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Old 07-11-2018, 5:47 AM
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We have heard the liberal arguments in favor of "reasonable" gun control ad nauseum. They try to repackage it using different semantics, but it is nothing more than the same crap over and over. "It's for the children", "we don't want to take away your hunting rifles", "people don't need those scary 30 round clipazines and rifles with the thing that goes up", "civilians shouldn't have those child killing fully semi automatic rifles", "self defense is not a right", blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like Marcus, I don't want to hear their crap, period. I have been listening to it for several decades and am tired of it and have no more patience with those that espouse gun control in any form. It seems to me that Jefferson Prepared is just jsimon7777 lite and his (and others) arguments that we should be nice fellows and listen to the 'tards bloviate endlessly is just waste of our time time and bandwidth on calguns.

Guys, if you want to hear that manure, I suggest you go over to one of the many left leaning websites and indulge to your heart's content. jsimon7777 should take his/hers/it's dumocrap book of talking points and go somewhere else and stop trying to push his/her/it's propaganda here.

Yes, I am tired of trying to be reasonable and I am tired of listening to the stupid uh, *stuff* that spews from the left. If that makes me some kind of Neanderthal in the minds of the manginas, so be it.
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Now, now, now, "Jefferson Prepared" is a self-admitted Communist, extolling the virtues of Marxism-Leninism. That means we should listen to him because he is better and smarter than the rest of us, and holds the moral and intellectual high ground. You know, like Jane Fonda, Joe Stalin, and Hillary Clinton.

And "things were going swimmingly" right after WW2 when the Communists rounded up my relatives in East Germany and Czechoslovakia, and either shot them or deported them to some place like Siberia, from which they never returned.....what happened to them and where they went remains unknown, because back in those days, to ask what happened to someone the Communists abducted was to suffer the same fate.

Yup, in Marxism Prepared's own words, "Communism, working just fine".




To appreciate the true absurdity of Marxism Prepared's statements, merely substitute "Nazism", "Pedophilia", or "Satanism" for "Communism", and be amazed that nothing changes and the message remains the same.


I like also how he illuminates us on the fact that the problem isn't illegal immigration, it's that we don't give illegal aliens full rights (actually, more rights than we have) and pay them more to reward them for being in this country illegally.
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Again, this is code for 100% civilian disarmament. This is what they say when they want to sound reasonable and pretend they are not for disarmament. We have learned what 60 years of compromise leads to: CALIFORNIA GUN LAWS!


Not only that, but all recent actions by dems over the past few years (even outside of gun control), have shown they have no intentions of compromising or being reasonable. It’s their way or no way and they are completely open about that. I’m done with it and will no longer “compromise”.
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"It's the derisive and rigid attitudes shown by most in this thread that threaten gun privileges."


The above comment says it all, the 2nd Amendment is not a PRIVILEGE, it revolves around a basic HUMAN RIGHT of self preservation, which existed before groups huddled together in caves or around fire pits and transcends any level of modern governance.
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He's a Bolshevik endowed with the pure shining essence of Marxism-Leninism; they operate on a higher, purer, level of existance than us mere mortals.
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I'm just going to leave this right here, again. Posted by jsimon7777, sounding like a Huffpost article.
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Sensible arms control would mean removing special liability protection for gun makers and gun stores, required safety measures like locking guns up as well as required safety classes, legal removal of guns from people deemed suicidal or violent, thorough background checks, limiting the rounds a gun can hold, the rate it can fire, and the speed of reloading, and waiting periods and reporting of gun and ammo purchases, and banning weapons designed for or based on designs of modern weapons of war. Make special dispensations, like allowing owning guns of different types when left at gun ranges.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:18 PM
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If it looks like a pig, walks like a pig, smells like a pig, wallows in filth like a pig, and squeals like a pig, it must be.......






























.....a pig.





































Or a swinish Marxist Democrat troll shill, spreading their usual pig manure of lies, deceit, and dis-information.
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I dont think it's bad at all having them here. It sharpens our arguments and helps us know the newest disinformation to be rebutted. I love poking holes throughout their lies and giving them a swift kick in the e-nuts.
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Equate? No. Show the remarkable similarities? Absolutely.



