Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:09 AM
Paul053 Paul053 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sierra Madre, CA
Posts: 1,063
iTrader: 78 / 100%
Default Sub moa barrels... Why one vs the other?

Currently I own a 16in Ballistic Advantage Hanson barrel that has a sub moa guarantee if used with match ammo. There are a ton of other 200 dollar range barrels that have the same accuracy claim. So why would I buy a LaRue, Noveske, or custom kreiger barrel that costs upwards of 400 plus DOLLARS?

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:17 AM
ExtremeX's Avatar
ExtremeX ExtremeX is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 7,160
iTrader: 43 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul053 View Post
Currently I own a 16in Ballistic Advantage Hanson barrel that has a sub moa guarantee if used with match ammo. There are a ton of other 200 dollar range barrels that have the same accuracy claim. So why would I buy a LaRue, Noveske, or custom kreiger barrel that costs upwards of 400 plus DOLLARS?

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
I love when people say sub moa guarantee. The only thing I can guarantee is that there is no guarantee.

Barrels just do different things with different ammo. Even the same barrel from barrel to barrel.

As to your 2nd question... Name, barrel profile, barrel material, perhaps you have a twist or groove style preference. Who made the barrel blank, chambering, shipping with a matched bolt (JP Ent.) To each his own...

Personally I have got expensive and inexpensive barrels to shoot well... its a matter of putting in the time. That said, you buy a better barrel to give you a better chance of achieving what you want to achieve.
__________________
ExtremeX
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:18 AM
Kwikvette's Avatar
Kwikvette Kwikvette is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Fresno County
Posts: 3,704
iTrader: 49 / 100%
Default

Consistency between barrels when going premium.

Should read about the guy that bought a Criterion barrel (after I suggested a Douglas) only to order a Douglas barrel 2 weeks later.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange1 View Post
my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
Quote:
Originally Posted by XDJYo View Post
Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:22 AM
smoothy8500's Avatar
smoothy8500 smoothy8500 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 3,681
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

I dunno, 0.9MOA vs 0.25MOA I guess...Both are sub-MOA.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:24 AM
smoothy8500's Avatar
smoothy8500 smoothy8500 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 3,681
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwikvette View Post
Should read about the guy that bought a Criterion barrel (after I suggested a Douglas) only to order a Douglas barrel 2 weeks later.
I thought that was pretty funny.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:46 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 16,466
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

If a maker claims a sub MOA result and you don't get it, will they take it back?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-21-2017, 7:53 AM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,309
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul053 View Post
So why would I buy a LaRue, Noveske, or custom kreiger barrel that costs upwards of 400 plus DOLLARS?
FYI, Larue barrels are currently selling for $169 on their site right now. Black Friday pricing. But the standard pricing for their bare PredetAR and Stealth barrels is only $225 (starting price).
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-21-2017, 8:14 AM
thmpr's Avatar
thmpr thmpr is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: San Jose
Posts: 3,786
iTrader: 83 / 100%
Default

JP barrels and call it a day....
__________________
NRA Life Member
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-21-2017, 8:22 AM
Kwikvette's Avatar
Kwikvette Kwikvette is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Fresno County
Posts: 3,704
iTrader: 49 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy8500 View Post
I thought that was pretty funny.
I feel like we may have a rerun on our hands...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange1 View Post
my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
Quote:
Originally Posted by XDJYo View Post
Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-21-2017, 8:30 AM
Paul053 Paul053 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sierra Madre, CA
Posts: 1,063
iTrader: 78 / 100%
Default

Sorry fellas didn't scroll down! The BA barrel was always meant to be a general purpose blaster upper. I shoot primarily steel case wolf and have no expectations of any thing tighter than 3 moa with plinking ammo. I just bought 2k of Magtech mk262 77gr clone and wanted to get a barrel that would best take advantage of this ammo. I just see a ton of barrel and rifle companies claiming sub moa accuracy with my ammo. And was wondering what they are doing with their barrels that may be different than going with a cle or kreiger.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-21-2017, 8:53 AM
deckhandmike's Avatar
deckhandmike deckhandmike is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Morro Bay
Posts: 8,169
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi Jah View Post
If a maker claims a sub MOA result and you don't get it, will they take it back?
Nah, usually the have you send it in and then they run different ammo through it till it has a good group. Then they send you the target and tell you it’s the shooter not the barrel. I’m sure if it was a major dud it would be replaced.

