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Old 11-01-2018, 4:44 PM
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I thought I was going to hate my thordsen stock... but its surprisingly natural. Easy to shoot, easy to aim, comfortable to hold. Its about 90% as good as a normal pistol grip AR. If anything, I wish it was a little longer, but no big deal.

From that point, I cant imagine giving up a real magazine release for some goofy lock just to keep a flash hider. Seems like such a poor compromise.
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That is unless your flash hider is pinned and welded.
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I thought I was going to hate my thordsen stock... but its surprisingly natural. Easy to shoot, easy to aim, comfortable to hold. Its about 90% as good as a normal pistol grip AR. If anything, I wish it was a little longer, but no big deal.

From that point, I cant imagine giving up a real magazine release for some goofy lock just to keep a flash hider. Seems like such a poor compromise.
The problem is it’s ugly though. As Protohyp has shown, practice is what makes one quick with thier tool. Heck, I’d bet my britches ~80% or more of AR owners in other states with standard AR’s can’t change a mag in 2 secs...

For me I don’t run competitive competition, or am in Iraq where the difference in even 6-10secs is gonna matter. So options, looks/mil-spec closeness, and reliability is most important to me.
Thanks for doing this though...
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The problem is it’s ugly though. As Protohyp has shown, practice is what makes one quick with thier tool. Heck, I’d bet my britches ~80% or more of AR owners in other states with standard AR’s can’t change a mag in 2 secs...

For me I don’t run competitive competition, or am in Iraq where the difference in even 6-10secs is gonna matter. So options, looks/mil-spec closeness, and reliability is most important to me.
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Thanks Flying.

Many good points here in your post and the point is too each his own. Its funny the same people show up in compliant threads and have such disdain for them and its really pointless to argue. We get their point (sort of) but its time to move on.

I designed the Hyperswitch and the Kingpin for me. For the way that I train and for the way that I operate and manipulate a rifle. If the rest of the community catches on then great.

The one thing that I've learned is that when I'm manipulating these other devices I try to operate them exactly like I operate the Kingpin and AR Maglock Gen 2 and it just doesn't work that way while in theory it should.

I mean I'm pushing a button here and then pulling a lever there and while they all in theory do the same thing at different speeds if you don't practice using that tool does it even matter?

Speed is one of the components of my test but speed has diminishing returns if you ultimately can't put shots on target. I have literally logged 30,000 rounds or so testing just my products alone just to get to a manipulation vs actually focusing on putting that round on its intended target. I would much rather be putting those rounds into actual training regardless if I'm a competitor shooter or in Iraq which I am neither. BTW guys in all those rounds of really running my gun into the ground, only ONCE did I encounter a double feed/failure to eject and it was caught on camera. So while double feed clearing is a concern keep your ammo and tool running in good condition. That will ensure that you dont encounter this catastrophic failure to maglock devices.

I've pretty much finished filming the installation and function videos and its going to upset a lot of people because its unscripted and I fumble for words but I think you can imagine how much time this is all taking. I will edit and leave in the most important parts. I spent a lot of time in actually hacking some of the systems to make them even faster. So you Quick Pin guys...I have a great hack for you to make that system pretty f'in fast.

Heading to my buddy's range today to do the live fire portion of the video and while I somehow injured my knee I will try to really put these things through their paces.

Stay tuned...and to the staunch featureless guys we will be eagerly waiting for your videos......

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Although I went the featureless route, I’m open to other options. In particular, I have one AR set up for varmints and it’s awkward/heavy with the back fin grip I have. I know there are (arguably) better grip options out there to keep it featureless but getting back to a standard grip would be ideal on this build.

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subscribed since i had to drill out my maglock last night and now i'm in the market for another device to go along with my kingpin.

really wish there was an automatic solution (a la gen3 or safemag) for a limited opening pin like the kingpin or jt.
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subscribed since i had to drill out my maglock last night and now i'm in the market for another device to go along with my kingpin.

really wish there was an automatic solution (a la gen3 or safemag) for a limited opening pin like the kingpin or jt.


