Can I carry off duty in Disneyland?

[sgtgadget]

Apparently you may have to be concerned about knives too! Was at Disney yesterday and was asked if the exposed clip on my pocket was a knife..... no it was my tactical asthma inhaler

[Gawernator]

There's no downside to being prepared.

[BT JUSTICE]

I think of carrying a gun as having another option. Witness a crime off duty and you have the option to stop the bad guy if you are carrying. If you arent carrying, you dont have an option. If you are assaulted by the bad guy and you are carrying, you have the option of stopping the bad guy or being a helpless victim. Since i cant imagine wishing i didnt have a gun and I prefer to have options, I carry a gun anytime i put on pants.

[NineteenElev3n]

Originally Posted by sgtgadget

Apparently you may have to be concerned about knives too! Was at Disney yesterday and was asked if the exposed clip on my pocket was a knife..... no it was my tactical asthma inhaler

The same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. One of the workers spotted my pocket clip and told me the knife cannot go in the park. I had to do the walk of shame back to my hotel room.

[p7m8jg]

Originally Posted by oneill45

I have carried there on many occasions. dont be a dumb and keep it concealed you will have no problems

This.

I don't understand why people worry about these private property idiots who think they can control their property. Do gang-bangers respect their wishes? That would be a "no." Criminals of any color or ilk? Um, no on that one, as well.

Cover up. Act dumb. Be professional. How can you argue with that?

[Gawernator]

Don't act dumb you mean? Lol

[smorrow0816]

I just wonder how LEO's feel about the comment as it relates to non LEO people and their inability to get a CCW in California? Do you feel the non LEO has the same feeling/right to "see tomorrow" as stated below?

That is the sad part. That we separate the two.

Originally Posted by oneill45

I am a LEO and I have carried one many occasions in DL. If it comes down to my familys life and or my own, or my job. Sorry kiddos, We are living to see tomorrow. If you think you will lose everything carrying off duty. Think how your family wont be eating because daddy or mommy is dead and there is no income at all.

[Country_Jim]

Originally Posted by smorrow0816

I just wonder how LEO's feel about the comment as it relates to non LEO people and their inability to get a CCW in California? Do you feel the non LEO has the same feeling/right to "see tomorrow" as stated below?

That is the sad part. That we separate the two.

I will answer your question, although I believe you are just trying to start s**t. I am a strong supporter of the right to bear arms. I do not believe a permit should be required to carry a firearm (for law abiding people).

Stay safe.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by smorrow0816

Do you feel the non LEO has the same feeling/right to "see tomorrow" as stated below?

That is the sad part. That we separate the two.

I don't see the relevance of your question, as it pertains to this post. Tell your lazy friends, associates and acquaintances to stop voting "liberal" for once, in order to get your privilege of having a ccw.

[NuGunner]

He's eluding to the constant argument that LEO and non-leo are two seperate classes.

To which we are afforded the privilege of concealed carry and the other is not.

I believe he's also misinterpriting the person he quoted.

To answer his question, YES non-leo have the right to see tomorrow and defend themselves. Unfortunately the way the laws are of today, they limit the ways you can do that (I.e. no CCW).

[Gawernator]

It's killing me man.... *alluding

[smorrow0816]

Yes NuGunner, that's all I was implying. Wasn't trying to stir s**t.

Originally Posted by NuGunner

He's eluding to the constant argument that LEO and non-leo are two seperate classes.

To which we are afforded the privilege of concealed carry and the other is not.

I believe he's also misinterpriting the person he quoted.

To answer his question, YES non-leo have the right to see tomorrow and defend themselves. Unfortunately the way the laws are of today, they limit the ways you can do that (I.e. no CCW).

[rockblaster]

I recommend the business type cards that gunlaws.us has prepared to print. When businesses post no firearms allowed signs, their cards are polite and state no guns- no money. A local gun shop in my area recently had to close it's doors for that very reason. I walked in trying to give a new business a shot at my dollars and yes they posted the no loaded firearms allowed. I had an Ultra Carry II in a sneaky peat holster and one of the employees recognized it. Asked if I had a loaded firearm, response of course. Asked me to go outside, unload and leave it in my truck. Went outside, got in truck and drove to gun friendly gun store. A month later they were out of business. Money should be an important motivation for any business, and yea I realize Disneyland doesn't give a rat's *** because of their size. Smaller businesses though need to get a clue. Sorry if I went off point.

