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why does CRPA support Stan Sniff? is it because CRPA activists are on his Inner Circle?


"Riverside Sheriff Stan Sniff Is Working To Expedite CCW Issuance! As many of you know, the wait time for a CCW in Riverside County is now two years. Despite having a pro-CCW sheriff, years of budget cuts combined with an ever-growing demand for CCWs has resulted in a backlog of CCW applications."

Sniff is NOT pro-CCW. he is a May-Issue troglodyte who created the 2 year backlog.

it's time for CRPA to fight for the rights of all Californians, not just those on their Inner Circle. Remember 2014
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Old 04-28-2018, 9:12 AM
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The best way to send a strong message is vote Bianco in. I think it's only fair that they ( CRPA ) give a little exposure to Bianca's statement that he would except self defense as a good cause. Sniff is better than many, Bianco is better than Sniff.

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Another thread asking the same question. CRPA Voting Endorsement for Stan Sniff???

What does the CRPA spokesperson say?

As was posted, Sniff is not as restrictive as the SF county sheriff, but he's by no means "pro-ccw".

No comments so far from CRPA that I can find.
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No one home at CRPA?
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I asked Chuck Michel on his facebook page, same thing. Crickets.....
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...and still waiting for the reason(s) why Stan Sniff is CRPA's recommendation for sheriff.
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poor Hanko i suspect you have a long wait coming.
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poor Hanko i suspect you have a long wait coming.
Tks for the support.

Are we looking at possibly infuriating the NRA H.Paul.Whomever?

If indeed Sniff is, as the CPRA writes, is "pro-CCW", then why indeed does he require a pile of excess paperwork when one applies for a CCW?
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that is so he can claim the support and still block you by burying you in a ton of extra paperwork/fees that are useless. It is kind of like saying "I am pro 2 second amendment and push gun rights to make us equal to other states but in the meantime i am going to bury you under useless paper work and high fees so i make the ant-gun people happy." I always called it being two-faced myself.
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that is so he can claim the support and still block you by burying you in a ton of extra paperwork/fees that are useless. It is kind of like saying "I am pro 2 second amendment and push gun rights to make us equal to other states but in the meantime i am going to bury you under useless paper work and high fees so i make the ant-gun people happy." I always called it being two-faced myself.
Based on what I've read as to Sniff here, during a luncheon outing where a few here endorsed him, but later changed the endorsement to a recommendation when the sheriff's recalcitrant nature was brought up...OT, but I've seen better examples of CYA from nursery school children.

So all that said, doesn't CRPA care enough about the CCW situation with Sniff to be frank with its members as to why they support him?

Do the members care enough to get a straight answer from CRPA?

Has CRPA donated to Sniff's campaign?

I would not mind if this thread were merged with the thread about gun owners eating their own...imo a perfect example.
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i do not belong to CRPA but I think you are asking very good logical intelligent questions that others should be asking or supporting. You are not asking for national secrets and the only thing I have seen so far is you might eat up someone who can't give an honest answer. But then cats tend to do that (LOL). Any organization that is not answerable to it's members should not be supported. Thanks for asking what are obviously hard questions for this organization to answer and that means their recommendations might be in question in November.
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Is Sniff going to win reelection? Does Bianca have high enough numbers and money to beat him?
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Based on what I've read as to Sniff here, during a luncheon outing where a few here endorsed him, but later changed the endorsement to a recommendation when the sheriff's recalcitrant nature was brought up...OT, but I've seen better examples of CYA from nursery school children.

So all that said, doesn't CRPA care enough about the CCW situation with Sniff to be frank with its members as to why they support him?

Do the members care enough to get a straight answer from CRPA?

Has CRPA donated to Sniff's campaign?

I would not mind if this thread were merged with the thread about gun owners eating their own...imo a perfect example.
I would mind that very much. I started this thread to call out CRPA for their traditional "Inner Circle" business model. they do not support the average gun owner in Riverside County and that fact needs to be documented for posterity.

Riverside County residents need to vote for anybody but Sniff. And those that are CRPA members need to let their membership lapse.

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Don't know this CRPA but do they have ANY ties to NRA? If so, :edit: (my guess would be) :/edit: the Sniff endorsement was crafted by Mr. Payne. Who now is having some major troubles of his own. In fact, he had to get rid of all his firearms due to a DVTRO that supposedly may become permanent. He surrendered his guns to a large Sniff campaign contributor($50K+) Mohammad Ali Mazarei... And he only turned over 5 guns... weird huh?

