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Old 02-12-2018, 11:14 PM
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I was there and I agree with this:
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Mark Essick is the clear choice.
Thankfully, it seems that most of the current Sheriff force are supporting Essick.
Hopefully he said what he believed (regarding supporting shall issue) and didn't change his message for the crowd. The other two are definitely on the wrong side with this and other issues.

Someone did videotape the forum. I haven't heard yet if it's available anywhere.

Unfortunately, we have office rent to pay, and these fundraising meetings are one way we pay our bills.
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I was there and I agree with this:


Thankfully, it seems that most of the current Sheriff force are supporting Essick.
Hopefully he said what he believed (regarding supporting shall issue) and didn't change his message for the crowd. The other two are definitely on the wrong side with this and other issues.

Someone did videotape the forum. I haven't heard yet if it's available anywhere.

Unfortunately, we have office rent to pay, and these fundraising meetings are one way we pay our bills.
Getting Sonoma to turn green would be a HUGE win for the bay area and just might convince some other bay area Sheriffs to loosen their policies as well.
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I feel pretty confident they Essick will win the race. He’s the right guy and he is backed by the right people.
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Old 02-14-2018, 9:46 AM
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I feel pretty confident they Essick will win the race. He’s the right guy and he is backed by the right people.
While I hope you are correct, leave nothing to chance: whoever wins the sheriffs race will likely be your sheriff for at least 12 years, barring any major scandals. If Essick is for SD = GC, but he does not win, you guy could be (whatever'ed) for the next decade.

Sacto won't pass SI and we've learned the hard way with various Carry Cases not to count on the fed courts or SCOTUS. Even if Nat'l Reciprocity passes, it could be tied up in the courts for MANY years before it takes effect, if ever....

Fight for Essick like he's you're only hope for a CA CCW because that may very well be true....
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While I hope you are correct, leave nothing to chance: whoever wins the sheriffs race will likely be your sheriff for at least 12 years, barring any major scandals. If Essick is for SD = GC, but he does not win, you guy could be (whatever'ed) for the next decade.

Sacto won't pass SI and we've learned the hard with with various Carry Cases not to count on the fed courts or SCOTUS. Even if Nat'l Reciprocity passes, it could be tied up in the courts for MANY years before it takes effect, if ever....

Fight for Essick like he's you're only hope for a CA CCW because that may very well be true....
My union is backing him and Im supporting him for more reasons than just a ccw. Hes the right choice for a lot of reasons.
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Old 02-14-2018, 2:38 PM
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I was there and I agree with this:
I'm glad to hear this.


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Thankfully, it seems that most of the current Sheriff force are supporting Essick.


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I’m supporting him for more reasons than just a ccw. He’s the right choice for a lot of reasons.
Funny how those CLEOs who are right about CCWs are often right about other criminal justice issues....

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Getting Sonoma to turn green would be a HUGE win for the bay area and just might convince some other bay area Sheriffs to loosen their policies as well.
IMO, the best we could hope for from Sonoma going "green" is that Napa would follow.

I'm less optimistic than you. While I think switching Sonoma and Napa to some shade of green is long overdue, I don't think either will impact the lower SFBA counties (SF, SM, SC, Ala, CoCoCo). Frankly, I don't think either would even pressure Marin or Yolo to issue. But Sonoma & Napa going green can't hurt and it would make the map look prettier!
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Marin won't change until Doyle is gone. He's entrenched.
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Old 02-15-2018, 6:57 PM
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Marin won't change until Doyle is gone. He's entrenched.
Taking this off topic for a minute: Any idea when that will be?
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No clue. I haven't seen any indication he has opposition this election. He's also coroner, so has quite a bit of support in the county. The a hat DA is leaving this year, so at least that's a start.

If Sonoma goes SI I am seriously going to consider relocating.

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No clue. I haven't seen any indication he has opposition this election. He's also coroner, so has quite a bit of support in the county. The a hat DA is leaving this year, so at least that's a start.

