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Old 07-11-2018, 12:18 PM
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I was just interviewed by Guns America. I was shocked when Jordan told me that only 6213 people registered 13,519 firearms. That seemed amazingly low.
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Sounds like stats for 1 neighborhood in Los Angeles?
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Probably all that cfars could handle before it shut down
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Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Makes it easier for DOJ.
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The process was so difficult and time consuming that it certainly seemed to be discouraging registration:

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Need photos - keeping submitting and guess what is needed. Requiring additional ‘optional’ photos no t specified in regulations.
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Asking for data we were not required to keep (date of acquisition and FFL)
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Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Makes it easier for DOJ.
That was part of their plan. The fewer RAWs there are, the easier it is for them to claim that these firearms are not "in common use". Of course, they also like the fact that more otherwise law abiding gun owners are now risking felony charges and loosing their 2A rights forever. Those who choose not to register anything did exactly what the CA DOJ and the antis wanted them to do.
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How many were eligible to register? I thought it was in the millions.

What happened to all those that didn't register? Were they made featureless, disassembled, moved out of state or just maintained in an illegal state?
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I was just interviewed by Guns America. I was shocked when Jordan told me that only 6213 people registered 13,519 firearms. That seemed amazingly low.
That's not what the letter says.

As of June 30th, 2018 DOJ had finished processing 13,519 guns owned by 6,213 people.

At that point, they were still working on guns from April. We have no idea how many will follow over the months they spend getting through that backlog.

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How many were eligible to register? I thought it was in the millions.



What happened to all those that didn't register? Were they made featureless, disassembled, moved out of state or just maintained in an illegal state?


I can guarantee all of those happened. Sad part is going to be the innocent people affected by the last scenario.
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From that data it says of those who registered they did 2 guns on average. I saw posts on here of guys registering 10, 20 or more which skews the average. So most people probably reg'd only one.
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Good. Don’t register
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And those 6k+ will end up in Jail when the DOJ decides it doesn’t like the pic you sent.
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From that data it says of those who registered they did 2 guns on average. I saw posts on here of guys registering 10, 20 or more which skews the average. So most people probably reg'd only one.
Maybe that is all they approve per person. I submitted about 10, and only 2 have been approved in writing. Incidentally, I find it interesting that all of them (including the 2 that have been approved) read "In Progress" on my transaction report.

Certainly the final number will go up, but I am surprised at how low the compliance was. Incidentally, I don't blame anyone for not registering. I only did so because, as a manufacturer, I'm already persona-non-grota in CA, and I can always make more.
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I can guarantee all of those happened. Sad part is going to be the innocent people affected by the last scenario.
It is sad that there will be people that are not aware that will be caught. The good news is, unless there is a change in the way the law is enforced, the vast majority will never be caught. You just don't want to be the one that is caught.
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It is sad that there will be people that are not aware that will be caught. The good news is, unless there is a change in the way the law is enforced, the vast majority will never be caught. You just don't want to be the one that is caught.


True.

I wonder how this compares to the RAW registration in Connecticut from a few years ago?
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Not sure if it is an accurate measure but the difference in my cfars number from the Tuesday before the deadline to my buddy’s on 6/30 was over 20k.


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When everything is said and done thats roughly 1% compliance.
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Well not having a computer I guess should not be a problem. If they would have gone down to their local library with their gun and digital camera and done the uploads from there....wait I see what they did!

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Maybe that is all they approve per person. I submitted about 10, and only 2 have been approved in writing. Incidentally, I find it interesting that all of them (including the 2 that have been approved) read "In Progress" on my transaction report.

Certainly the final number will go up, but I am surprised at how low the compliance was. Incidentally, I don't blame anyone for not registering. I only did so because, as a manufacturer, I'm already persona-non-grota in CA, and I can always make more.
I doubt that there's a limit to how many will be approved per person. If so it's unwritten and thus lawsuit material.
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When everything is said and done thats roughly 1% compliance.
I’d say that’s less then 1%, that’s a whole lot of Felons in California!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, how can the dis-missive medieval bird in the library be inaccurate?
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this has years of fighting to go. there are so many questions, appeals, lawsuits, and not knowing how the courts are going to judge infractions based on when the rifle was purchased that this won't be resolved in our lifetime. they could not force aftermarket products (smog) on cars from 1955 to 1965 in a lawsuit against Pat Brown. the only thing the state could force was that people could not take off factory equipment if it impacted smog levels. the same could be argued for rifles if those were originally cleared for sale (handgun roster, original rifle equipment from manufacturer and approved by the state, and before 2018). that fight has not even begun yet.
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Only had one applicable to register, still haven't heard back yet. What I wonder about is that obviously there are records of sale from DROS that could be referenced if the CA DOJ really set their mind to it.