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I have been a member for years. I disagree with the choice of Sniff over Bianco. Having said that this all or nothing attitude gets us nothing. The CRPA does a lot of good, in the courts as well as firearms training and education. Use your head people. You don't get a new wife everytime she disagrees with you. Well maybe some of you do but it's not the best way to fix the problem. I'm sure they know people are unhappy with there choice.
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Don't know this CRPA but do they have ANY ties to NRA?
Yes they do, the CRPA is the official State Affiliate of the NRA.

As for endorsements you're flat wrong on where they come from.
The CRPA does it's own vetting and reaches it's own decisions on who to endorse. Paul Payne is not on the Board of Directors of CRPA and not involved with running the CRPA nor determining it's actions. The only entity that Paul Payne specifically directs and the only entity whose endorsements he has a hand in is the Members Councils which are an NRA program but are NOT the voice of the NRA in regards to endorsements.

Whatever personal issues Paul Payne is going through are immaterial and have no place in a discussion of who any organization endorses.




I do not deal with endorsements from CRPA, that is handled by a specific committee, so my thoughts are my own and based on observation only.

From what I've seen CRPA endorses Sheriff Sniff in part at least due to Sniff's efforts to oppose State gun restrictions in his capacity as Sheriff in the form of active opposition to bad gun laws and support of pro-2A laws.
I have seen actions in the form of letters of opposition to multiple proposed laws presented to Legislators and legislative committees and in support of CRPA backed legislation.
CCW is important but it is not the 'be all/end all' of our 2A rights and action on other fronts can be even more valuable.

My guess is that in the end the previous 2A support in Sacramento of CRPA efforts from Sniff, the fact that while not as much or as freely as we'd like he is issuing CCWs and that he is a known entity with an established working relationship on 2A rights is why he is being endorsed.

As I said this is strictly my guess not anything 'official' or even from direct knowledge nor is it an implication that Bianco would not do the same or more.
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Hmmm... still no answer from any CRPA official why they are supporting the "less than 2A:" candidate in the run for RivCo Sheriff. WTH? What backroom deal is going on here?
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You don't get a new wife everytime she disagrees with you. Well maybe some of you do but it's not the best way to fix the problem.
Yes, but would you divorce your wife if she were disloyal to you (such as cheating on you)?

This issue may rise above a mere disagreement into disloyalty because of the "give them an inch and they take 100 miles" problem we face. We need unabashed hard-liner allies now more than ever.
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I don't think endorsing a guy who is active in the NRA and state pro gun issues is being a traitor. I have met him, talked with him, seen him involved in local gun issues. He is not Scummer or Pelosi. Having said all that don't get the wrong impression. We could have things a lot worse but we could also have them a lot better. Snife is better than a no issue sheriff and Bianca is far better than Snife. We have seen Snifes way of doing it now it is time to give Bianca a chance. He has stated what he will do, now lets see if he acually does it. You don't burn your house down because you don't like the color, you repaint it.
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So the CRPA supports Sniff, but the CalGuns Foundation sues him over his CCW policies.......

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RIVERSIDE, CA (October 19, 2018) — Today, attorneys for a Riverside County resident and five public interest organizations filed a new federal lawsuit against the Sheriff Stanley Sniff and the County of Riverside over handgun carry license policies and practices that, the plaintiffs allege, are unconstitutional.
https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ri...BdOXCEHzUNRrPc
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Those that forget history, are destined to repeat it! >paraphrased<

Obviously most here have forgotten the big "SNIFFGATE" stink on CalGuns during the 2014 election cycle. Which IIRC, lasted for months and topped 2,000 posts. Most of which were definite negatives in the Sniff column.


That was then, and this is now, or is this just a rerun? Because Sniff was given undeserved endorsements and promotions at that time also. From NRA, CRPA, and CGSSA.

It is very easy to write a few letters a year claiming to be a staunch supporter of 2A, to the legislature. Who history has shown, likely don't even read them. And fill out a questionaire claiming the same, from the NRA and CRPA. While also adding your name to letters from CSSA also claiming same 2a support.

How many other politicians can you name, that claim 2a support while consistently undermining the same 2a? Sniff is just one of a very long list.