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I just finished six hours of unscripted filming and as I said before it may upset a lot of people because I stutter, stumble and fumble but I think I get the points across. I will edit through the weekend and compile it into something that will hopefully be watchable but it will be a long video that covers a lot of information so you might need to watch it in a couple of sittings


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I just finished six hours of unscripted filming and as I said before it may upset a lot of people because I stutter, stumble and fumble but I think I get the points across. I will edit through the weekend and compile it into something that will hopefully be watchable but it will be a long video that covers a lot of information so you might need to watch it in a couple of sittings


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I watched some superlong comparison of comps and brakes before. Fun to watch not so fun to make. I can imagine the tedium and work that goes into something like this. Thanks protohyp
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I watched some superlong comparison of comps and brakes before. Fun to watch not so fun to make. I can imagine the tedium and work that goes into something like this. Thanks protohyp


I think I saw that same comparison but because I was so interested to know I could sit through it. It is tedious but really interesting to see how others approach the same idea so t speak. I had only seen the other devices at a distance since I spent so much time developing Kingpin and Hyperswitch but now that I’ve spent some time with the competition it really interesting to see what goes on in the minds of other engineers


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Alright Guys.


I've finished all the filming and am now at the editing portion and I have to say (and there really is no way around it) that it is LONG!

I have just finished editing just the installation portion and that's almost 2 hours long.

I cover A LOT of material on each device. I essentially broke it down to the first portion just going over Fixed Mag devices and the Maglock devices and their installation and yes that includes installing a Hogue Freedom Fighter kit. Then I go over rear takedown pins separately.

That puts me at the 1:45 mark even before live fire and performance hacks on some of the systems.

I will put time stamps on all the different devices so if you only want to know about one you'll know exactly where to scrub forward to in the video.

I did mention that this would be a very comprehensive breakdown so bear with me as I continue to get this all put together.
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Looking forward to the screening Protohyp. Will be great to see comparisons and perhaps improvements & hacks on any of the devices
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Screening...Haha...I like that...like its up at Titanic and Dances with Wolves epic right now.
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looking forward to the video.

since i just saw that franklin armory ar pistol being listed on roster, i am in need now for a mag locking device that will be as quick as a regular mag release. (since featureless isnt an option for AR pistols)
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Screening...Haha...I like that...like its up at Titanic and Dances with Wolves epic right now.
Heck...make it a mini series

Episode 1: The Suspects
Episode 2: The Shootout
Episode 3: Fixes & Hacks
Episode 4: The Verdict

Ok, I will take my Producer hat off now :-)
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Episode 1: The Suspects

Episode 2: The Shootout

Episode 3: Fixes & Hacks

Episode 4: The Verdict



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protohyp...thank you for doing this; it's a ton of work!
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Video uploaded onto my youtube. link is in first post.
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2.5 hrs?!?! Edited?!?
Imagine what didnt make it
thats some commitment to the cause.
Thank you!

Btw. Time stamp links dont work. Maybe its my device, dunno.

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2.5 hrs?!?! Edited?!?
Imagine what didnt make it
thats some commitment to the cause.
Thank you!

Btw. Time stamp links dont work. Maybe its my device, dunno.
Thanks....

it was working from my computer.
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time stamps work here too on my pc.

i did notice a slight sound desync with the video. the sound is about half a second faster than video.

not enough to distract from the info, but a fyi in case you can make that adjustment within youtube.
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time stamps work here too on my pc.

i did notice a slight sound desync with the video. the sound is about half a second faster than video.

not enough to distract from the info, but a fyi in case you can make that adjustment within youtube.
interesting. I'm not getting that delay on my computer.
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So why some of them require you to have the mag inserted prior to closing the receiver? Im missing that part of compliance.

