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Can I legally buy a shotgun in Florida if I'm a California resident?
I was in Florida for a few days, and saw a shotgun I wanted to buy. Can I legally just buy it, or does it have to go thru a CA FFL?
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You can buy it you just can't take delivery of it in Florida. Federal law requires all laws of the buyer's state to be followed, so for us in Ca that means ship to Ca FFL 10 day wait dealer transfer fee and all the rest.
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If you lived in Real America, and your state of residence did not require using your-state-licensed FFLs, you could do it. California, however, no.
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"I've got a mansion, forget the price,
Ain't never been there, they tell me it's nice..." You can buy it (exchange money for right of ownership) anywhere. You can only acquire it (take physical possession) through an FFL in your state of residence if your state requires that, and CA certainly does.
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YSR, Just a thoughtk but look into taking possession in Florida but having it first imported into CA by having the FL seller send it to your CA FFL for DROS and delivery to you in CA. If that can't be done, give the dealer a hefty deposit (the sales price) and borrow it from the dealer until you are ready to return to CA. Then buy it and have the dealer send it to your CA FFL for DROS and delivery.
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So what part of him taking possession in Florida violates federal law for the FFL dealer are you not understanding? Remember this is how to do it legally and properly, not what can I get away with.
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18 USC 922 (a)(5) covers non-dealers Quote:
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Only if you like the risk of Federal prison for 5 years, or $10K fine, or both, as well as permanent loss of gun rights.
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Thanks, Librarian. These were sporting guns (specifically skeet guns) that the FL dealer would loan/rent to vetted prospective purchasers for as long as a month.
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So, if you're out of state, decide to go skeet shooting with friends and find a shotgun you like, you can't purchase it, compete with it, then send it to your FFL? I'm assuming the same applies to picking up, say a levergun, to go hunting?
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You (CA resident) can purchase it, but the seller will need to ship it to a CA FFL dealer. However, someone can loan/rent you a firearm for temporary sporting purpose use in that State. After the loan/rent, you could then buy it and the seller would then ship it to a CA FFL dealer. You (CA resident) can't take possession of it while out-of-state, unless it's due to a bequeath [18 USC 922(a)(5)(A)] or it's due to a loan/rental for temporary sporting use [18 USC 922(a)(5)(B)].
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My son in law could buy a Winchester 94 in New Mexico, loan it to me to go hunting and then sell it to me to send to an FFL and we're all cool? Technically that is what I'm getting out of this, but I thought that seemed like a bit of a straw purchase. And yes, I've been reading stickies and searches till my eyes bleed and think I've over done it.
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He could bring it here, lend it to you to hunt, and both go to a CA FFL, or you could go to NM, hunt with it, and then send it to a CA FFL. In both cases, talk to the CA FFL first, to discover whether they understand the law and whether they will accept a 'walk-in' in the first case, or they want the gun shipped from another (NM) FFL in the second case.
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Because we know the BATFE could never trace the firearm...
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