Last edited by deckhandmike; 11-21-2017 at 1:29 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-21-2017, 11:14 AM
russ69's Avatar
russ69 russ69 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,348
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul053 View Post
....So why would I buy a LaRue, Noveske, or custom kreiger barrel that costs upwards of 400 plus DOLLARS?...
People buy barrels from the top manufacturers because they consistently provide top quality (accurate) barrels. I'm not sure the companies you listed are in that category.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-22-2017, 9:00 AM
Brush Guard Brush Guard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 875
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by russ69 View Post
People buy barrels from the top manufacturers because they consistently provide top quality (accurate) barrels. I'm not sure the companies you listed are in that category.
Is Kreiger not a top manufacturer?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-22-2017, 9:04 AM
Kwikvette's Avatar
Kwikvette Kwikvette is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Fresno County
Posts: 3,704
iTrader: 49 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brush Guard View Post
Is Kreiger not a top manufacturer?
I'm sure his comment was referring to Larue and Noveske.

Kreiger is legit.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange1 View Post
my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
Quote:
Originally Posted by XDJYo View Post
Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-22-2017, 12:13 PM
russ69's Avatar
russ69 russ69 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,348
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwikvette View Post
I'm sure his comment was referring to Larue and Noveske. Kreiger is legit.
I own Krieger and Noveske, your comment is 100% accurate.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-22-2017, 1:38 PM
FLIGHT762's Avatar
FLIGHT762 FLIGHT762 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Calif. / SFO Area
Posts: 3,024
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

In 223, After buying WOA Match & Rainer "Super Match", I've gone through 2 barrels each (4 barrels). They still don't consistently shoot 1 MOA. They will randomly spit a bullet out to 1.3-1.5. Got 2300+ rds. through the WOA and 1200+ rds. through the Rainier. Sent one of each back to the Mfg. because they wouldn't shoot and got replacements. The replacements shoot okay, but nothing I'm excited about.

I have found a couple of loads that shoot okay, but when I replace these last 2 Rainier and WOA, I will go to Krieger, Lija, Bartlin, Rock etc.

I'm done with these mid priced "Match" barrels. Plenty of cheap barrels that will shoot okay, but if you're looking for real match accuracy, go to the real barrel makers and spend the $$$ for a barrel that will shoot.

I know gas guns can be finicky, but my GAP 10 with a Bartlin 22" barrel is a laser with good ammo.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-22-2017, 3:15 PM
highpower790's Avatar
highpower790 highpower790 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Prescott Valley,AZ
Posts: 3,481
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLIGHT762 View Post
In 223, After buying WOA Match & Rainer "Super Match", I've gone through 2 barrels each (4 barrels). They still don't consistently shoot 1 MOA. They will randomly spit a bullet out to 1.3-1.5. Got 2300+ rds. through the WOA and 1200+ rds. through the Rainier. Sent one of each back to the Mfg. because they wouldn't shoot and got replacements. The replacements shoot okay, but nothing I'm excited about.

I have found a couple of loads that shoot okay, but when I replace these last 2 Rainier and WOA, I will go to Krieger, Lija, Bartlin, Rock etc.

I'm done with these mid priced "Match" barrels. Plenty of cheap barrels that will shoot okay, but if you're looking for real match accuracy, go to the real barrel makers and spend the $$$ for a barrel that will shoot.

I know gas guns can be finicky, but my GAP 10 with a Bartlin 22" barrel is a laser with good ammo.
WOA barrels are by made Wilson and typically last 3-4k.
__________________
Keep it simple!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-22-2017, 3:43 PM
FLIGHT762's Avatar
FLIGHT762 FLIGHT762 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Calif. / SFO Area
Posts: 3,024
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by highpower790 View Post
WOA barrels are by made Wilson and typically last 3-4k.
Thank you. I'm aware of that. My point is when I shoot out this WOA barrel, I will NOT be buying another one or any of the mid priced "Match" barrels. I will spend the extra cash for a Kreiger, Bartlin, Lija etc. This occasional random spitting of a bullet with these barrels is nonsense.

