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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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Assaulted Film - DVD/BluRay Update
We were hoping that some deep-pocket finance types would have shown themselves by now to help us carry this film to the finishing line, but no such luck. Therefore, the crew and I have decided to return to Kickstarter to raise the funds needed to complete the film and take it to theaters by March to be part of the “conversation” while congress debates our 2nd Amendment rights.
Yes, theaters! Using a similar distribution plan used by the recent film 2016, we’re going to self-promote and distribute the film in major US cities “art house” cinemas. With strong positive reviews, we will then secure traditional distribution. Once the theatrical release is completed, we will then distribute a TV edit to PBS/PTV affiliates for broadcast. Netflix and web streaming will follow by the end of spring. What happened to the funds from the first round? In the 90 days since receiving $64,000 from Kickstarter (yes, they take a commission!), we hit the road and conducted 50+ interviews and gathered some great footage. Our travels took us up and down California, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Florida and Louisiana. Expenses included t-shirts, hats, insurance, salaries, fuel, lawyers, hotels, airfare and food. We also covered the small loans that carried us from May to October when we were developing the concept for this film. Now we will recharge the till, set the editor and his crew to work and craft the film that is needed now more than ever. We hope that each of you will consider another donation to our film to help us communicate the importance of “we the people” and the right to “keep and bear arms”. Please donate here - http://kck.st/VZmXBM Last edited by interstellar; 07-30-2013 at 10:46 AM.. Reason: Update amount |
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I'm sure ill get slapped for this. Here goes
I donated in the first round. I understand the expense of making this. I thought "kick starter" was just that, a start. I understand movie theater ect. But I also understand that means profits. Where does that go? I'm just asking because we helped get this started. To donate more 70k seems like 100% no risk for something in this climate will pull lots of cash in the end.
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Deadon -
If any of the team wanted to make money making films, it wouldn't be a documentary about the 2nd Amendment. This is a passion project for the crew and we need to hire even more crew (editor/graphic artist) to get this film out in time, so that your first donation all have an effect on the debate in Washington. No risk?! Really. I'm now label a "gun nut" by my PBS colleagues and my chances of producing science content for the "Big Bird" went from hero (400 Years of the Telescope) to zero. Don't tell me there is no risk - I've already paid the price. Thank you for your donation to the first campaign. I hope you consider helping us complete the film. Kris Last edited by interstellar; 01-23-2013 at 9:28 PM.. |
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The timing of this is spot on and in the end if shown in theaters should net a hefty profit, that was my point. How about if calguns supports the 2nd 70k kickstarter you donate future profits to 2a groups that fight for our rights?
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Deadon, how about you give up your regular job for the next six months and work dawn till dusk on nothing but 2A advocacy? Or are you too afraid of where your next meal would come from if you did that? I hope Dead Patriot films makes a bundle off of this -- it would be a suitable reward for the risk and effort.
BTW -- Kick(butt)Starter pledge done.
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Hey anyone want to fund my business 100%? Ill put all the time in dont worry about that. I have NO problem with the first 70k like I said I donated to it! I was told 70k to get this done! Now it's doubled because of what? We were told about staff ect in the first kickstarter. We're talking DOUBLE here 70k more! Why not just ask for that from the get go?
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A few of the other KickStarters I've pledged to have launched nice little companies that have a decent chance of survival -- good on them! I don't give them any advice about what to do with the money they make out of that. That is the point of KickStarters. You are getting something back according to your pledge level, and you get to help somebody launch something meaningful. If you were expecting more out of it, then KickStarter isn't for you.
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Since then things have escalated along with the need to get this film completed and released in theaters ASAP. Kris |
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Lol WTF why would you think that? This is a open forum each person has their own thoughts. Hell I may be alone in thinking this way. I have no idea, is it wrong to voice a opinion here now?