The litmus test of who is, and who is not, an actual 2A supporter; is not in letters written, or disingenuous speeches given. It is in these words, and time proven support of same.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Lets do a comparison of Sniff, and a TRUE 2A sheriff. Whose cnty BTW borders RivCo.

Sniff has been in office since Oct 2007. According to CRPA link below. He has issued less than 2,000 CCWs in his 11 yrs in office. CRPA claims he has another 450 being processed. So benefit of the doubt, lets round it up to 2,5000 CCWs in 11 yr. >>>227 per anum avg<<< Or 0.6 per day.

Has a 2+yr backlog of applicants. Has implemented many extraneous and extra legal policies, detrimental to ease of aquiring a CCW. And is given a big Hoorah by CRPA for finally hiring, just before this election cycle ONE CLERK to assist with said backlog.

Not quite what most 2A advocates would call a stellar record of support for the "KEEP AND BEAR ARMS" part of the SECOND AMENDMENT!

https://www.crpa.org/crpa-news/river...-ccw-issuance/


While at the OCSD, bordering Sniff on the south. Sandra Hutchens has been in office since June of 2008. She has issued, at last count, almost 15,000 CCWs in 10 yrs. >>>1500 per anum avg.<<< or 4.1 per day.
And has lessened all requirements to bare minimun required by state PC. And if you care to read the OCSD CCW link provided. You can go start to finish with the whole CCW process in a matter of a few weeks.

Don Barnes, the current undersheriff, who is the top favorite to take the sheriffs slot in Nov has pledged to do everything possible to facilitate CCW applications in as speedy as possible manner.

https://www.californiagunpermit.com/...in-the-oc.html

I've been an NRA LIFE MEMBER since 1979. And a LIFE MEMBER of CRPA since not long after Chuck Michel took the helm. As such, I feel entitled to disagree with bad choices for candidates they promote.

Sniff is slightly better than nothing [LASD McDonnel]. But far from a good choice as a 2A sheriff.

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packrat, great post but I'd be both shocked and pleasantly surprised if and when CRPA ever decides to respond. To me, it's suggestive of a cabal involving CRPA, H.Paul Payne (sp?), and Sheriff Sniff.
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I'm curious why new member (10-03-18) CRPA_CommunicationDept hasn't chimed in on this issue.

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Below is a copy of an Email I sent to CRPA.org today.

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I sincerely Protest the undeserved endorsement of Stan Sniff for re-election as Riverside Cnty Sheriff by CRPA. He has a history of paying lip service to NRA and CRPA to gain their support. Then only writing a few useless unread letters to Ca Legislature. Which he knows will be ignored, as they always are. If he was a true 2A supporter. He would have used his discretion granted under Ca PC to be a "SHALL ISSUE" sheriff. He made the same empty promises Re. CCW back in 2014. Gained an A rating from NRA. Then did nothing to remove all of HIS extraneous and extra legal requirements. And little to increase CCW issuance in RivCo.

Here we are, 4 yrs later and he is making the same empty promises. And again duping NRA and CRPA to gain endorsement.

Please retract CRPA support for Sniff. And support a true 2A sheriff candidate [Chad Bianco]

Sincerely XXXX XXXXXXXX,
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Now I wait.

<<<EDIT>>> I also PMed new member "CRPA_CommunicationDept", and requested that they respond to this thread.

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I'm curious why new member (10-03-18) CRPA_CommunicationDept hasn't chimed in on this issue.

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Because his last activity was on 10-15-18. Everyone didn't welcome him with open arms and start throwing money at him so he gone.
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Because his last activity was on 10-15-18. .

Yeah I noticed that today.

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Please check the issuance numbers that CRPA claims in post 22 above. Then compare them to what CRPA is claiming today.

https://www.nratv.com/videos/relentl...18DT1-lZBq2yK8

link courtesy of 'wolfwood' in the Sniff law suit thread.

Amazing how Sniff took 11 yrs to reach "almost 2,000" CCW permits.

And in less than a month, it jumped to "over 4,000".

That is "over 2,000" in a month.

2,000 permits divided by 30 days = 66.7 permits issued per day. With ZERO days off for issuing deputies.