[Patrick Aherne]

Look, I've carried every time I've gone to Disneyland since I became a cop. No one knew, and no one cared. CCW carriers could do the same, if they are circumspect. Concealed means concealed and secure enough not to fall out when the ride you are in turns upside down, goes negative g, etc.

I'm never against good, honest regular citizens having the ability to protect themselves and their families.

[five.five-six]

Why fallow the rules if you think you can get away with breaking them?

Then again every criminal thinks they should have their own special set of rules because their case is special and different.

[Gawernator]

Originally Posted by five.five-six

Why fallow the rules if you think you can get away with breaking them?

Then again every criminal thinks they should have their own special set of rules because their case is special and different.

Uh huh. What about when the rules say you can't protect yourself or worship your God? All of a sudden your attitude changed

[five.five-six]

Originally Posted by Gawernator

Uh huh. What about when the rules say you can't protect yourself or worship your God? All of a sudden your attitude changed

Would you arrest someone for CCWing without a permit, or does breaking the rules so you can protect yourself only count for you?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I am surprised this is still going. I assume everyone posting is LE?

[Country_Jim]

Originally Posted by five.five-six

Would you arrest someone for CCWing without a permit, or does breaking the rules so you can protect yourself only count for you?

I will not arrest an otherwise law abiding citizen for a CCW violation.

[five.five-six]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

I am surprised this is still going. I assume everyone posting is LE?

LOL, you need to work on your assuming skills. What would make you assume that out of curiosity?

[Rad'04]

Originally Posted by Rico911

It's been a few years since I have been to Disneyland. Can leos carry there?

Disney is private property and does not allow weapons of any kind in their parks. They do provide lockers for LEO for guns only. I'm not sure about CCW holders. I can ask. Knives will be asked to be placed back in the vehicle or handed over and disposed. That goes for pepper spray too.

If you are discovered inside the park with a concealed weapon, Anaheim PD will make the approach and escort you to a locker. APD does have a substation on property and can be anywhere within minutes.

Note: I'm not LEO but have intimate knowledge of their policies as I have had to enforce them.

Carry at your own discretion but know you are on private property.

I hope that helps.


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[Bobby Ricigliano]

Originally Posted by five.five-six

LOL, you need to work on your assuming skills. What would make you assume that out of curiosity?

Because often these LE-centric threads attract other folks who wander in to interject their opinions about LTC or lack thereof, in general. It dilutes the original point of the thread by turning it into a broader discussion of CA LTC issues. My assuming skills are just fine.

[ptmn]

five.five-six, your comment: "Would you arrest someone for CCWing without a permit, or does breaking the rules so you can protect yourself only count for you? " is quite a bit off base.

First of all, it is obvious that you are not a LEO. Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is illegal according to statute law whether at Disneyland or on public property. That makes it an arrestable offense whether on Disneyland or on public property. There are exceptions under the law on both, but those are narrow exceptions under the statute laws of California.

As for the second part of your comment about breaking the rules, understand that private property rules do not in most cases transfer over to violations of statute law. Show me the section of the CA Penal Code that makes it a violation for a LEO to carry off duty in Disneyland. You will not find a code for that. A private rules violation is just that, private rules. A LEO carrying in Disneyland is not breaking any laws, a private citizen carrying concealed without a permit IS breaking laws.

Prior to becoming an LEO, I was military special operations. The fact that I had training above and beyond what most LEO SWAT had did not allow me to carry concealed. I made a conscious choice to become a LEO, which does allow me to carry concealed. You have that option as well. You may apply to be a LEO or you may apply for your own CCW with the Chief of Police or the County Sheriff if you live in an unincorporated area.

You should not turn this post into a "haves vs have nots", because it isn't a pissing contest at all. The discussion was regarding LEO's carrying in Disneyland. And you shouldn't have a chip on your shoulder regarding CCW. You have the option of changing the situation for yourself by applying for a permit or applying to be LEO.

[Gawernator]

Originally Posted by ptmn

five.five-six, your comment: "Would you arrest someone for CCWing without a permit, or does breaking the rules so you can protect yourself only count for you? " is quite a bit off base.



