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Old 08-24-2012, 11:56 AM
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A little over a month ago I bought out first handgun(Sig Sp2022 9mm). We love it! but my wife has really taken a liking to it and has caused me to look for something that will be mine. I decided on getting another 9mm just to save on ammo cost and we can share back and forth at the range.

I am not picky about DA/SA or Striker fired. Out of all the guns I've tried, this is what I've narrowed it down to:

Striker: SA XD9 Service or Rugar SR9 (preferring the XD)

DA/SA: FNP 9 or Taurus PT92

I don't like the feel of Glocks and the Beretta's slide mounted decocker/safety. I've heard great things about CZ but think it might be out of price range.

Wondering if I should stick with DA/SA for continuity for my wife.

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CZs are in your price range if you are looking at those models.

I'm a fan of the XD's also though, great guns and a bit easier to maintain, along with a easier to get accustomed to trigger.
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DA/SA is my preferred, because I like to reholster a lot, and not undo a safety when unholstering.

CZ's are thin right now but might be worth waiting for.
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If you like the Sig so much then why don't you get another Sig? If you like the SP2022 then you'll love the P226.
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CZ's are awesome and definitely in your price range. Look for a 75b thy should be about your range, An accurate as hell!!
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You can find Cz 75 b for $520 and up. just depends where you live.
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Big CZ fan here and, with thinner grips (widely available), it's going to fit your wife's hands a lot better than the 2022. The factory rubber grips might be too thick, and the factory plastic grips would probably be okay. FNP 9 would also likely be a better fit. However, you already have a polymer frame DA/SA gun, so I say go CZ and get something metal. Maybe a P-01... (which CZ Custom just got back in stock)
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If you like the Sig so much then why don't you get another Sig? If you like the SP2022 then you'll love the P226.
Did you miss the money thing?

Plus, if he gets another Sig he will never know how overpriced and mediocre they are.

Just kidding.............sort of.
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Did you miss the money thing?

Plus, if he gets another Sig he will never know how overpriced and mediocre they are.

Just kidding.............sort of.
No, I never missed the money thing cuz he never said what his budget was. And Sigs are far better than mediocre
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No, I never missed the money thing cuz he never said what his budget was. And Sigs are far better than mediocre
He tacitly implied what his budget is:

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I've heard great things about CZ but think it might be out of price range.
CZ's are less expensive than Sig's ergo P226 is out of budget for sure. Also note price range of models being considered (not to mention cost of 2022).

I would also agree that Sigs are mediocre, especially considering the price. X5 is pretty sick, but there are other guns I'd get first in that price range.
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No, I never missed the money thing cuz he never said what his budget was. And Sigs are far better than mediocre
Just an opinion about Sigs, having had them apart.

The price thing, since he was considering a couple of $400 guns I divined that a $800 might be out of his range. Unless he was going to buy two.

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I'm trying to stay around $500. I agree in the fact that it would be fun to try an all metal pistol. As far as Sig's being mediocre, the $450 I paid for mine with night sights will hit 2inch groups at 15 yards and the SA trigger is sweet!

Any thoughts on the PT92?
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I'm trying to stay around $500. I agree in the fact that it would be fun to try an all metal pistol. As far as Sig's being mediocre, the $450 I paid for mine with night sights will hit 2inch groups at 15 yards and the SA trigger is sweet!

Any thoughts on the PT92?
Not a fan of the 92 platform. Though I do like that they ditched the slide safety. Grips are quite large on them, so the wife may not like it much.
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Great Thread. I am right there with you. I am looking too.

I am entertaining Sig 229 or 239.

I have 226 now and love it. Always have. I also like glock 19 too.

Like what was mentioned, you like sig go for it!

Get one based on a situation you could use it for......
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:19 PM
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She was very clear on "Get what you want." But I'm trying to consider her anyway.
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Yes.

Too bad you were not looking for something last month when I sold two CZ's, here, for less than $500 with fees.

I really think I know less than most about handguns, but I would not get in a rush, if I were you. There are deals out there, and the guns you are looking at are run of the mill. Get those 5 Benjamins in hand and be ready to spend them on the gun you want.

As for the 2022, everyone else did it, so Sig did. That isn't Swiss quality, that is following the crowd.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:43 PM
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The Ruger SR9 is a great gun, I'm trying to get a second one.
I can't recommend it more highly than I do, and I'm fairly sure the SR9 will be a serious contender against the Glock 17 for America's premier police pistol.

As for the Sig 2022 that seems to be dominating the conversation:
Sig realized that they needed a less expensive gun to compete effectively in today's arms market; the 2022 is the result of that realization.
Sig banked on their reputation for quality to carry them while selling aluminum frame guns for $800+; but with high quality polymers getting cheaper and cheaper, they couldn't hold onto their market share if they didn't put out a cheaper gun.

I'm not sure why posters are automatically equating polymer frames to lower quality. Modern polymers are stronger than steel, they're just easier to work with and far lighter. It's just a different material.

If you believed Sig was the epitome of fine Swiss gunsmithing, what makes you suddenly assume their quality is dropped to "0" when working in a slightly different medium?
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I don't think their metal-frame guns are very good right now either. The company got bought out and their quality has gone downhill. So has their customer service. I know a handful of people who have purchased Sigs in the last year or two, from 2022's up to 229's, and every single one has been in for warranty work at least once (which was a HUGE hassle to even get through to Sig CS on the phone). Sig is the only firearms company that I saw (and I looked at a list of 7 or 8) with an F rating with the BBB and dozens of consumer complaints filed... the others are A or A+ rated.