Sorry if I sound a bit skeptical. ........< {yes, that is sarcasm}

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Just called the CRPA. Told them not to renew my Membership when it comes due in 3/19 and also told them to take me off their mailing list. This Sniff support they have given is a let down and so is their lack response to these forums. Before you say they do other things to support 2A, so do other organizations and that would have probably have had the courage to respond to concerns for supporting Sniff over Bianco. CRPA...cricketts.
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For weeks we heard from every conservative Pro 2A Constitution loving American. Just what a low life scummy unsubstantiated smear campaign the Feinswine had pulled during the Kavanaugh confirmation process.

What she did was beyond despicable. Yet when NRA and CRPA's two faced sleaseball of a preferred candidate in the RivCo sheriff's election. Out Feinswine's the witch from SanFran. All we Pro 2A citizens [and legal residents] hear is crickets after multiple requests that they come forward and explain their misfeasance for supporting Sniff.

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Sheriff Sniff Has Gay Captain Cry Crocodile Tears In Order To Steal The LGBTQ Vote

CAMPAIGN RECORDING SURFACES, EXPOSES KURLY’S STORY AS PURE FICTION

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I'm a fully paid life member of both orgs. Since 1979 with the NRA.

Not one word in reply from either. Not here on CalGuns. Not on personal Email.

Sadly disappointed in both. If you can no longer trust the NRA/CRPA to stay informed on 2A issues. And do the RIGHT THING, and support true 2A candidates.

Who can you trust with your God Given Rights?

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I'm not logging into facebook. Post a decent link. I'm assuming Sniff lost, is that correct? It would be good news after last night.
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I'm curious to see how Bianco does and if he can follow through with his promises once he runs up against the budgetary issues and County Suprvisor's obstructions Sniff was dealing with.

Either way congrats to Bianco and no matter what happened you Riverside residents were guaranteed to be better off than us L.A. residents.
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I remember back during either the 2010 or 2014 election cycle that everyone said that it was useless to try to unseat an incumbent sheriff because it never happened in California. They were wrong then and I'm glad to see that they were wrong again.

Sniff's attempt to "Kavanaugh" Bianco with the "Anti-gay" accusations shows the true character (or lack thereof) of Sniff. Anyone can talk the talk when they're on top but true character shows up with adversity.

Congratulations to Sheriff-elect Bianco and the 56+% of the voters in Riverside county.
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NRA Patron member here. Against their endorsement, I voted Bianco, we'll see how that works out. Came to this sub-forum to see how to join CRPA, but after reading this thread, I think I'll hang on to my money a little longer.
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NRA Patron member here. Against their endorsement, I voted Bianco, we'll see how that works out. Came to this sub-forum to see how to join CRPA, but after reading this thread, I think I'll hang on to my money a little longer.

Please reconsider that decision. I'm also a NRA lifer for going on 40 yrs. And a CRPA lifer. CRPA does a lot of good solid 2A work in this state. Nobody is perfect. They got duped by a politico. Who hasn't at one time or another?

Best way to help enlighten an organization as to "good v best" candidates is from within. Because nobody listens to outsiders.

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Please reconsider that decision. I'm also a NRA lifer for going on 40 yrs. And a CRPA lifer. CRPA does a lot of good solid 2A work in this state. Nobody is perfect. They got duped by a politico. Who hasn't at one time or another?

Best way to help enlighten an organization as to "good v best" candidates is from within. Because nobody listens to outsiders.

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Your posts were a big reason I chose not to support them. Why the change of heart? You make a compelling argument to support them, but your previous posts contradict that point.
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I'm a pretty vocal critic of the CRPA but I'm also a life member. I'll support the group while still being critical of parts of it's work.

We're going to be in the fight of our lives over at least the next four years here in California so every member counts.
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Your posts were a big reason I chose not to support them. Why the change of heart? You make a compelling argument to support them, but your previous posts contradict that point.
I assure you, I've had no change of heart. Quote from my post 22.

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There's a lot more to it in Riverside county...do a little research on the NRA rep and his relationship to Sniff.
I'm aware of Payne's legal problems. And his relationship with Sniff. But as Kes already pointed out. This is the CRPA forum. And those issues are better discussed elsewhere. And are now irrelevant due to election results.

I will also still give future support to the NRA. Advocacy for one 2A candidate, even thought not my first choice. Over another that I consider a better candidate. Will not deter me from continued support. Nor does it undo all the good work that NRA does in the entire country.

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