And the 75 million native Americans killed by (mostly) Christians, along with the 10-20 million killed by the 94% Christian Nazis, along with the 7 million Indians starved by the (mostly) Christian Allies in WW2, along with the 300,000 Muslim civilians killed by (mostly) Christian American Allies in the "War on Terror"
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One thing you can count on liberals doing and that is if you have a problem with a groups actions ,say communist or Muslims, they are quick to point out how white Christians people have done worse . They are missing or hiding a couple of facts #1If you don't learn from history it repeats it's and white Conservatives ( Christians and non Christians alike) are trying hard to keep liberals from taking us on a path that will lead us back to past evils .# 2 Idiots in the media and on here label any White person or non Buddhist - Muslim - Hindu ext CHRISTIAN . When a white freak killed Black church goers they were quick to point out it was a white Christian who did it .B.S. Christians follow Christ Christians do not murder innocent people . Yes people claiming to be Christians willingly do bad things but Christians don't . Some idiot on here posted Christians owned slaves ,had he studied history he would know only 3℅ of Americans had slaves and that is a mighty small number to be judging a region by and enough Christians stood against slavery to abolish it ,well at least in non Muslim countries.


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One thing you can count on liberals doing and that is if you have a problem with a groups actions ,say communist or Muslims, they are quick to point out how white Christians people have done worse . They are missing or hiding a couple of facts #1If you don't learn from history it repeats itself and white Conservatives ( Christians and non Christians alike) are trying hard to keep liberals from taking us on a path that will lead us back to past evils .# 2 Idiots in the media and on here label any White person or non Buddhist - Muslim - Hindu ext CHRISTIAN . When a white freak killed Black church goers they were quick to point out it was a white Christian who did it .B.S. Christians follow Christ Christians do not murder innocent people . Yes people claiming to be Christians willingly do bad things but Christians don't . Some idiot on here posted Christians owned slaves ,had he studied history he would know only 3℅ of Americans had slaves and that is a mighty small number to be judging a region by and enough Christians stood against slavery to abolish it ,well at least in non Muslim countries.


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Something else to consider regarding the constant and ever escalating liberal leftist Marxist and Neo-Bolshevik hateful attack on America and White Christians: No other people have done as many good things and saved as many lives around the world as White Christians, and no White Christians have done more than Americans have.

No other people have taken in as many other people from around the world as White Christian America.

And regarding the slavery thing: the slave trade in Black Africans was pretty much created by the Arab Muslims. Other than those who were captured and enslaved by the Muslim Arabs, every other Black African who ended up as a slave was captured and sold by another Black African. And if those Africans hadn't been sold as slaves, they would have been killed, and perhaps eaten, by their enemies or their own people, who instead traded them for cloth, beads, cooking pots, tobacco, alcohol, firearms, etc.

No other people except White Christian Americans have engaged in a long and bloody fratricidal war to free Black Slaves, and have put as much money and effort into trying to help and improve the lot of the descendants of those former slaves. People who never owned a slave have spent billions of dollars on 3 generations of people who never were a slave.
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I would like to add to this but really you said everything I could say except "Amen "
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Something else to consider regarding the constant and ever escalating liberal leftist Marxist and Neo-Bolshevik hateful attack on America and White Christians: No other people have done as many good things and saved as many lives around the world as White Christians, and no White Christians have done more than Americans have.

No other people have taken in as many other people from around the world as White Christian America.

And regarding the slavery thing: the slave trade in Black Africans was pretty much created by the Arab Muslims. Other than those who were captured and enslaved by the Muslim Arabs, every other Black African who ended up as a slave was captured and sold by another Black African. And if those Africans hadn't been sold as slaves, they would have been killed, and perhaps eaten, by their enemies or their own people, who instead traded them for cloth, beads, cooking pots, tobacco, alcohol, firearms, etc.

