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Bergara LRP?
Are any of you gunsmiths and/or long range experts familiar with the Bergara LRP? The difference in the real world street prices between the LRP and LRP elite is about $500. Besides the obvious difference of the Elite having the Magpul stock, is it worth the 500 bucks over the non-Elite?
http://bergarausa.com/bergara_premie..._lrp_rifle.php http://www.bergarausa.com/bergara_pr...lite_rifle.php |
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Don't mean to derail but why spend that much on a factory rifle when you can have a custom build made to your liking.
Sure the wait time sucks, but that's the only con I see.
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I don't want a custom rifle. I want something with a warranty, that more than one person on earth can work on. And I don't want a Remington, which is what every gunsmith seems to want to push.
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I'm not saying that the Berga is a POS. But from reading their warranty, it leaves it pretty open. Quote:
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Also if you have a gunsmith that tells you they can't work on a bolt action rifle because its not a 700 or then your using the wrong smith. It sounds like you have some misconceptions about custom rifles vs factory. Last edited by NorCalFocus; 12-29-2017 at 7:13 AM.. |
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Buy a 700 5r. Better than the Bergara 1moa guarantee, you dont need a gunsmith to ever touch it. If you want it looking all tactical, get the gen 2 black one and put whatever chassis you want on in it. No gun smith needed, just a screw driver and torque wrench. https://www.remington.com/rifles/bol...threaded-gen-2 This is coming from a Winchester 70, Savage 10, Rem 700 and Defiance build owner. it's just the better choice. If you want to buy something to be different, nothing wrong with that. But dont expect to find many that are willing to work on it. |
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Ever look at Fierce? 1/2 MOA Guarantee. $2,050.
http://fiercearms.com/products/fury-models/fury-model |
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Get a Savage 110 or Remington 783. Almost everybody can work on them.
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With the LRP (non-elite) you can't attach a Magpul PRS, or similar style stock with molded anti-rotation dowels, without modification to the stock. For 2018 models, Bergara will start using TriggerTech triggers instead of Timney. I'd probably get the LRP model and put the rest of the money towards a scope.
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Bolt actions have so few parts that warranty is a non-issue. I don't understand your "more than one person on earth can work on" statement Do you think a custom build can only be handled by 1 person? I don't understand the logic there. For example, I've got a Remington 700 that was done over by Predator Custom Shop (when they were still doing work). Spartan Precision spun a new barrel (Bartlein), installed a trigger (Timney), and more. The rifle does 5 shot groups in the .3's and would do better with a better shooter behind it. Point being, multiple people have touched this rifle and it is a laser. If I need a new barrel a few years from now, anyone can put a new one on since it's only a Remington 700.
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And yet that's exactly what you did...
I guess it's true when someone says "don't mean to ___" that's exactly what they plan on doing.
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At first I was only looking for a short response, and when I received it I left it a lone until others chimed. To the OP, someone recently posted their Bergara in the gallery. Maybe they'll chime in shortly. Sent from my SM-G920T1 using Tapatalk
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I would go for the cheapest Tikka you can find
And a custom barrel This will turn it into a 0.25 MOA or better rifle And modify the rest down the road . . .
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I saw a youtube where a guy really gushed over the Elite saying it was a huge bargain but didn't really explain why. Quote:
I just don't see the point in buying a custom rifle if I can find one I like right off the shelf. I don't brag to other people about how much I spend on guns. |
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Remington fanboys LOL
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LOL NS huh talk about fan boys and I thought the Glock dudes were bad. Bergara is an awesome rifle I almost got the HMR instead of my Ashbury. Couldn't pass it up due to the price or I'd be shooting an HMR right now.