Also, thoughts on using the vytamenc with a kingpin? Seems the upper only needs to be minimally opened to work
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So why some of them require you to have the mag inserted prior to closing the receiver? Im missing that part of compliance.

Also, thoughts on using the vytamenc with a kingpin? Seems the upper only needs to be minimally opened to work
in the video he did say that the vytamenc can work with any of the minimal opening rear takedown pins.

he just used whatever was installed since as he also said, he only have so many rifle lowers to install the various combos on
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Also, thoughts on using the vytamenc with a kingpin? Seems the upper only needs to be minimally opened to work


All of them require inserting a magazine prior to closing. A rifle can’t have the ability to accept a detachable magazine since it’s no longer fixed with the receivers closed on each other.

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Where does it specifically say that?
In the assault weapon law, in the penal code.

It says that if it is semiauto, and has features, then it MUST have a fixed magazine.

"No magazine" means that it does not have a fixed magazine.

Therefore, it must have a magazine in it at ALL times, unless the action is disassembled. This includes during storage and transportation. It always needs to have a magazine in it while the action is assembled.

Opening the action makes it temporarily no longer semiauto, so that is the only time you may have the magazine removed.

If you close the action, then insert the mag, then for that brief second or two where it does not have a fixed magazine installed, you will be in possession of an AW.

A fixed-magazine device by itself does not count as having a fixed magazine, if the magazine isn't also installed.

An armaglock by itself, for example, isn't a fixed magazine. It's just a button.
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In the assault weapon law, in the penal code.

It says that if it is semiauto, and has features, then if MUST have a fixed magazine.

"No magazine" means that it does not have a fixed magazine.

Therefore, it must have a magazine in it at ALL times, unless the action is disassembled. This includes during storage and transportation. It always needs to have a magazine in it while the action is assembled.

Opening the action makes it temporarily no longer semiauto, so that is the only time you may have the magazine removed.

If you close the action, then insert the mag, then for that brief second or two where it does not have a fixed magazine installed, you will be in possession of an AW.
Yeah not dealing with that. Ill store them how they fit best in my safe.

Again show me where it specifically says that. Cant seem to see where it says that you have to have a magazine inserted at all times.
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Yeah not dealing with that. Ill store them how they fit best in my safe.

Again show me where it specifically says that. Cant seem to see where it says that you have to have a magazine inserted at all times.
I'm on my phone so I can't right now, but it's right there in the penal code for the AW ban. It's like the first line, spelled out in plain English: "an assault weapon is a semiauto center-fire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine and has evil features".

If a rifle does not have a magazine, then it does not have a fixed magazine.

It's not just my interpretation of the law, it's written very clearly in plain English, and really isn't open to interpretation.

It doesn't say the rifle needs a "magazine fixing device installed", it says that it needs a magazine, and that the magazine needs to be fixed.

If your rifles don't fit in your safe with the mags installed, and you care about complying with the law (maybe you don't, and that's fine too), then you should consider shorter mags, or storing the rifle with the receivers separated, or switching to a featureless configuration.
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Yeah not dealing with that. Ill store them how they fit best in my safe.

Again show me where it specifically says that. Cant seem to see where it says that you have to have a magazine inserted at all times.
As cockedandglocked mentioned, I specifically bought 10rnd pmags as they fit almost flush in the magwell for safe fitment and softcase transport. Once I get to the range those get tossed in the bag, and I shoot with my 10/30 hexmags...
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For transport I remove the magazine, remove the takedown pin, open the receiver and then reinsert the takedown pin. It can no longer close.

I personally don’t like having magazines inserted during transport


In the safe they are locked loaded and ready to go.

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So if i understand that correctly every featured ar in a gun store has a mag in it right now?
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So if i understand that correctly every featured ar in a gun store has a mag in it right now?
In all the stores i’ve visited, yes.
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Any reason why our Drop in Fixed Magazine wasn't used? I believe it is one of the least expensive ways to comply.
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