No other people except White Christian Americans have engaged in a long and bloody fratricidal war to free Black Slaves, and have put as much money and effort into trying to help and improve the lot of the descendants of those former slaves. People who never owned a slave have spent billions of dollars on 3 generations of people who never were a slave.
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Some of the drivel that people profess.....The belief that human imperfection alone is the sole problem, rather than the combination of this along with the deeply flawed ideologies of socialism and communism, is ludicrous. Capitalism, in spite of being in the hands of flawed humans, has yet to devolve into genocidal dictatorships.
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Exactly which form of government ,Ideology and country do you feel is the most humane / civilized ?
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Did you miss the part where I said Capitalism is more robust that Communism?

As for genocidal Capitalist countries, I'd certainly put the USofA in that category during certain administrations (certainly under Andrew Jackson, but you can also make the case for those presiding during our various forays into Asia, Central America, & the Middle East).

For a more recent example of a Capitalist "genocidal dictatorship" -- look at Chile under Pinochet.
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Did you miss the part where I said Capitalism is more robust that Communism?

As for genocidal Capitalist countries, I'd certainly put the USofA in that category during certain administrations (certainly under Andrew Jackson, but you can also make the case for those presiding during our various forays into Asia("Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam is gonna' win!", huh, Jane?) , Central America (Ollie North and those evil wicked Contras, fighting those good Communists, and look how we have picked on poor Castro and Cuba!), & the Middle East).

For a more recent example of a Capitalist "genocidal dictatorship" -- look at Chile under Pinochet, and all those poor wonderful good Communists who forgot their parachutes when he gave them skydiving lessons out of helicopters.

As soon as they start squealing about Pinochet, you know you are dealing with an angry little leftist.
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We agree for the most art ,I do agree laws and safe guards need to be put in place to protect us from situations like you described maybe instance or bonding but if you are not careful no one will be able to start a business . Say I want to open a mechanic shop and have to put up 500,000 in case I knock over a waste oil tank ext. and it get on a golf course next door I will have to say no way . I do realize we have to have a certain amount of liability to drive and business also have to carry a reasonable amount of liability insurance .
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I think a Republic is superior to a Democracy for, as the old joke goes, Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.

As for economic forms, I find free market capitalism generally superior, but I think it is sometimes necessary & appropriate to temper the "free market" with restrictions when we can demonstrate that flawed humans will predictably fail to act in accordance with the invisible hand.

For instance, I could open up a toxic waste disposal site just upstream of your property. And while you could successfully sue me in civil court after the fact, with something like toxic waste I can do a lot more damage than I'll ever be able to pay. Thus it is reasonable to temper free market capitalism by requiring those in the toxic waste business to post bonds large enough to clean up a potential superfund site.
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I think our 2 main other "genocidal forays into Asia" would be when we dropped those Atomic bombs on poor Japan just because they mistook Pearl Harbor for a bombing range, and when we kept those nice North Koreans from re-unifying their country.
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I think our 2 main other "genocidal forays into Asia" would be when we dropped those Atomic bombs on poor Japan just because they mistook Pearl Harbor for a bombing range, and when we kept those nice North Koreans from re-unifying their country.
I think he was only counting Vietnam. US made alot of mistakes there, both to the native population and to our own soldiers but it was hardly "genocidal".

I will agree with Andrew Jackson being genocidal however.
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Only the part where I said such a sentiment is as absurd as "communism = genocide"
Sensing a pattern...

Defend the gun rights hater.. defend communism.. hmmm

The white Christians killed 75,000,000 native Americans (a BS number)..

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Did you miss the part where I said Capitalism is more robust that Communism?

As for genocidal Capitalist countries, I'd certainly put the USofA in that category during certain administrations (certainly under Andrew Jackson, but you can also make the case for those presiding during our various forays into Asia, Central America, & the Middle East).

For a more recent example of a Capitalist "genocidal dictatorship" -- look at Chile under Pinochet.
So now we're onto revisionist history too huh? You can keep making these nonsense arguments out of thin air but it still doesn't turn it into facts.
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Did you miss the part where I said Capitalism is more robust that Communism?

As for genocidal Capitalist countries, I'd certainly put the USofA in that category during certain administrations (certainly under Andrew Jackson, but you can also make the case for those presiding during our various forays into Asia, Central America, & the Middle East).