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Your constant and never ending criticism of the Remington 700 speaks volumes to those that actually know something about bolt action Rifles. You don't own any rifle that will outshoot one of my 700's and you most likely never will. If you ever get the chance to shoot an accurate rifle it would be an opportunity you should take. SigStroker And I don't want a Remington, which is what every gunsmith seems to want to push. Ask yourself WHY EVERY GUNSMITH pushes the 700? And yes there is a very valid reason. Ask yourself why every custom is a Remington clone and yes there is a very valid reason. It sounds like your main goal is finding a rifle every gunsmith has a ton of experience with and for that just look for one that has the most parts on it like a Savage. As to your Bergara question on the stock it is a XLR stock and they are very nice stocks. If you want to shoot it off of a bench no chassis stock is any good for that purpose. Yes you can add tracking rails or a accuracy asset to help them out or you can simply start out with the right parts in the first place. I didn't see were you are located but if your in northern California you are welcome to shoot some of my hunting and bench guns to see how they function. At our NorCal November match we had a lady shooter at her first 2000+ yard match shoot one of my rifles and with less than 20 rounds fired she qualified for 2586 yards and became the first lady to ever do that. 100 grains of powder a 300 grain bullet and virtually no recoil no muzzleblast and easy to shoot. In the end it's your money so spend it as you think best. We are here just trying to help people avoid costly mistakes. It doesn't take that long to build a semi custom anymore. GrabaGun has Remington 700 actions for around $325. Grizzly has Bartlein Barrels in stock as do many others so a week maybe two. Everybody has Jewell triggers. The biggest wait is getting a gunsmith to screw on the barrel but the end product is so accurate you won't believe it.
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I am in the process of purchasing a b14 in 7mm for a back up hunting rifle.
At the store I work part time at we sell alot of Bergara's and have not one complaint. Nice off the shelf weapons for the cost! |
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b14 looks like a great value
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I have no dog in this fight and don't have the knowledge of some of you guys. but I understand what the OP is saying. Go with what you want.
Would like to see a stock, out of the box similar bergara vs the famous 700 vs tikka and see who the winner.
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Cute video if we where talking about similarly priced rifles but we aren't. FishnHunt The Bergara sells for $2300 the Tikka runs $800 and the Remington runs $450. The Remington with a custom barrel runs $1100 and will outshoot the $2300 Bergara. In out of the box form the most expensive rifle should always outshoot the cheapest rifle but this is not always true. A dedicated Benchrest Rifle will outshoot any tactical or PRS rifle hands down and cost half as much. You can't take a dedicated Benchrest Rifle to a Tactical or PRS type match and expect to win but not because it won't shoot but because it is not the rifle to use for that type of shooting. In the end most shooters will buy what THEY WANT and won't take the advice of anyone else.
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And when you claim a $450 Remington with an $1100 barrel, with no action work, no trigger work, no extractor work, and no stock work, still out shoots a $2300 Bergara it makes you look disingenuous. |
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Anyway, back to your point. I'd like to know what your intended use is since you don't intend to hunt, but you also don't want an overly accurate rifle (for less money). You want something with warranty because you're set on the fact that the rifle will possibly need to be worked on; bolt guns just don't break. Doing a tactical shoot of some sort? This is a genuine question regarding you purchasing a Bergara.
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The Bergara LRP street price is around $1800 or so and is an outstanding rifle for the money. If you like the XLR chassis and would buy one anyway for whichever rifle you choose the LRP is an incredible value. Look at all you get from it... Bergara premier action (Made in the USA and better then the B-14 action), An XLR chassis (~$600+ value), Timney Trigger (~$120 value), Cerakote action and barrel (~$200 value), 20MOA mount (~$100 value), Dead Air Break Suppressor Mount (~$80 value), AICS Magazine.
To get all this put on a Remington would cost you way more and don't forget to add in gunsmithing costs if you get a Remington action and custom barrel... Around $200-300 for labor alone. I went with a custom action, Criterion barrel and an XLR Element chassis. However if I had decided to go with a factory gun it would have been the Bergara LRP for substantially less money then what I paid. The LRP is an incredible value in my opinion if you like all the extras it comes with. My very very close 2nd choice would have been the Tikka T3X CTR 24" barrel and I would have replaced the stock with the XLR Element. Finished price around the same as the Bergara LRP. Last edited by Lamski; 01-02-2018 at 2:23 PM.. |
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Lynn, you and other missed the part where I said ‘similar’ rifles out of box.
That means plain tikka t3 is around 500 and I’ll put it up against any $500 Remington. If entry level bergara is 600 or $700. Then Get all 3 rifles around the same price. I know I have seen Remington 700s for more than $450, especially their tactical Ones. I want to compare apples to apples. Last edited by FishnHunt; 01-02-2018 at 5:40 PM.. |
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The LRP Elite is.... okay.
