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Old 08-09-2018, 6:55 PM
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Default Is $550 too much for 98% condition Marlin 1894 20” 44 mag JM lever gun?

As title states, i found one at a gun shop near me used for $550 before tax and dros. My question, is it worth the money? Does the JM make any difference in value?
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Old 08-09-2018, 7:08 PM
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Well let’s just look at it this way:
We know the JM Marlins were of reputable quality.
We know the transition Rem-Lin's were spotty at best.
The newest Marlins appear to have addressed most of the Rem-Lin issues - but they are generally around $699.
A clean example, for that price, seems reasonable to me (but nothing wrong with a bit of a haggle!)

I thought I overpaid for my 1894 at $299, but it is hands down one of my favorite rifles.
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Old 08-09-2018, 7:17 PM
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Have you had any issues with it? Ive read of some in .357 coming out of marins factory with issues with certain ammo well for ones made during the transition.
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Old 08-09-2018, 7:26 PM
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Old 08-09-2018, 7:30 PM
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Unfortunatly i put a deposit on it already and i do kind of want it but getting opinions on it.
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Old 08-09-2018, 9:23 PM
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I think that is a good deal. Like Plumbum said, we know the JM Marlins were good quality. Hopefully the Marlin quality will return, but as things are today, I’d rather have a nearly new JM Marlin than a new Remington Marlin.

There will probably be a collector interest in the CT built Marlins, like there is with pre 1964 Winchesters or pre lock S&W revolvers.
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Unfortunatly i put a deposit on it already and i do kind of want it but getting opinions on it.
Nothing unfortunately about it, mine was purchased like 20 years ago - it will be a great piece for you. I’ve run a bunch of the Remington 180 grainers downrange - you can feel the ‘thump’ when they impact the target (oh so satisfying).
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That is a good price.
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Yeah that is a decent price OP......I posted in another thread that you could get JM Marlins in pistol calibers for these kinds of prices on a regular basis, and was told I was wrong. Guess I am not wrong.

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Yes. Buy it!
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Bainter, one time is not a regular basis, and if I recall correctly, 550 is well over the price you mentioned.

Good score OP, it’ll be fun!
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Bainter, one time is not a regular basis, and if I recall correctly, 550 is well over the price you mentioned.

Good score OP, it’ll be fun!
No. It is a regular thing, if you pay attention to the CG marketplace. I probably pay more attention than most. And I paid $550 for my Guide Gun. This .44 is on par with that one as far as desirability goes.
All I did is point out (in that other thread) that $700 was not a steal. That's it. A "steal" is a price way below market value....not fair market value.
Not saying they aren't valuable. Please don't strawman me.

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I don't think you can lump all the pistol calibers together.
Just like you can't lump all shotguns together. For a quality shotgun, the 28 gauge & 410 will usually cost more than a 12 or 20 of the same model.

The JM .357s go for a premium, the .44s go for less.
We all watch the lever guns here on CG and we are all (for the most part) cheap/looking for a deal.

Like I said before, Pm me the next time you see a JM .357 in very good or better condition for $700.

EDIT: Or if you can find a JM .357 in very good or better condition for $500 for me that would be even better.

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Old 08-10-2018, 6:59 AM
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Based n the listing prices on the forum, $550 is a good price. They are generally listed for a few hundred more. I'd buy it at that price.
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You are getting ripped off. Cancel the sale, and let me know where it is so I can go reprimand the shop owner.
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Old 08-10-2018, 9:28 AM
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I would also love to find one in 45 colt. The same shop that has the 44, also has a winchester model 94, its the brass reciever octagonal barrel
Commemorative model with 20” barrel in 38-55. However everytime i engaged the lever, the hammer would not stay kicked back in the loaded position, i would have to manually pull the
Hammer after engaging the lever action, to get it to fire (dry fire)

Ive never heard of a lever gun that requires you to
Manually operate the hammer after each lever engagement.
They want $750 for it. Its a beautiful looking rifle but i feel like that is a defect or something is wrong with it.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:26 AM
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:31 AM
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Anyone have ine of these marlins in 44 mag particularly? Anyone experiance any issues with em in any way or if they are picky with ammo? And experiance putting 44 special through it? Has anyone seen one of these in 45 colt?

I would like to also get a single action revolver in 44 mag and or 45 colt as well to go along with it since they share the same ammo.

A 45-70 is also on the eventual list of rifles to get as well.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:45 AM
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I've got a 45 colt that I'm completely in lust with. One of my current favorites that comes out to play as often as possible.
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Old 08-10-2018, 7:01 PM
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Default JM in 44mag

Great gun using full load 44mag can have a bite after shooting a while. No problems however.

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Old 08-10-2018, 7:38 PM
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I'd buy em all day long for 550!!
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Old 08-12-2018, 1:09 PM
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GOOD NEWS, for anyone living in san diego or dont making a drive, i decided against the marlin due to financial reasons at this time, it is still avaulable at $550 over at Gunther guns in Carlsbad, Ca. And because its an ffl, you dont have to put everything down at once. Tell them Adam sent you. Its a 20” marlin 1894 JM stamped in 44 mag for anyone new to this thread.
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Old 08-12-2018, 2:16 PM
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All of that matters is if you think it's a fair price.
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Old 08-12-2018, 3:50 PM
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Well there are a few on here who showed interest in it, i had a deposit on it but now its available for whoever wants it.
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Old 08-12-2018, 4:57 PM
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It's a terrible price! Don't buy it! Where's it at?
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Old 08-12-2018, 5:05 PM
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Gunther guns in carlsbad north county san diego
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After OP decided not to get it, did anyone else go pick it up?