Doubt they have the resources to do so, but that's what nagged the back of my mind until I registered. I guess time will tell. Hopefully my move to Arizona is far behind me by then.
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This is pretty unreal news. Never in my wildest dreams would I have predicted anything less than 50,000. I was thinking more like 100,000.

From the budget proposals, we know they expected 1.5 million from 250,000 owners. It doesn't seem possible now, even with the open applications, that they would get even a small fraction of what they expected.

It seems like less than 5% will have registered, which is far less than any other registration period. I don't know what to make of this. I doubt another 5-10% went featureless.

So now we potentially have hundreds and thousands of felons walking around- this might be beyond anything they can hope to process. Combined with their extremely complex and technical problem laden process this is heading towards complete disaster.

Thanks for the report Jay, I almost can't believe that KPIX story- it defies the idea that the media is biased.
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I ended up maglocking mine. I am a firm believer that registration leads to confiscation.
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This is pretty unreal news. Never in my wildest dreams would I have predicted anything less than 50,000. I was thinking more like 100,000.

From the budget proposals, we know they expected 1.5 million from 250,000 owners. It doesn't seem possible now, even with the open applications, that they would get even a small fraction of what they expected.

It seems like less than 5% will have registered, which is far less than any other registration period. I don't know what to make of this. I doubt another 5-10% went featureless.

So now we potentially have hundreds and thousands of felons walking around- this might be beyond anything they can hope to process. Combined with their extremely complex and technical problem laden process this is heading towards complete disaster.

Thanks for the report Jay, I almost can't believe that KPIX story- it defies the idea that the media is biased.
this is about 10% the previous registration period right? The regulations did their job regardless of outcome. I'm sure CADOJ is happy that reopening registration turned in to one small blip on the radar. Though it begs the question about future enforcement wherein the vast majority of people were probably never aware they were made felons.
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So 13,000+ registrations crashed the CFARS system? Some body made some big $$$ on that inept software program.
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this is about 10% the previous registration period right? The regulations did their job regardless of outcome. I'm sure CADOJ is happy that reopening registration turned in to one small blip on the radar. Though it begs the question about future enforcement wherein the vast majority of people were probably never aware they were made felons.
I believe 150,000 registered in total in the 1989, 2000/01 periods.
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Only had one applicable to register, still haven't heard back yet. What I wonder about is that obviously there are records of sale from DROS that could be referenced if the CA DOJ really set their mind to it.

Doubt they have the resources to do so, but that's what nagged the back of my mind until I registered. I guess time will tell. Hopefully my move to Arizona is far behind me by then.
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Not surprised at all....

Am surprised a little that anyone is surprised.

Some sound disappointed...that's not surprising.
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I believe 150,000 registered in total in the 1989, 2000/01 periods.
And that was with TV ads, newspaper ads, and all you had to was submit a postcard?

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Some sound disappointed...that's not surprising.
I am glad, I want their ridiculous system to fail, in that sense it's good news.

It's bad news for potentially many people when they are staring at a felony conviction. At least in the short term.
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And those 6k+ will end up in Jail when the DOJ decides it doesn’t like the pic you sent.
Oh come on.
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FOIA request should have asked for “total registered, submitted applications, remaining pending applications, total payments made, total denied applications”.


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Oh come on.
I agree.

I was a repeat offender spaz on the pics and they were pretty patient while I corrected my errors.

Javier Becerra may be the Devil, the Legislature is for sure, but rank-and-file DOJ has always been courteous and professional with me. I do not like the jobs they are tasked to do, but that does not mean they are out to get anybody. Or put is in jail for crappy pictures.
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I agree.

I was a repeat offender spaz on the pics and they were pretty patient while I corrected my errors.

Javier Becerra may be the Devil, the Legislature is for sure, but rank-and-file DOJ has always been courteous and professional with me. I do not like the jobs they are tasked to do, but that does not mean they are out to get anybody. Or put is in jail for crappy pictures.
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Pretty sure DOJ is tickled pink knowing that they can now go after anyone who didnt register, charge them with a felony, add them to APPS and strip them of their rights for life. Potentially being able to take the guns and gun rights away from the majority of CA gun owners. They will probably set up some kind of streamlined process where you can plea to have your rights removed in exchange for no prison time. Still looking at being a convicted felon for life though. Kind of hard to find a job in this day and age with a felony conviction, especially for possessing a scary "assault weapon". I hope most people didnt register because they went featureless or maglocked but I doubt everyone got the memo.
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