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Sub moa barrels... Why one vs the other?
Currently I own a 16in Ballistic Advantage Hanson barrel that has a sub moa guarantee if used with match ammo. There are a ton of other 200 dollar range barrels that have the same accuracy claim. So why would I buy a LaRue, Noveske, or custom kreiger barrel that costs upwards of 400 plus DOLLARS?
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Barrels just do different things with different ammo. Even the same barrel from barrel to barrel. As to your 2nd question... Name, barrel profile, barrel material, perhaps you have a twist or groove style preference. Who made the barrel blank, chambering, shipping with a matched bolt (JP Ent.) To each his own... Personally I have got expensive and inexpensive barrels to shoot well... its a matter of putting in the time. That said, you buy a better barrel to give you a better chance of achieving what you want to achieve.
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Consistency between barrels when going premium.
Should read about the guy that bought a Criterion barrel (after I suggested a Douglas) only to order a Douglas barrel 2 weeks later.
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I thought that was pretty funny.
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FYI, Larue barrels are currently selling for $169 on their site right now. Black Friday pricing. But the standard pricing for their bare PredetAR and Stealth barrels is only $225 (starting price).
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I feel like we may have a rerun on our hands...
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Sorry fellas didn't scroll down! The BA barrel was always meant to be a general purpose blaster upper. I shoot primarily steel case wolf and have no expectations of any thing tighter than 3 moa with plinking ammo. I just bought 2k of Magtech mk262 77gr clone and wanted to get a barrel that would best take advantage of this ammo. I just see a ton of barrel and rifle companies claiming sub moa accuracy with my ammo. And was wondering what they are doing with their barrels that may be different than going with a cle or kreiger.
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Nah, usually the have you send it in and then they run different ammo through it till it has a good group. Then they send you the target and tell you it’s the shooter not the barrel. I’m sure if it was a major dud it would be replaced.
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People buy barrels from the top manufacturers because they consistently provide top quality (accurate) barrels. I'm not sure the companies you listed are in that category.
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Is Kreiger not a top manufacturer?
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I'm sure his comment was referring to Larue and Noveske.
Kreiger is legit.
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In 223, After buying WOA Match & Rainer "Super Match", I've gone through 2 barrels each (4 barrels). They still don't consistently shoot 1 MOA. They will randomly spit a bullet out to 1.3-1.5. Got 2300+ rds. through the WOA and 1200+ rds. through the Rainier. Sent one of each back to the Mfg. because they wouldn't shoot and got replacements. The replacements shoot okay, but nothing I'm excited about.
I have found a couple of loads that shoot okay, but when I replace these last 2 Rainier and WOA, I will go to Krieger, Lija, Bartlin, Rock etc. I'm done with these mid priced "Match" barrels. Plenty of cheap barrels that will shoot okay, but if you're looking for real match accuracy, go to the real barrel makers and spend the $$$ for a barrel that will shoot. I know gas guns can be finicky, but my GAP 10 with a Bartlin 22" barrel is a laser with good ammo. |
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Thank you. I'm aware of that. My point is when I shoot out this WOA barrel, I will NOT be buying another one or any of the mid priced "Match" barrels. I will spend the extra cash for a Kreiger, Bartlin, Lija etc. This occasional random spitting of a bullet with these barrels is nonsense.
I know some people have good luck with them, but that isn't the case for me. If you live anywhere near me, I'd be happy to show you the targets. I have every target (2300 rds. ) in a 3 ring binder. |
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The benchrest guys have a higher standard than most shooters and they use barrels from most all the main players.
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No, first barrel was an 18" SPR that didn't shoot well & sent it back, replacement was a 20" 1/7 service rifle barrel.
Last edited by FLIGHT762; 11-22-2017 at 9:43 PM.. |
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Barrel still spits and is not a consistent 1 MOA barrel. I'm glad others have had good luck with them, but I won't buy another product from them. I spent a lot of time on the phone with them and tons of E mails back and forth with target photos. As a last resort, I even had the barrel cut back to remove the F/H threads and re crown with a target crown. Didn't make much difference accuracy wise. I got it to shoot okay with a 77 Sierra W/ 24.0 grs. of RE-15 in a R/P commercial case / Win. SRP @ CBTO: 1.858"-060". I'll go with that load for a while. |
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As for me, it comes down to company reputation and politics. Some companies have made some anti 2nd Ammendment statements or political moves and I won't buy from them if I can help it. |
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Without a fixed bench and support system, how could one really know the true accuracy? Without that fixed rest you are measuring the shooter more than the barrel.
I'm pretty sure most of my barrels are more accurate than I am. |
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You have no reason to buy a high quality barrel.
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That's why I bought the Ballistic Advantage barrel. I got 2k of Magtech mk262 77gr clone ammo that I want to build a new upper to take advantage of that round.
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The Criterion is still a nice barrel...just not nice enough. OP what really got me was someone replying to one of my posts where I said I simply wasn’t capable of shooting .5 MOA. He replied “How do you know that?” Well, I didn’t. I’d never owned a barrel that good so how did I know my actual abilities? So after my disappointment with Criterion I bought a Douglass. The Criterion will still get used, but my Douglass will actually let me see how I’M shooting. Last edited by C.W.M.V.; 11-23-2017 at 2:00 PM.. |
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After 2k rds ,I sold one for half the cost of a Krieger.
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I got this a year ago and can shot MOA all day long and believe me I'm not that good.
https://daytonatactical.com/products...harging-handle
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The question is, why would you be aiming at it anyway
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subpar weapon system ... ok , got it
the only acceptable MK12 Barrel is the noveske that was in the Mod H
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Yeah, 24 grains of RL15 with the 77 SMK or Hornady's 75 BTHP was my go to load when I started shooting XTC with the WOA A2 upper. Then, it was suggested to me, for mag length ammo, that I bump the charge to 24.5 grains and play with the seating depth. Groups got tighter with 2.21" OAL That same powder charge and seating depth works well with Varget. My second WOA A2 upper likes 8208XBR with the 69 SMK. The 77SMK with H4895 is a close second. Both uppers love 80 SMK with RL15, Varget, H4895, or 8208XBR but the second upper loves 75 Amax with 8208XBR. Not downplaying your experience with the WOA service rifle barrel but if you are up for it try playing around with a faster powder or a different bullet. |
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Yes, I have on hand Varget, H-4895, 8208 XBR, XMR 4064 and AR Comp. Second best with the Sierra 77's is 23.5 of 8208. I also have CCI 41, Rem. 7-1/2's, Federal AR SRP and some Winchester SRP's.
A couple of barrels like the Sierra Tipped MK with 25.0 of Varget. |
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What's your COAL on the Tipped Match Kings loading up 25gr of Varget? Sounds like you'd be crushing that powder...
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They can be seated mag length with 24.5 making only a little noise.
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