For a more recent example of a Capitalist "genocidal dictatorship" -- look at Chile under Pinochet.
Andrew Jackson, with the Indian Removal Act of 1830, resulted in such
infamous events as the "Trail of Tears", in which an estimated 16,000+
Cherokees were forced out, with resulting deaths from exposure ranging
from about 2,000 to 8,000. A horrific event that no modern day Sane
American would condone.

An interesting little historical tidbit... Andrew Jackson was the
Founder of the Modern Day Democratic Party and the first President to be
elected by the Democratic Party...

You know, the Party that eventually led us into a Bloody Civil War,
supported Slavery, created the KKK to be the terrorist arm of the
Democratic Party, the party currently trying to push us into another
Civil War with their insanely Intolerant Behavior, attacks on anyone not
supporting their Extreme Left agenda, their attacks on our Bill of Rights,
Idiotic support for MS-13 gang over American Citizens, opening the borders
and allow everyone to come into America Unvetted, including Criminals,
Terrorists, Drugs, Human traffickers, and other assorted Illegals.

And now Democrats openly support Socialism...


You seem to like pointing out the Negative Aspects of America,
how about you list some of the things America brings to the table
on the Positive side of the Karma Equation ?


Like for example, the creation of a unique nation, describe by Lincoln as:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on
this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to
the proposition that all men are created equal."


With such revolutionary ideas as:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"



And of course, one of the most Important Documents Ever Created:




Some of the Positive Things America has done over the years:

How about the Miracle of the Berlin Airlift, Preventing the
enslavement of West Berliners by the Soviet Union:




How much Misery and Suffering did One American put an end to
with his magnanimous gift to the world:





Even America's A-Holes can change the world for the better, for example
Thomas Edison, or Steve Jobs, who "put a dent in the universe" by
revolutionizing the following industries... personal computers, music,
phones, animation, digital publishing, tablet computing.


On Balance, I would Posit that America's Positive contributions far out
weigh the negatives... Just one of the Reasons why millions of people
across the Globe want to live in America.



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These shills are in here every election time as well to rail against the republicans in favor of third parties to help democrats. They are also seen constantly fanning any discontent they can against the NRA as well.
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You've only been here through one election cycle...

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Interesting.
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These shills are in here every election time as well to rail against the republicans in favor of third parties to help democrats. They are also seen constantly fanning any discontent they can against the NRA as well.
Many lefties want gun control because they know that they are mentally unstable enough that they can't be trusted with firearms, so by extension, everyone else must be crazy and/or irresponsible enough that they can't be trusted with them either.
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I just make these points in an attempt to balance the rampant jingoism here.
"We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do,
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too,
We've fought the Bear before, and while we're Britons true,
The Russians shall not have Constantinople."

Just in case some don't know the classical reference to "Jingoism"
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As your list shows, there is plenty to love about America. I just make these points in an attempt to balance the rampant jingoism here.
Unless I missed it, that is the first time you have explained your actions.

Do you do the same for the Unpatriotic Left:




Or are you only concerned about berating Flag Waving Gun Owners ?

I don't necessarily have a problem with corrective posts, but the way
you have gone about it is akin to what Anti-Gunners do to us.

They Scream about 30,000 "Gun Deaths", While Ignoring:
  • Two Thirds are Suicides.
  • Defense Gun Use occurring about 2.1 Million times per Year (Kleck)
  • Even Biased, Anti Gun "Researchers" like Hemenway say 55k-80k

You post the Negatives without providing any balancing perspective.

Oh, and if you decide to start correcting the Flag Hating Left,
you can get started here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/


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That number is for all the Americas throughout colonization, not just the USA. Estimates vary from 40-100 million.

Thevast majority of those deaths were unintentional from disease, but European settlers made no concerted effort to help natives fight the disease they brought either...
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lol.. like the Europeans of that day even have a good grasp on disease.. Hell, how many died in Europe from the plague?

Saying that's the same as Communist Russia intentionally murdering millions, or any true genocide (which implies an intent) just sounds ignorant. To call the USA genocidal is just pathetic.

But that's ok, you choose to focus on the negative aspects. I see a country that has done far more good than bad and that has evolved past, and learned from its early mistakes.

Read and become better informed:
http://americanhistory.oxfordre.com/...0199329175-e-3
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Noble,

Don't forget about the elitist, academic, racist, progressive that got us into WWI and set the stage for WWII by his policies, his wife ran the country from 1919 to 1921 while he was a vegetable, Woodrow Wilson - Democrat.
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I don't think the left is unpatriotic.

But yes, liberals think I'm a rabid conservative because I generally espouse free markets & self-determination. Conservatives think I'm a bleeding heart liberal for thinking everyone ought to get a fair shake at life and that the government ought to stay out of bedrooms.

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Emphasis mine.

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion.

But I don't make claims that I cannot back up, which is why I posted
the previous chart with Liberals at the bottom of the chart when
it comes to patriotism.

Here is another chart, by Political Party. Note once again who is at
the Bottom:



And if that doesn't convince you, how do you explain the Leaders of
the Democrat Party calling for OPEN BORDERS, and the dissolution
of I.C.E, with Democrats taking to the streets in support of this ?


Here is Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn. He is the 2nd Ranking member
of the Democratic National Committee.
His T-Shirt translates to:
“I don’t believe in borders.”


Calling for, and supporting OPEN BORDERS is just about the most
Unpatriotic thing imaginably, since it would lead to the collapse of
our autonomous Nation-State.


And lets not overlook the DNC Chairman Tom Perez saying Socialism is the
"Future of the Democrat Party" after Democrats elected an admitted
socialist.

Somehow I don't think the vast majority of Americans would consider
that to be a Patriotic Stance.

These assorted actions are the Antithesis of being Patriotic.

And lets not forget the Lefts constant attacks on our 2A and 1A Rights,
how Patriotic is that ?
The answer: Tyrannical & Unpatriotic.

In addition, you have anecdotal evidence, like when was the last time
you saw a group of Republicans Burning the American Flag ?

Trick Question, of course.

Its always a group of Leftists Burning the Flag.

Now of course, that doesn't mean Everyone on the Left is supporting this
unpatriotic nonsense, and many Liberals are Red Pilling and joining the
#WalkAway movement, and I welcome them with Open Arms.


I do sympathize with your Libertarian Dilemma, as my social circles
include both conservatives and liberals, and when I point out some
inconvenient truth that does not support their preconceived notions,
I get labeled the same way.


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See, and with that "let them speak" attitude, and talking about "informed decisions", "good defense" and argument, you have already conceded defeat, and let them make you their beech because you don't "argue" with people who want to rob and kill you. Of course, if you think that you can win by bringing an "argument" to a gunfight, you're already dead and just don't know it yet.

If you are so weak-minded or downright naive that you have to "hear their point of view" so you can decide what to think, you are living life in a moral and intellectual vacuum, and it's only going to get worse for you.
I have no problem with them posting their point of view because it reaffirms the fact that they are enemies of the republic and all freedom loving people. They drive that point home when they post here.
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These shills are in here every election time as well to rail against the republicans in favor of third parties to help democrats. They are also seen constantly fanning any discontent they can against the NRA as well.
You should actually do a bit of research into the effect 3rd parties have had on elections. Actual data show that 3rd parties have consistently harmed Democrats more then Republicans.
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You should actually do a bit of research into the effect 3rd parties have had on elections. Actual data show that 3rd parties have consistently harmed Democrats more then Republicans.
Well.. except for Parot.. who gave Clinton the office..
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Well.. except for Parot.. who gave Clinton the office..
True. But to say that because of that ALL 3rd parties favor Democrats is demonstrably incorrect. Nader lost Florida, and the election for Gore, and Jill Stein and Gary Johnson split the Democratic vote and resulted in the loss of Clinton to Trump in key states.

Third parties have proven to be more of an issue for Democrats than Republicans and to state otherwise simply ignores the facts.
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As for flag burning: those who worship the flag worship a false idol. And those who worship false idols are easily lead astray (they make ready pawns).

This statement tells us all we need to know about who you really are.
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As for flag burning: those who worship the flag worship a false idol. And those who worship false idols are easily lead astray (they make ready pawns).
there is a difference between respect for the flag and what it stands for, and "worship".

you should try to understand words before you use them.
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