If Sonoma goes SI I am seriously going to consider relocating.
Really??? That guy is a class-A idiot. Whoever replaces him has to be an improvement as I don't think they could be any worse.
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Old 02-16-2018, 1:18 PM
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OT: happy to continue in the Marin thread

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The three candidates were at the Flamingo today, and I had a couple of minutes face to face when Essick was talking about CCW.
Bottom line, if you think Sonoma County will become "shall issue" under him, you would be wrong. Period.
Based on what he stated, and the example that he gave, under his watch, Sonoma County would become a good cause CCW.
Personal self defense "just because" would not be considered good cause.
However, he gave an example of a recently denied CCW that he stated he, personally, would have accepted after the hoops had been jumped through, and it was a reasonable cause (carrying large amounts of money or valuables as part of a job).
He also said that in that particular case, there would have been a conditional license, meaning that the CCW would only be allowed as part and parcel of the job, not a blanket license to carry 24/7.

I found his answers to be fair and reasonable, and of the three, I would pick him hands down. It's not Constitutional carry, but better than what we have now.
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Old 02-16-2018, 8:55 PM
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That's a shame. Not unexpected, however.
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Old 02-17-2018, 7:22 AM
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The three candidates were at the Flamingo today, and I had a couple of minutes face to face when Essick was talking about CCW.
Bottom line, if you think Sonoma County will become "shall issue" under him, you would be wrong. Period.

Based on what he stated, and the example that he gave, under his watch, Sonoma County would become a good cause CCW.
ALL counties are "good cause" counties since that is what the state's law requires. The question is what would he accept as sufficient Good Cause.

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Personal self defense "just because" would not be considered good cause.
However, he gave an example of a recently denied CCW that he stated he, personally, would have accepted after the hoops had been jumped through, and it was a reasonable cause (carrying large amounts of money or valuables as part of a job).

He also said that in that particular case, there would have been a conditional license, meaning that the CCW would only be allowed as part and parcel of the job, not a blanket license to carry 24/7.
Of the 225+ CCW incidents I've linked in my sig line I can't recall a single one that was of a CCWer who was "carrying large amounts of money or valuables as part of a job," unless you count pizza delivery drivers as qualifying....

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I found his answers to be fair and reasonable, and of the three, I would pick him hands down.
Wow. If you think that is a "fair and reasonable" standard for issuing CCWs, esp now that you've read about >225 CCW real life incidents, instead of the sheriff's candidate's propaganda, I really don't know what to say.

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It's not Constitutional carry, but better than what we have now.
No county in CA can legally be "Constitutional carry" (i.e., if you can legally buy a handgun, you can legally carry it, openly or concealed, without a separate state permit). Essick could, if he wanted to, accept "self defense" as sufficient Good Cause, but according to you, he won't.

Going by the CA CCW GC map posted above, it sounds like Essick would take Sonoma from "dark red" near SF (virtual No Issue), to "dark red" near LA (extremely restrictive issue), not even making it to "light red" (given the "only on the job" carry restriction).

BOTTOM LINE: There's NO REASON to support/vote for Essick over any other candidate. Don't try to use CCWs to choose among the contenders, use other issues. Essick sounds like he wants gunnies support without giving them anything in return.
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Old 02-19-2018, 8:16 AM
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To me, it sounded like going from red to yellow.

The other two candidates would remain status quo.

I also listened to some of his other policies, what he has done as a captain in the force, and I found his answers to be thoughtful, well spoken, and inclusive.

I'm not just picking him because of CCW.
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So...we know of ONE ccw that would have been issued by Essick that has been denied. Well that's just super, and not surprising.

Doesn't sound like much will change, and that is NOT "reasonable" in any way.
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To me, it sounded like going from red to yellow.
I would agree, if the condition of carrying only while working hadn't been added.
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