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Here is another poster and how much it cost him to build 700. And I won’t bring up the target pics
So last year when I was flush with cash I put together a Rem 700 in .223 Barrel..Lothar Walther..$488 Stock.. Mcmillen $896 3-5A adjustable Scope..Nightforce $1,780 5 X 22 X 56 Bi-pod..$77 Extended Bolt knob..$31 sling swivels.. $28 Receiver.. $500 Sling.. $13 Bottom metal..$200 Magazine (2) $180 Trigger..$200 Scope base..$116 Scope rings..$252 Total.......$4,761
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Op my brother bought a hmr in 6.5. Slung up on a mat I had fun on 10" steel up in Stonyford at 900 yards Saturday and Sunday. I have 300 rounds through that gun in two days and I like it. Sako style extractor, AI mags, a nice stock that isn't too heavy and a barrel that shoots. I don't shoot from a bench and I don't have some fantasy about the coolest rifle on a bipod that will kill anything at 1000 yards with a .308- heck I don't even own a bipod. I shoot for a practical rifle I can make hits with at that distance. 700's have failings and the fact it's a Remington/freedom group product is probably the biggest one. I have a 30-06 700 I've had fail to feed while hunting bear and it's just the icing on the cake for that gun. My wing master is great but I'll never buy another product from them. A built 700 action in my opinion isn't anything like a Remington factory gun -unless the Smith is a hack- and they are everywhere cause people like them. It just doesn't float my boat one bit. I would buy the begera, but I'm not going to in 6.5 I will get it in .308 for hunting. I've decided to move forward on building a 6.5 on a closed action tikka or sako for long range with a relatively low weight. It is just my data point and isn't worth much. I don't know what you looking to do exactly but I would stay away from that stock on that beregra your looking because the pistol grip on the stock on the hmr is really good as far what I'm looking for ergo wise and I'm not up on a rest / bipod- If it's just because it nice and badass then lay down the $100 bills, make it happen and enjoy. Nice gun would bang
Good luck
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It's your money to spend as you please so don't follow my advice at all. I am merely posting so those considering the Bergara can get factual information and avoid a costly mistake. And your evaluation of the 700 is all wrong but that is okay as you will learn soon enough. I have a 700 Remington with said barrel and after you get your Bergara you can come over and show me how much better your Bergara shoots. I will bring you a crow recipe.
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I wouldn't buy a $116 scope base or $252 rings I wouldn't use a Lothar barrel the trigger would run $165 and the gun wouldn't have any magazines or bottom metal at all. I also wouldn't give $500 for a Remington Action.
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Bergara LRP?
It will really come down to what you want the rifle to do and what features you want on the rifle. All the names being thrown around on this thread will shoot fine, but all might not be the setup you want.
People want different things out of rifles and should buy the rifle that they want. For most people the difference between an sub Moa and a 1/2 moa doesn’t matter. For some it does. Some people want a certain barrel length, twist, finish, stock, trigger, etc. There are a lot of nice rifles out there to pick from but the one you want. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Bergara only makes hunting and Tactical rifles. They sell for $2300-$2850 and Remington and Tika don't make any rifles at that price point. The OP wants a rifle any gunsmith can work on yet most gunsmiths have never seen let alone worked on a Bergara rifle. He is also confused about shooting a rifle from a bench and a Benchrest rifle. Remington doesn't make or sell a Benchrest rifle and you can't have a gunsmith turn a Remington into a Benchrest rifle just a rifle that when shot from the bench is extremely accurate. A Benchrest Rifle is made from a Kelbly Borden BAT Farley Stiller action and no Benchrest rifle in the United States uses a Bergara barrel. There barrels run from $90-$280 and the contours are all wrong for Benchrest shooting and most serious varmint rifles. Most hunters don't want a 10+ pound hunting rifle before adding the scope the base and the rings.
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once you minus off everything youd have to buy for the Bergara its just under $2500....and yes WAY WAY to much for what he ended up with IMHO. this is a $2825(including smith)rifle minus the scope,rings and bipod...which youd have to buy for the Bergara... curtis customs action timney calvin elite trigger 23" hawkhill barrel 8 twist chambered in 6.5x47 area 419 brake MPA comp chassis |
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