I know some people have good luck with them, but that isn't the case for me.

If you live anywhere near me, I'd be happy to show you the targets. I have every target (2300 rds. ) in a 3 ring binder.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-22-2017, 5:09 PM
OpenSightsOnly OpenSightsOnly is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,555
iTrader: 38 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLIGHT762 View Post
Thank you. I'm aware of that. My point is when I shoot out this WOA barrel, I will NOT be buying another one or any of the mid priced "Match" barrels. I will spend the extra cash for a Kreiger, Bartlin, Lija etc. This occasional random spitting of a bullet with these barrels is nonsense.

I know some people have good luck with them, but that isn't the case for me.

If you live anywhere near me, I'd be happy to show you the targets. I have every target (2300 rds. ) in a 3 ring binder.
Are you talking about the 26" 8-twist Wilson barrel that they normally use for their match rifle upper
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-22-2017, 5:12 PM
Josh3239 Josh3239 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SoCal
Posts: 9,143
iTrader: 59 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thmpr View Post
JP barrels and call it a day....
You mean Wilson barrels?
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11-22-2017, 5:59 PM
russ69's Avatar
russ69 russ69 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,348
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLIGHT762 View Post
Thank you. I'm aware of that. My point is when I shoot out this WOA barrel, I will NOT be buying another one or any of the mid priced "Match" barrels....
I have two WOA Service Rifle uppers with their standard barrel. Both shoot extremely well, they may be my best shooting guns. That includes my Kreiger Compass Lake and my Rem 5R. Perhaps not as good as my Bartlein 6BR but I'd have to get my wind flags out to see which one is better. I'm not sure if I just got lucky but John Holliger says he machines all the barrels the same and he sees no difference on the target.
The benchrest guys have a higher standard than most shooters and they use barrels from most all the main players.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-22-2017, 6:50 PM
Brush Guard Brush Guard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 875
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

[QUOTE=FLIGHT762;20938297] This occasional random spitting of a bullet with these barrels is nonsense./QUOTE]

Nonsense, I tell you…

Life is good in our country.

Last edited by Brush Guard; 11-23-2017 at 9:01 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-22-2017, 9:27 PM
FLIGHT762's Avatar
FLIGHT762 FLIGHT762 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Calif. / SFO Area
Posts: 3,024
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenSightsOnly View Post
Are you talking about the 26" 8-twist Wilson barrel that they normally use for their match rifle upper
No, first barrel was an 18" SPR that didn't shoot well & sent it back, replacement was a 20" 1/7 service rifle barrel.

Last edited by FLIGHT762; 11-22-2017 at 9:43 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-22-2017, 9:42 PM
FLIGHT762's Avatar
FLIGHT762 FLIGHT762 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Calif. / SFO Area
Posts: 3,024
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by russ69 View Post
I'm not sure if I just got lucky but John Holliger says he machines all the barrels the same and he sees no difference on the target.
I sent the second barrel back because of the random spitting. John Holliger shot a couple of groups with black Hills MK 262. He got about .98" with it. Sent it back to me & said it's within spec.

Barrel still spits and is not a consistent 1 MOA barrel.

I'm glad others have had good luck with them, but I won't buy another product from them. I spent a lot of time on the phone with them and tons of E mails back and forth with target photos.

As a last resort, I even had the barrel cut back to remove the F/H threads and re crown with a target crown. Didn't make much difference accuracy wise.

I got it to shoot okay with a 77 Sierra W/ 24.0 grs. of RE-15 in a R/P commercial case / Win. SRP @ CBTO: 1.858"-060". I'll go with that load for a while.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-22-2017, 11:54 PM
Mr. Torgue Mr. Torgue is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 250
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi Jah View Post
If a maker claims a sub MOA result and you don't get it, will they take it back?
Proof Research did for a guy on an AR10 I think.