If so, 10 days have passed... post a picture and tell us how it shoots.
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If it was 357 mag it would have been sold in first 20 min!
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I woulda, if it was within an hour or two of me. 😕
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Ive gone back to gunther guns for something else, it was gone so not sure if someone here got it or just someone else in general.
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I've got a marlin 44mag with 24" barrel. I loaded 200 gr rnfp lead bullets at an oal closer to magnun length to feed smoothly with 44 special cases. Shorter would cycle but not as easily. Also have a 44-40 20" that shoots black powder loads a lot cleaner with less residue in the action mostly because of the thinner brass 44- 40 case. The pre remington marlins, particularly the octogan barreled cowboy models have gone up in price. 38/357 models are popular and the 32 magnum models can go for well over a $1000. Also have a 45- 70 cowboy with 26" barrel. Fun to shoot with medium level loads.
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I don't think you can lump all the pistol calibers together.
Just like you can't lump all shotguns together. For a quality shotgun, the 28 gauge & 410 will usually cost more than a 12 or 20 of the same model.

The JM .357s go for a premium, the .44s go for less.
We all watch the lever guns here on CG and we are all (for the most part) cheap/looking for a deal.

Like I said before, Pm me the next time you see a JM .357 in very good or better condition for $700.

EDIT: Or if you can find a JM .357 in very good or better condition for $500 for me that would be even better.
Hmm. Where would this leave the .41 Mag rifles? Those have got to be rare.

Sometimes I kinda regret getting the .44 Mag version instead of the .357, back when I was making my decision, around 2002. I guess at the time I was suffering from .45-70 Envy, since my friends had leverguns with that caliber. But the .357 would have been more practical for plinking and target shooting. Is accuracy generally better with the smaller bore 1894s? Groups tighter I mean. Plus, I don't hunt. And if I ever did need anything with more power and reach I could always grab my Lee-Enfield.
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Where would this leave the .41 Mag rifles? Those have got to be rare.

Honest question: Would "rare" in this case be the same as "not nearly as common"? Perhaps I am splitting hairs, here.

Last time I looked (1.5 years ago, ooops) there were several Marlin 1894 FG (they are a 20" barrel .41 Mag short-rifle configuration with a palm swell buttstock) on GunBroker, but all were north of 1000 dollars.

So, maybe not rare, but because the .41 chambering less common, they're pricey. Too, one might wish to handload for better value because off the shelf cartridges run well over $1.00 each.
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Honest question: Would "rare" in this case be the same as "not nearly as common"? Perhaps I am splitting hairs, here.

Last time I looked (1.5 years ago, ooops) there were several Marlin 1894 FG (they are a 20" barrel .41 Mag short-rifle configuration with a palm swell buttstock) on GunBroker, but all were north of 1000 dollars.

So, maybe not rare, but because the .41 chambering less common, they're pricey. Too, one might wish to handload for better value because off the shelf cartridges run well over $1.00 each.
Yep, all I meant by rare is less common. I don't know which years they made them exactly, but I'm sure it was a much shorter run than the other two. It was definitely around in the early 2000s when I was looking.
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I bought my 1894 44 mag from Kmart Sept 20 1979 still have it and the paperwork I wouldn't take $550 for it its just fun to shoot. Favorite load is a cast 205 gr flat point with unique powder not much recoil and accurate. I haven't shot anything heavier then 240 grains when I load jacketed bullets at that weight I like Win. 296 powder loaded just under max recommended. If l bought another it would be in 45 Colt. The I'd have rifles to go with my two Runger Blackhawks.
I have loaded 44 SPL and the rifle cycles them fine but with the 205 grain why bother & I have a lot more 44 mag cases then 44 split.

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^ ^ ^ Tom, that sounds like a winner. I'll be downloading some .44 Mag cases with Green Dot and a 250 grain slug. Looking to get somewhere in the vicinity of 1100 fps. (Favorite handload right now is a heavy .44 Special; same bullet over Unique for 950 fps).



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Two years ago I scored a 2005-made FG. It has become my favorite, although I don't shoot it nearly as much as my 1894CS357.
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Congrats..... nice rifles....you have now been bitten by the Lever bug....4-5 is never enough...lol
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Hmm. Where would this leave the .41 Mag rifles? Those have got to be rare.
Not sure, I've only been looking for one in .357 (to go with a Ruger GP100)...

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Congrats..... nice rifles....you have now been bitten by the Lever bug....4-5 is never enough...lol
I'm afraid that you are probably right. Why does this always have to happen?
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In this state id rather have a lever gun to “neutered AR/AK
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^ ^ ^ Tom, that sounds like a winner. I'll be downloading some .44 Mag cases with Green Dot and a 250 grain slug. Looking to get somewhere in the vicinity of 1100 fps. (Favorite handload right now is a heavy .44 Special; same bullet over Unique for 950 fps).
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According to Lyman #49 you can get over 1600+ fps with 240 jacketed bullet using Winchester 296. Check it out
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