Im happy that you decided to become a gun owner recently and then make a film about 2a. Ill say it again, I supported the first round based on what we were told. Your not asking for a little more money here. Your asking for what you first got the first round 70k. That 70k at first was going to produce this film and market it. I guess I dont understand how it takes double to now finish it when we were told 70k would do it start to finish.
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Please look back over all the threads.The budget has always been $175K - I provide the budget to member to our advisory board back in May - (see the Bullet Button threads).
As my original post states, we had hoped someone with deep pockets would make up the difference with an investment in the film, but that hasn't happened yet. So we move on with another campaign. |
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Say I have a product/service/company that I want to get going, and what I'm proposing is very desirable to you. I don't have the funds to invest in starting this company, but I say, hey, if enough people are as interested in what I have to offer as you are, then donate what you can, and I will give you some form of the finished product in return if I am successful. Not always though, usually what you get from your donation is less valuable than what you donated, but the idea is that what you otherwise wouldn't have available to you because noone is producing this product/service, is now available.
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Kris, you know I'm in. I'm short right now but will donate what I can.
Talk the talk, gotta walk the walk. Right? I wonder how many mistakenly think it was our brethren patriots who fired the first shots on Lexington Green as the British marched to confiscate arms from the citizens. Not one inch. Now, more than ever. I will stand.
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So NONE of the original kickstarter money went to developing the film? It paid for road trips and loans?
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I was actually at the original meeting in Fresno back in March of last year with CGF board members, lawyers and experts, to see what and how he was going to make this film. Kris is the real deal and everything he is doing is good. Bottom line! Kris is an expert at doing these and his intent is to get this done the right way. None of this is abnormal or shady. |
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I'm sure you know that if you had put that amount in there you probably wouldn't have reached the intial 70k we chipped in for. I am not happy about this double-dipping. And yes, I think it is double-dipping, regardless of what post you said the original budget was. I don't follow all your posts but I did click the "Back This Project" button on Kickstarter and no where there did it say this would only get you less than half of the way there. Still, best of luck. You are doing an important thing and I support the cause, I just don't like how this part played out. Hell, I'll probably kick in again, I just need to cool off a bit from this. I like up-front honesty when it comes to people asking for money. Sorry, rant over.
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In other words, he kept information under his hat in the hopes to attract a bigger fish. It was a calculated risk that I as someone who kicked in was not party to... I don't like it when things like that go down in my personal or professional life. Hence, why I'm a bit peeved. Edit to add, while I personally only chipped in $10.00. I did post videos on Youtube pointing people to the Kickstarter. I vouched for the initial Kickstarter and now, we've got another one.
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This has been mentioned before. |
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I pledged again last night.
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On October 4th, I Kicked in based on the Kickstarter found here.
I found it through the post on Calguns. After I kicked in, I was getting updates from Kris via email, through Kickstarter. Now re-read what I posted above... Quote:
It was not mentioned on the Kickstarter, the actual vehicle for providing money... Nor in the subsequent update emails from Kris. He had my money (via Kickstarter) and my word reaching out to a small community to drum up more support. THEN two months later added: Quote:
Your posts have taken me from peeved to fully pissed off. Thanks.
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Donated for the second time.... This time 100. Go get em!
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YES! but he was hoping to get bigger corporate donations. Maybe it was wishful thinking. Without reaching the kick start goal though, he had nothing to work off of. I firmly believe that getting larger corp type donations were the plan that have fallen through.
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OK I'll pony up this time, go for Blu Ray level donation with a T shirt and hat ($200)! I need my guns more than I need money at this point.
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Like I said, its a great cause. I'm just not happy that details were purposely left out to keep the money train moving.
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I am surprised as hell that corporate sponsors didnt help out at all. Can't they even give anonymous small donations? or anonymous donations from employees? I mean why wouldnt glock, remington, s&w, etc help out. I didnt donate the first round because I said to myself "Why do I need to donate to a movie, call chuck norris and he can fund the whole thing"
guess we really are on our own. hope you can get this finished, thanks for the hard work. Screw those PBS nanny stater colleagues of yours.
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