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Old 09-09-2017, 5:36 PM
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Default 6.5mm Lead Free Projectiles

I posted a link to this 6 mo ago, and since then several new bullets have come available from Maker Bullets, Cavity Back Bullets and Lehigh Defense.

Great news for the 6.5mm hunter in CA.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...he-6.5-Grendel
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Old 09-10-2017, 3:11 PM
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Lehigh are actually cheaper than barnes . wow . lehigh are ok for hunting ?
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The original Chaos was designed for varmint eradication - creating a significant wound without over penetration. The new version will be interesting and give similar results with less fragmentation.
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All lead free required for hunting must be approved by DFG keep that in mind.
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Old 09-17-2017, 7:52 AM
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I know that the new manufacturers have applied here in CA
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Cavity Back Bullets on the approved list.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/...tion/certified

So is Lehigh.

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List has been updated with the new Lehigh Defense 110 gr Controlled Chaos.
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Old 11-30-2017, 4:35 AM
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The new 110gr Controlled Chaos is not yet on the CA Approved list.
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Do the projectiles have a marking? How would they even know?
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They look very different than the approved 95gr Controlled Chaos.

How will they determine which bullet you use? My guess is that probably they will be placing the burden of proof back on you.
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They look very different than the approved 95gr Controlled Chaos.

How will they determine which bullet you use? My guess is that probably they will be placing the burden of proof back on you.
Again, how will they do this check in the field? Fish and Game have almost zero knowledge in the field on this. Are they going to confiscate your ammo? Can't hold a magnet to it and that's about all I've heard of before for steel.


I know of nothing they can carry in the field that would work to check for lead free. Going around confiscating a round from every hunter they run into and logging the info sounds like, well, a joke.

I'm all for using this new projectile as I need a replacement for the 123 sst but would like to know how they will go about checking all of those that don't.

Keep us posted on the results of these new projectiles. I'm guessing around 107 gr for the copper load for Grendel will be the sweet spot.

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Old 09-26-2018, 11:16 AM
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The Controlled Chaos 110 and 120 are now on the list
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Anybody know if Maker Trex will be on the list?
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I have little field experience with copper bullets.

My observations on smaller caliber bullets and nosler partitions was not favorable. It is analogous.

I have killed about 100 deer and hogs in California. Witnessed a bunch more than that. Smaller cals, 6mm, 25, etc need violent expansion to kill cleanly. Back in the lead days partitions behaved like modern all copper bullets. They penciled thought and came out the off side. Most to of the time the deer or hog required multiple hits to fall, or was lost.

My son shot his first pig, a tiny one, with a 308 and barnes copper bullets....three times, in the chest, before it fell.

I now use a 35 Whelen and Barnes copper ammo. Hopefully the larger bullet will take care of business.

My point is that copper bullets suck. Hedge your bet and go larger.
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Again, how will they do this check in the field? Fish and Game have almost zero knowledge in the field on this. Are they going to confiscate your ammo? Can't hold a magnet to it and that's about all I've heard of before for steel.


I know of nothing they can carry in the field that would work to check for lead free. Going around confiscating a round from every hunter they run into and logging the info sounds like, well, a joke.

I'm all for using this new projectile as I need a replacement for the 123 sst but would like to know how they will go about checking all of those that don't.

Keep us posted on the results of these new projectiles. I'm guessing around 107 gr for the copper load for Grendel will be the sweet spot.

Actually there is a handheld unit thats used to read the elements of any material. Its call an xrf reader. They can hook it up to a laptop and powered by the patrol vehicles electrical system. Only thing is the unit is very pricey. Though im sure kommi can afford it with all the increased taxes and fees
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I wish nosler would make a lead free in 6.5 its just compressed copper shavings. right now for my 260 its costing 60.00 for 100 rounds of barnes ttsx.
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Default I blasted a hog with 6-5 Grendel with E-Tip

Full Speed run at 150 yards with a Nosler E-Tip from a 24" ALexander Arms Overwatch. Hand load. DEVASTED rear quarter and ruined both hams. I can tell you honestly that E-tips actually DO expand at anything over 1800 feet and make huge wound cavities. That hog kicked into high gear because I didn't lead it enough and placed the shot poorly. Won't be shooting at moving targets again, that's for sure. It ran about 30 more yards around the corner into some trees and laid down in the grass. When I walked up into it's view it got up and tried to "charge" me, in vain. I head shot it and dropped it, however, it was still twitching and my buddy head shot it again because he got there first, but the head shot I did blew it's jaw off and made quite a mess of things. Bone splinters everywhere. Same for the hams unfortunately. I am going to stick with these new lead free bullets to avoid the lead splatter in the meat. Like anything, you have to use the right gun and ammo for the right task.
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Full Speed run at 150 yards with a Nosler E-Tip from a 24" ALexander Arms Overwatch. Hand load. DEVASTED rear quarter and ruined both hams. I can tell you honestly that E-tips actually DO expand at anything over 1800 feet and make huge wound cavities. That hog kicked into high gear because I didn't lead it enough and placed the shot poorly. Won't be shooting at moving targets again, that's for sure. It ran about 30 more yards around the corner into some trees and laid down in the grass. When I walked up into it's view it got up and tried to "charge" me, in vain. I head shot it and dropped it, however, it was still twitching and my buddy head shot it again because he got there first, but the head shot I did blew it's jaw off and made quite a mess of things. Bone splinters everywhere. Same for the hams unfortunately. I am going to stick with these new lead free bullets to avoid the lead splatter in the meat. Like anything, you have to use the right gun and ammo for the right task.

My experiences so far with etips is it has shot groups so so to horrible. But i havent tested enough of it to throw in the towel. The last factory loads i shot by nosler etips in 6.5c shot 3-4” groups. Dissapointed i was. Smh
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As a hunter who rolls his own; I can say with certainty that the 127gr Barnes LRX is the best California Approved lead-free bullet for the 6.5. I have killed numerous deer and pigs with this little wonder-bullet over the last few years.








The rare instances where bullets are actually recovered, they exhibit perfect expansion and weight retention.







These bullets are also extremely accurate. I find it easy to regularly get 5-shot groups in the .2"s with these bullets.




I have not had near as good results with the GMX and Nosler E-tip. In my opinion, the 127gr LRX is an obvious winner here.
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DD - what's your load in the Creedmoor?
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I wish nosler would make a lead free in 6.5 its just compressed copper shavings. right now for my 260 its costing 60.00 for 100 rounds of barnes ttsx.
I use 6.5 E-Tips for my Creedmoor, and half that price.
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I have not had near as good results with the GMX and Nosler E-tip. In my opinion, the 127gr LRX is an obvious winner here.
When you say “not as good results”, do you mean accuracy or hunting performance. If performance, in what way?
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The 85 gr T-REX from Maker is performing very well in coyote and hogs. Opening to .800 and staying in the animal.
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