First of all, it is obvious that you are not a LEO. Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is illegal according to statute law whether at Disneyland or on public property. That makes it an arrestable offense whether on Disneyland or on public property. There are exceptions under the law on both, but those are narrow exceptions under the statute laws of California.



As for the second part of your comment about breaking the rules, understand that private property rules do not in most cases transfer over to violations of statute law. Show me the section of the CA Penal Code that makes it a violation for a LEO to carry off duty in Disneyland. You will not find a code for that. A private rules violation is just that, private rules. A LEO carrying in Disneyland is not breaking any laws, a private citizen carrying concealed without a permit IS breaking laws.



Prior to becoming an LEO, I was military special operations. The fact that I had training above and beyond what most LEO SWAT had did not allow me to carry concealed. I made a conscious choice to become a LEO, which does allow me to carry concealed. You have that option as well. You may apply to be a LEO or you may apply for your own CCW with the Chief of Police or the County Sheriff if you live in an unincorporated area.



You should not turn this post into a "haves vs have nots", because it isn't a pissing contest at all. The discussion was regarding LEO's carrying in Disneyland. And you shouldn't have a chip on your shoulder regarding CCW. You have the option of changing the situation for yourself by applying for a permit or applying to be LEO.

Or working towards changing the laws in your state* you left that out.

What are the narrow exceptions you mention?

[ptmn]

Gawernator, I didn't think about changing of restrictive laws. That's a good catch on your part. I'm all about the right people having firearms, the right people being law abiding citizens without mental or physical deficiencies that would affect safe operation and judgement.

As for narrow exceptions, the only ones I'll mention are those that I've witnessed. First is upon being summoned by a LEO, which falls under Posse Commitatus. An example is an EMT that was operating as a TacMed with a LE agency. He carried during the course of the operation. The second is US Military under certain conditions. While in performance of official duties, military members have carried concealed during the course of business, which usually entails disasters and when transporting certain items the military must be armed. Being armed doesn't always mean open carry of a rifle or carbine, sometimes a handgun is carried under the uniform.

[five.five-six]

Originally Posted by ptmn

You should not turn this post into a "haves vs have nots", because it isn't a pissing contest at all. The discussion was regarding LEO's carrying in Disneyland. And you shouldn't have a chip on your shoulder regarding CCW. You have the option of changing the situation for yourself by applying for a permit or applying to be LEO.

It's not a matter of "haves vs have nots", its a matter of people that fallow the rules vs people that feel they are entitled to break the rules. Rule breakers always find a justification for their criminal behavior and feel fully justified in doing so. If you have been an LEO for any length of time at all, I am sure you are painfully aware of that.

[Gawernator]

Get off the high horse bro. The majority of Americans are able to legally conceal carry or open carry, so stop trying to act like Californians worried about their protection are "criminals". You aren't special.

You don't have any more rights than any other American. You have kids? I'm sure you'd be eating your words if you found out your son or daughter was shot to death in an armed robbery, and they were unable to defend themselves because they didn't want to be "criminals".

/offtopic

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by five.five-six

It's not a matter of "haves vs have nots", its a matter of people that fallow the rules vs people that feel they are entitled to break the rules. Rule breakers always find a justification for their criminal behavior and feel fully justified in doing so.

Again, as previously pointed out in this thread early on, breaking a "rule" (ie company policy) at Disneyland (the original example given), is NOT necessarily a "CRIMINAL" act. Most people understand this concept but a few in the minority, still don't get it.

Originally Posted by five.five-six

If you have been an LEO for any length of time at all, I am sure you are painfully aware of that.

Rather, I'm more sure of the fact that you're "painfully" aware that we recognize that you're NOT an LEO.

This thread was originally focused on the specific question of whether an "OFF DUTY COP" could carry concealed "legally," within Disneyland. A very few "some" seem to always form up this unwarranted and self pity "jealousy" and/or envy against cops related to ccw privileges. Folks, as pointed out previously, go take the tests, pass a background test (if you can) and become a cop. So many that despise cops for whatever reason (in this case, it's the evident ccw issue again), only do so because they themselves could never became a cop for whatever reason.

This thread has definitely turned into a "have vs have-nots" thread, when the answer to the OP's original question has already been simply answered, long ago.

[Librarian]

Yes, this thread really has run its course.

Closed.