As for me, it comes down to company reputation and politics. Some companies have made some anti 2nd Ammendment statements or political moves and I won't buy from them if I can help it.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 11-23-2017, 8:48 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 16,466
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Without a fixed bench and support system, how could one really know the true accuracy? Without that fixed rest you are measuring the shooter more than the barrel.

I'm pretty sure most of my barrels are more accurate than I am.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11-23-2017, 9:16 AM
ar15barrels's Avatar
ar15barrels ar15barrels is online now
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Van Nuys
Posts: 56,440
iTrader: 119 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul053 View Post
I shoot primarily steel case wolf and have no expectations of any thing tighter than 3 moa with plinking ammo.
You have no reason to buy a high quality barrel.
__________________
Randall Rausch

AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
Most work performed while-you-wait, evening and saturday appointments available.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 11-23-2017, 1:44 PM
Paul053 Paul053 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sierra Madre, CA
Posts: 1,063
iTrader: 78 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ar15barrels View Post
You have no reason to buy a high quality barrel.
That's why I bought the Ballistic Advantage barrel. I got 2k of Magtech mk262 77gr clone ammo that I want to build a new upper to take advantage of that round.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 11-23-2017, 1:55 PM
C.W.M.V. C.W.M.V. is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,647
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwikvette View Post
Consistency between barrels when going premium.

Should read about the guy that bought a Criterion barrel (after I suggested a Douglas) only to order a Douglas barrel 2 weeks later.
Hey now, be nice!
The Criterion is still a nice barrel...just not nice enough.

OP what really got me was someone replying to one of my posts where I said I simply wasn’t capable of shooting .5 MOA. He replied “How do you know that?”
Well, I didn’t. I’d never owned a barrel that good so how did I know my actual abilities?
So after my disappointment with Criterion I bought a Douglass.
The Criterion will still get used, but my Douglass will actually let me see how I’M shooting.

Last edited by C.W.M.V.; 11-23-2017 at 2:00 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 11-23-2017, 1:59 PM
highpower790's Avatar
highpower790 highpower790 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Prescott Valley,AZ
Posts: 3,481
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.W.M.V. View Post
Hey now, be nice!
The Criterion is still a nice barrel...just not nice enough.
Douglas aren't that great .
After 2k rds ,I sold one for half the cost of a Krieger.
__________________
Keep it simple!

Last edited by highpower790; 11-23-2017 at 2:02 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 11-23-2017, 2:52 PM
C.W.M.V. C.W.M.V. is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,647
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by highpower790 View Post
Douglas aren't that great .
After 2k rds ,I sold one for half the cost of a Krieger.
Good enough for the mk12, good enough for me.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-23-2017, 5:39 PM
traveler1952 traveler1952 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Summer in idaho, Winter where ever were parked.
Posts: 595
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

I got this a year ago and can shot MOA all day long and believe me I'm not that good.

https://daytonatactical.com/products...harging-handle
__________________
NRA Life Member
CRPA Member
Idaho 2nd Amendment Member
Escapees
Elks
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-23-2017, 9:59 PM
Mr.Caketown's Avatar
Mr.Caketown Mr.Caketown is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Midwest
Posts: 7,367
iTrader: 83 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwikvette View Post
I'm sure his comment was referring to Larue and Noveske.

Kreiger is legit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by russ69 View Post
I own Krieger and Noveske, your comment is 100% accurate.
I agree with the above in regards to krieger (dont own a noveske) . When shooting the krieger I feel like i can shoot the d*ck off a hummingbird at under 100 yards
__________________
WTB:
1)AR15 Aero Precision Skeletonized Lower
2)S&W 686 6in barrel ...686 No dash through 686-4
3) Saltworks M5 upper/lower set

Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-23-2017, 10:01 PM
Kwikvette's Avatar
Kwikvette Kwikvette is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Fresno County
Posts: 3,704
iTrader: 49 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Caketown View Post
I agree with the above in regards to krieger (dont own a noveske) . When shooting the krieger I feel like i can shoot the d*ck off a hummingbird at under 100 yards
The question is, why would you be aiming at it anyway
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange1 View Post
my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
Quote:
Originally Posted by XDJYo View Post
Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-23-2017, 10:09 PM
KING_PALM's Avatar
KING_PALM KING_PALM is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Posts: 3,591
iTrader: 31 / 97%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.W.M.V. View Post
Good enough for the mk12, good enough for me.
subpar weapon system ... ok , got it

the only acceptable MK12 Barrel is the noveske that was in the Mod H
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-24-2017, 5:38 AM
C.W.M.V. C.W.M.V. is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,647
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KING_PALM View Post
subpar weapon system ... ok , got it

the only acceptable MK12 Barrel is the noveske that was in the Mod H
Only acceptable barrel eh...better tell naval special warfare guys.
And the Army, and the Marines (maybe draw the marines a picture in crayon).
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-24-2017, 8:25 AM
OpenSightsOnly OpenSightsOnly is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,555
iTrader: 38 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLIGHT762 View Post
I sent the second barrel back because of the random spitting. John Holliger shot a couple of groups with black Hills MK 262. He got about .98" with it. Sent it back to me & said it's within spec.

Barrel still spits and is not a consistent 1 MOA barrel.

I'm glad others have had good luck with them, but I won't buy another product from them. I spent a lot of time on the phone with them and tons of E mails back and forth with target photos.

As a last resort, I even had the barrel cut back to remove the F/H threads and re crown with a target crown. Didn't make much difference accuracy wise.

I got it to shoot okay with a 77 Sierra W/ 24.0 grs. of RE-15 in a R/P commercial case / Win. SRP @ CBTO: 1.858"-060". I'll go with that load for a while.

Yeah, 24 grains of RL15 with the 77 SMK or Hornady's 75 BTHP was my go to load when I started shooting XTC with the WOA A2 upper.

Then, it was suggested to me, for mag length ammo, that I bump the charge to 24.5 grains and play with the seating depth. Groups got tighter with 2.21" OAL That same powder charge and seating depth works well with Varget.

My second WOA A2 upper likes 8208XBR with the 69 SMK. The 77SMK with H4895 is a close second.

Both uppers love 80 SMK with RL15, Varget, H4895, or 8208XBR but the second upper loves 75 Amax with 8208XBR.

Not downplaying your experience with the WOA service rifle barrel but if you are up for it try playing around with a faster powder or a different bullet.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-24-2017, 2:59 PM
FLIGHT762's Avatar
FLIGHT762 FLIGHT762 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Calif. / SFO Area
Posts: 3,024
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Yes, I have on hand Varget, H-4895, 8208 XBR, XMR 4064 and AR Comp. Second best with the Sierra 77's is 23.5 of 8208. I also have CCI 41, Rem. 7-1/2's, Federal AR SRP and some Winchester SRP's.

A couple of barrels like the Sierra Tipped MK with 25.0 of Varget.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 11-24-2017, 3:40 PM
Kwikvette's Avatar
Kwikvette Kwikvette is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Fresno County
Posts: 3,704
iTrader: 49 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLIGHT762 View Post
Yes, I have on hand Varget, H-4895, 8208 XBR, XMR 4064 and AR Comp. Second best with the Sierra 77's is 23.5 of 8208. I also have CCI 41, Rem. 7-1/2's, Federal AR SRP and some Winchester SRP's.

A couple of barrels like the Sierra Tipped MK with 25.0 of Varget.
What's your COAL on the Tipped Match Kings loading up 25gr of Varget? Sounds like you'd be crushing that powder...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange1 View Post
my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
Quote:
Originally Posted by XDJYo View Post
Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-24-2017, 4:25 PM
highpower790's Avatar
highpower790 highpower790 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Prescott Valley,AZ
Posts: 3,481
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwikvette View Post
What's your COAL on the Tipped Match Kings loading up 25gr of Varget? Sounds like you'd be crushing that powder...
They can be seated mag length with 24.5 making only a little noise.
__________________
Keep it simple!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:58 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy