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Old 07-06-2018, 6:25 AM
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Question for folks in the Victorville area: I was in the Hesperia Road branch of the Desert Community Bank the other day and noticed a no guns allowed sign posted on the door. It specifically included the bank lobby, the walk up ATM & the drive thro ATM. Its my understanding that such signs do not carry the weight of law, but you must leave if requested or risk a trespass charge. Does anyone know when DCB started posting their signs? Is this new since the Flagstar buy out? Or is this a common practice for banks that I've some how failed to notice before?
I bank with US Bank.

I tend to visit branches at the markets I shop. On the rare occasion that I need to go to my "branch" office I have not noticed any signs. AND, all of the branches local to me have metal detectors and one at a time locking doors that you must go through to get inside. Every time I go in I set off the metal detector. One of the tellers looks up at me, smiles and presses the button to let me in.

I personally don't look for signs saying "No Guns Allowed". I belt in my gun and go about my business. I used to be worried that someone was going notice that I was carrying and say something or worse call the local PD. No one seems to be looks at my big belly and just walks on by minding their own business.
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Thanks for the replies - I'm afraid I just don't get it tho. Since criminals tend to ignore the law, I doubt a sign will give them much reason to pause. The only sign I've seen recently that a bad guy might look twice at is the one on the door of my FFL - it reads "all employees are armed".

Its safer for both customers & employees if CCW holders are welcome, not only at banks, but in all business establishments. No offense to the private security guards at DCB, but I'm more comfortable with my ability to protect myself than with theirs.

Perhaps its time to switch banks - obviously DCB is no longer interested in my business. Or rather, I'm no longer interested in giving them my business.
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These stories have floated around for years. Massad Ayoob has shared these stories as well.
When put on the spot, he has not been able to cite one court case where it made a difference in the outcome.
Some cited the case last year involving an AZ police officer who had a "You're F***ed" engraving on his AR dust cover, but the fact is that the engraving made zero difference in the case... it was ruled a "bad shoot" based on the evidence.
A good shoot is a good shoot and a bad shoot is a bad shoot. Nothing is going to change that unless you testify that "the gun went off" or "I didn't mean to shoot him".

These factors will come into play at the civil trial when the family goes after you. All your attorney needs to do is intelligently justify anything brought up. Modifications that enhance accuracy and reliability are encouraged by the instructors. They also strongly recommend that such work be performed by a qualified gunsmith. Obviously, maintenance items like recoil springs and magazine parts would not fall under that. Trigger work would.

In the end, the county is not responsible for our configuration, and is not liable for what we do while carrying. All legal responsibility lies 100% upon us. As long as your trigger work and modifications are "duty/carry" level, as opposed to "competition", you're good.

As far as things that show attitude, an engraving such as a "punisher" on an endplate or grips might make your attorney's job harder... best to avoid the drama that can be created by silly non-functional things.
RMR? That is a completely justified tool that enhances accuracy.

My advice to Pink Toaster would be to simply ask the instructor in class. She will get a straight answer from the instructor.
I don't plan to put any of those "watch for the flash" or "you're blanked" on my guns.... the one with the RMR will have a pink slide and grips (it's gotta be cerakoted after the mill work... so why not pink!?

I also don't have the "guarded by smith and wesson"... or "we don't shoot warning shots" type signs at our house... partially because it does look bad IMO and it also advertised to people there are guns inside....

i hope there is no issue with the RMR cuz by the time i get to class and range day it's going to be too late! actually... it's already too late since i aleady sent the slide off to get milled! so i hope there's no issues come range day!
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i hope there is no issue with the RMR cuz by the time i get to class and range day it's going to be too late! actually... it's already too late since i aleady sent the slide off to get milled! so i hope there's no issues come range day!
I don't believe there will be any issues. It would not hurt to call and talk to the detective that interviewed you to be sure.
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I have my interview on Friday. I should have everything I need - my wife has to stop by the Recorder's Office to get a copy of our marriage certificate today. That seems like an odd requirement since she does not shoot and will not be carrying a firearm. No firearms are in her name. Other than that, which should be obtained today, I have everything.

The only law enforcement contact was when we had an attempted break-in during December last year. No tickets in many years.
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I have my interview on Friday. I should have everything I need - my wife has to stop by the Recorder's Office to get a copy of our marriage certificate today. That seems like an odd requirement since she does not shoot and will not be carrying a firearm. No firearms are in her name. Other than that, which should be obtained today, I have everything.

The only law enforcement contact was when we had an attempted break-in during December last year. No tickets in many years.
Good luck. It will likely be pretty uneventful if you are prepared, as it should be.

And thanks for applying. The more CCW holders in this county the better. We are fortunate to have the Sheriff that we have.
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I have the PO money orders. Do I fill it out simply SBSD or the full name San Bernardino Sheriff's Department? The instructions look like SBSD is sufficient.
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I have the PO money orders. Do I fill it out simply SBSD or the full name San Bernardino Sheriff's Department? The instructions look like SBSD is sufficient.
I just put SBSD on mine.

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I have my interview on Friday. I should have everything I need - my wife has to stop by the Recorder's Office to get a copy of our marriage certificate today. That seems like an odd requirement since she does not shoot and will not be carrying a firearm. No firearms are in her name. Other than that, which should be obtained today, I have everything.

The only law enforcement contact was when we had an attempted break-in during December last year. No tickets in many years.
You'll do fine! The 'interview' is misnamed - its really just going over your paperwork. Just be sure to have everything they've asked for on their website.

They might ask a few questions, but as long as you're completely truthful, they're no sweat. They have to do their due diligence, but they want you to have your CCW!!

Let us know how it goes. And Good Luck!
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The knowledge and expertise available on this forum are fantastic. Hopefully, a final question: If I wanted to change a gun listed on my original application, can I do so at the interview, at the range qualification or should I wait for renewal? (I have 3 guns listed for use under varying circumstances - a Ruger LCP, a Springfield XD-9 subcompact and a Commander. I would like to change the Commander to my CZ-75 as it has night sights, easier 10 round capacity, etc.)
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The knowledge and expertise available on this forum are fantastic. Hopefully, a final question: If I wanted to change a gun listed on my original application, can I do so at the interview, at the range qualification or should I wait for renewal? (I have 3 guns listed for use under varying circumstances - a Ruger LCP, a Springfield XD-9 subcompact and a Commander. I would like to change the Commander to my CZ-75 as it has night sights, easier 10 round capacity, etc.)
Yes do it at the interview. Technically I think you can change it anytime before qualification as long as you give the Office staff time to run it.
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The knowledge and expertise available on this forum are fantastic. Hopefully, a final question: If I wanted to change a gun listed on my original application, can I do so at the interview, at the range qualification or should I wait for renewal? (I have 3 guns listed for use under varying circumstances - a Ruger LCP, a Springfield XD-9 subcompact and a Commander. I would like to change the Commander to my CZ-75 as it has night sights, easier 10 round capacity, etc.)
That wasn't even addressed when I turned in my paperwork. I've purchased a new gun that's going on my permit that I didn't even have at the time I first signed up online.

I'll be putting in on my range card that get turned in on range day.
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You'll do fine! The 'interview' is misnamed - its really just going over your paperwork. Just be sure to have everything they've asked for on their website.

They might ask a few questions, but as long as you're completely truthful, they're no sweat. They have to do their due diligence, but they want you to have your CCW!!

Let us know how it goes. And Good Luck!
Right!?! I don't know why they just don't call it an appointment. But maybe it's to make it seem scarier than it is to those not in the know? I know I was kinda freaked out about the "interview" portion until hubby went and told me what it was all about.

My biggest concern was having ALL the CORRECT paperwork.

My appointment was more of a chitchat session with the various (super, super NICE) folks! I didn't get asked any additional questions.
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I was wondering if less people are actually applying? Or if they've made less time slots available for turning in paperwork? I expected there to be one appointment after the next the day I went in, with one person filling in paperwork while another was going over their paperwork.... As it was, I was the only CCW person there at that time! I was a bit shocked.....
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That wasn't even addressed when I turned in my paperwork. I've purchased a new gun that's going on my permit that I didn't even have at the time I first signed up online.

I'll be putting in on my range card that get turned in on range day.
Yup.
Of the 3 I listed on my application, only one ended up on my permit. One of the three, I had picked up from Riflegear 2 weeks before my range date.

No need for advance notice... staff will run your SN after your range date.
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The interview was just verifying that I had all the required paperwork, answer a couple questions about some of the answers I gave on the form, get my photo taken and get fingerprinted. Including wait times, I was out in less than an hour. Both officers were fellow Navy vets.

They said it could be another 4 to 5 months before I get the phone call for the training/range day. ???
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Wondering how the marriage certs for ALL marriages is working for those who have been married more than once.
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I was wondering if less people are actually applying? Or if they've made less time slots available for turning in paperwork? I expected there to be one appointment after the next the day I went in, with one person filling in paperwork while another was going over their paperwork.... As it was, I was the only CCW person there at that time! I was a bit shocked.....
There was a big up tic after the SB shooting, now applications have slowed down somewhat
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The interview was just verifying that I had all the required paperwork, answer a couple questions about some of the answers I gave on the form, get my photo taken and get fingerprinted. Including wait times, I was out in less than an hour. Both officers were fellow Navy vets.

They said it could be another 4 to 5 months before I get the phone call for the training/range day. ???
I think they just say that in case it gets delayed, they told me the same thing, and I got my call 26 days later.

Application:10/03/17
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I think they just say that in case it gets delayed, they told me the same thing, and I got my call 26 days later.

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Wondering how the marriage certs for ALL marriages is working for those who have been married more than once.
The officer told me that they only needed my current marriage certificate after asking if I still had any contact with my exs or if they would be with me while I was carrying. I think they ask for all of them for those whose names have changed due to marriage.
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At range qualification, someone brought a 10+ round mag that was discovered during weapon inspection. The range officer announced he could be arrested. Not sure if actual outcome (whether it was returned, confiscated, if applicant was allowed to proceed or was cited or arrested).
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I wouldn't argue too much with them if it was a new gun.

If it was an old gun that I've had for a while I would tell them that and remind them that the law outlawing all high cap magazines is on hold pending a legal challenge to the law.

Regardless of what they think no one should be arrested as the crime of possession of high cap magazines is an infraction and only punishable by a fine.
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Had my interview with SBSD this morning. All went smoothly.

On my application I used, "personal protection" for my good cause statement, which the interviewing investigator chuckled at. He then informed me I needed a little more than just, "personal protection." I mentioned AB 109 and that was all I needed.

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Had my interview with SBSD this morning. All went smoothly.

On my application I used, "personal protection" for my good cause statement, which the interviewing investigator chuckled at. He then informed me I needed a little more than just, "personal protection." I mentioned AB 109 and that was all I needed.

My timeline thus far:

Applied 07/11/2018.
Interviewed 07/17/2018.

We've been telling people for quite a while now.

SD/PP is all they require for good cause.

BUT! They want more than 2 words listed as good cause. It really isn't that hard for you to come up with three or four sentences for your good cause statement.



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We've been telling people for quite a while now.

SD/PP is all they require for good cause.

BUT! They want more than 2 words listed as good cause. It really isn't that hard for you to come up with three or four sentences for your good cause statement.
I read back to January 2017 on this thread and I only came across a single post that specifically mentioned them wanting more than simply, "personal protection" (or "self defense") on the application, which I happened to find AFTER I had already submitted the application.

I was simply pointing this out again in case future applicants don't want to spend the time reading back through a year and a half's worth of posts to get this information.
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I read back to January 2017 on this thread and I only came across a single post that specifically mentioned them wanting more than simply, "personal protection" (or "self defense") on the application, which I happened to find AFTER I had already submitted the application.

I was simply pointing this out again in case future applicants don't want to spend the time reading back through a year and a half's worth of posts to get this information.
It was probably around late 2016 that they started wanting more than just the basics, but I'm not sure that "personal protection" alone has ever been enough... they simply wanted the words used in a sentence

It's been mentioned a few times in the thread, but not constantly, so it does tend to get buried in the discussion. Basically, AB109, Prop 47 and 57 are all good bases to work from.
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It was probably around late 2016 that they started wanting more than just the basics, but I'm not sure that "personal protection" alone has ever been enough... they simply wanted the words used in a sentence

It's been mentioned a few times in the thread, but not constantly, so it does tend to get buried in the discussion. Basically, AB109, Prop 47 and 57 are all good bases to work from.
Those two words worked fine 20+ years ago and up till a few years ago it was still accepted.
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Those two words worked fine 20+ years ago and up till a few years ago it was still accepted.
Those two words should be all that's needed. But... California. Need I say more?
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Those two words should be all that's needed. But... California. Need I say more?
If we're talking "should"... those two words should not be needed.
All that SHOULD be needed is "I would like", but sadly, we live in a may-issue state, so the paperwork needs something a little more.
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I forget exactly what I wrote since it was a while ago... but it was something to the effect (affect?) of self defense because of all the damned criminals and tweakers they are letting out of jail early.

Guy going over my form read what I wrote and didn't ask for anything more.

(I didn't write it like that... I was more polite about it! hahaha!)

Nobody asked me anything about anything I wrote, actually.... I guess I did a good job filling out the forms?
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