lot of violations, but then they should require the dates for the hunting license.

I have heard that they can't see the comments.



They don't typically call for the dates for proof of residency or anything else.
They can see the comments (I was told they could). I put the state of license who issued and expiration date and don't get called. If it's not put in they seem to call.

I also use it for rifles not on they're drop down for manufacturer (custom) However I also put it in the model box with model.

I generally don't get calls when a CA license is used probably because the license scheme is available to DOJ to check.

On another note, I have no idea why a hunting license can't be considered a government issued document now that IT IS a government issued document. Even if you get it from Big 5 it comes off the fish and game website from fish and game hardware and software. Plus when you get one from a vendor, they are an official agent of the state.
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Why is a CA ID/DL not proof of residency for handguns, but it is for long guns. A person can get a NFS fire permit which works, but the address is based off of the ID.

Would a DROS work within the 30 days?

It does seem like a hunting license should be ok. Some are directly from the state, I believe.
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They can see the comments (I was told they could). I put the state of license who issued and expiration date and don't get called. If it's not put in they seem to call.

I also use it for rifles not on they're drop down for manufacturer (custom) However I also put it in the model box with model.

I generally don't get calls when a CA license is used probably because the license scheme is available to DOJ to check.

On another note, I have no idea why a hunting license can't be considered a government issued document now that IT IS a government issued document. Even if you get it from Big 5 it comes off the fish and game website from fish and game hardware and software. Plus when you get one from a vendor, they are an official agent of the state.
THey told me the opposite. They had called me on one Visa holder Hunting License expiradtion date (it was in the comments) and I asked them - can't you see the info in the comments? "No".. so either they lied to me or lied to you.. and if they lied to me then they keep not being able to see it.

Likewise, if it's a US citizen that I use the HUnting license exemption for they NEVER call.
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Why is a CA ID/DL not proof of residency for handguns, but it is for long guns. A person can get a NFS fire permit which works, but the address is based off of the ID.

Would a DROS work within the 30 days?

It does seem like a hunting license should be ok. Some are directly from the state, I believe.
No matter where you receive the hunting license it is California state issued now. Every hunter even has their own personal "GO ID# that stays with you. I'm an avid hunter.

7 or so years ago, the licenses were purchased and you filled out your own information on it with a pen. There was no data base. Now there is chronological history of everything you harvest and tags/stamps/licenses purchased. Everything is in a government data base with MANDATORY harvest reports.
Even if you change address your GO ID# stays with you. Really no different than a drivers license minus the picture and it's only good for a year.
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THey told me the opposite. They had called me on one Visa holder Hunting License expiradtion date (it was in the comments) and I asked them - can't you see the info in the comments? "No".. so either they lied to me or lied to you.. and if they lied to me then they keep not being able to see it.

Likewise, if it's a US citizen that I use the HUnting license exemption for they NEVER call.
If they can't see it, what's the point of using it or having it there? I find it hard to believe they don't see or have access to the same screen we have.

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I saw this exact situation at my LGS just last weekend, the FFL explained that because that waiting period went from before the expiration of old reg and ended in the new reg time line he would need copies of both, made perfect sense to me and the customer.
I'm kind of confused on this... My LGS will let you buy it without proof of residency but you can't pick it up after the wait period unless you bring your proof with you.
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I'm kind of confused on this... My LGS will let you buy it without proof of residency but you can't pick it up after the wait period unless you bring your proof with you.
I was at Turners last week and saw them do this too. We won't do it here anymore because our DOJ inspector has mentioned this to us and the first thing they checked when here was our active DROS's to make sure we got all the right paperwork. Not to mention the waste of time it creates when somebody comes back without the proper documents and wants to pick up their gun. When we call you about your transfer we are very descriptive of what is acceptable to bring for your transfer. And, we still have people show up with the wrong stuff all the time.
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I was at Turners last week and saw them do this too. We won't do it here anymore because our DOJ inspector has mentioned this to us and the first thing they checked when here was our active DROS's to make sure we got all the right paperwork. Not to mention the waste of time it creates when somebody comes back without the proper documents and wants to pick up their gun. When we call you about your transfer we are very descriptive of what is acceptable to bring for your transfer. And, we still have people show up with the wrong stuff all the time.
So, by not getting ALL docs upon DROS, was this a violation or a recomendation? Just asking because stores have been doing this for a long time.
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There would not be an issue until an audit, then it is too late for the FFL.
^^^ this -- from my understanding of the 2nd proof of residency it is for the gun shop if ATF decides to audit them
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First off ATF doesn't require proof of residency. Ca requires on handgun purchases that proof of residency in ca is required. It has nothing to do with what may happen or not while we are being inspected for compliance.
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Hmmm, the BATF certainly requires proof of residency, such as a government ID/DL. If that does not have the current residence address, then a government document is needed.

The only real difference is that CA does not require the proof of residency to be a government document and for handguns it does not accept a CA ID/DL.
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Hmmm, the BATF certainly requires proof of residency, such as a government ID/DL. If that does not have the current residence address, then a government document is needed.

The only real difference is that CA does not require the proof of residency to be a government document and for handguns it does not accept a CA ID/DL.
I would argue that ATF requires "proof of address". Proof of address and proof of residency are two different things. The ID/DL can prove identity and address as required by ATF. 'proof of residency' is not wording used by the ATF. The phrase used by ATF would be "Before the licensee may sell or deliver a firearm to a nonlicensee, the licensee must establish the identity, place of residence, and age of the transferee/buyer."

My argument is that the wording "proof of residency" is something we associate with DOJ. And the two are commonly confused.
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I would argue that ATF requires "proof of address". Proof of address and proof of residency are two different things. The ID/DL can prove identity and address as required by ATF. 'proof of residency' is not wording used by the ATF. The phrase used by ATF would be "Before the licensee may sell or deliver a firearm to a nonlicensee, the licensee must establish the identity, place of residence, and age of the transferee/buyer."

My argument is that the wording "proof of residency" is something we associate with DOJ. And the two are commonly confused.
Say what?

There is no proof of address, it is residence. If you want to argue residence vs residency, fine, but it is basically the same. The wording is slightly different, but the concept is the same.

Do you really want to try to claim that proof of residency is different than documentation of the residence address?
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