We've all seen photos of new Sigs full of rust, with defective parts, having various failures to function, etc etc etc. Their quality is not what it was, polymer or otherwise. I would get a CZ P-07 (polymer frame) 1,000 times over before I got a Sig 2022, 226, or 229. I'd probably also go M&P, FN, PX4, Caracal or really just dozens of other guns before the Sig. I have NOTHING against polymer whatsoever (and I carry a Beretta Nano).

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...that said, it does seem that the Sig 1911's and the Sig P239 and P938 are pretty nice guns (although the 938 isn't proven yet and it clearly has some growing pains so far). I considered a 938 for carry but $700++ is freakin' steep for what it is...

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I agree with some of the other post on here. The CZ is now my favorite!! Price range is reasonable, May have to wait as they're hot items right now - but worth the wait!!

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I'm a huge CZ fan after getting my SP-01 recently, and don't tell anyone but if the price on it were $200-$300 higher (like most of the guns I consider comparable to it) I would still buy it and be very happy with it.

75B's can be had in your price range, or close enough to save a few more bucks for. I would recomend shooting one before you buy.

My nightstand gun used to be a Sig P239, but it didn't take long for the CZ to send the Sig off to sleep in the safe with everybody else.
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I have a CZ75b, an FNP9, an XD, and an SR9. Of those four, the CZ is by far my favorite, and the SR9 by far my worst one.
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I don't think their metal-frame guns are very good right now either. The company got bought out and their quality has gone downhill. So has their customer service. I know a handful of people who have purchased Sigs in the last year or two, from 2022's up to 229's, and every single one has been in for warranty work at least once (which was a HUGE hassle to even get through to Sig CS on the phone). Sig is the only firearms company that I saw (and I looked at a list of 7 or 8) with an F rating with the BBB and dozens of consumer complaints filed... the others are A or A+ rated.
Well that sucks - but I've heard similar horror stories about Smith and Wesson of late.

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Well that sucks - but I've heard similar horror stories about Smith and Wesson of late.
I guess there are always stories about every company, but...

http://www.bbb.org/central-western-m...ield-ma-201483

http://www.bbb.org/concord/business-...ter-nh-3005510

Even Kel-Tec gets a B- http://www.bbb.org/central-florida/b...a-fl-170535223

http://www.bbb.org/connecticut/busin...rt-ct-41001066

http://www.bbb.org/central-illinois/...seo-il-9003575

http://www.bbb.org/greensboro/busine...son-nc-4004906

http://www.bbb.org/central-western-m...ield-ma-201236

http://www.bbb.org/connecticut/busin...rd-ct-32000116
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Went to Triple A Sporting Goods in Vallejo and they have a CZ 75bd in stock for $550. As soon as I held it the Taurus PT92 fell off my list. I really like it, but I would like to shoot one first. Kinda a principle I have about buying handguns.
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If you are speaking to me, I was tongue in cheek. The Swiss are very good machinists, and better business people. They probably build a very good plastic gun, and do it for the latter reason, not the first.
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My 02 is regarding the two striker-fired guns you mentioned. I've shot them both recently and I went with the Springfield. It just felt better for me. I got a good deal from a fellow Calgunner through the Marketplace.
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I sure someone in here has a cz 75b and is willing to let you shoot it, if you buy the ammo of course, I would let you shoot my sp-01 but I'm to far from you
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Since this is only your 2nd one, buy something completely different that you like. Your wife may decide she likes the new one better than the Sig. Variety is nice.
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S&W M&P 9 Full Size. With a proper grip, this gun is fast getting back on target.
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Going back and forth between the XD and the CZ. The XD feels great in my hand but the CZ is growing on me. The accessories for the XD seem to be cheaper. Just thinking about total cost of ownership.
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Get another SP2022 and you and your wife can share magazines.
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Get another SP2022 and you and your wife can share magazines.
What he said...since you liked it and then your wife took it over...might as well get another one...I am unfamiliar with this gun, can you get one in a different finish than the first one? Then it would be truly a his and hers thing.

I'll give a shout out for the new S&W Shield 9mm. I really like mine, uh I mean my wife's....hahahaha
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I brought up the idea of getting another Sig and she said she would rather me get something different for more variety at the range.

This Sig foes come in a stainless slide but it is ridiculously more expensive.
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Cz all the way... Awesome guns with truly remarkable prices and reliability
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CZ P-01 or SP-01 (medium or large).

Once you own/shoot a CZ it will all makes sense. Since you already have a Sig, you like the finer things in life. The CZ would make the perfect stable mate for the Sig at a fraction of the cost.
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I guess I've been lucky, but my Sig P226, Sig 1911, Sig 522, and Sig SP2022 have all been flawless. I recently sold the SP2022, but still have the others. I called Sig CS once because I heard they had improved on some of the internals of the 522. The CS representative was happy to send the upgraded parts to me even though I haven't had any problems with the 522. Haven't needed Sig's CS for anything else, so what can I say?

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If you are speaking to me, I was tongue in cheek. The Swiss are very good machinists, and better business people. They probably build a very good plastic gun, and do it for the latter reason, not the first.
I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, it's just a sentiment I see on gun forums often. None the less, glad to see someone else arriving at the more logical conclusion.
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I have a Browning High Power which I've owned for years. No gun fits my hand better than the BHP, however, to be honest it is least accurate handgun I own.

If I had it my way, this would be my favorite handgun, instead based on it's performance, it's my least favorite.
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I've had a Browning Hp for years also and it's pretty dead on. Those Sig 2022s are nice, but, the mags are $40 bucks or more! The CZ75b will accept the SP-01 18 round rebuild kits. I have both and I love that the mags are interchangeable. I had a 2022, but, sold it for cheap to a good buddy with 3 rebuild kits, so I still get to shoot it!
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