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ATI .410 gauge AR-15 upper!
saw this online at marks armory
http://marksarmory.com/52901.html it is the 410 upper that will go on top of the stadard ar-15 lower. since my lower is already cal legal with the bullet button,would this be legal??? just curious because i am considering another build and a 410 vs 308 vs. 50 beowolf is in my mind...... |
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A special stock that makes it almost impossible to hit what you're aiming at. Those who encounter them often proclaim, "This stock is fixed!" Illegal in shooting competitions.
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A fixed stock means you cannot have a collapsible or telescopic stock. An A2 or a pinned Coll/Tele would work also.
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Chris, There is a vid on youtube on these. I think Federals won't feed coz its too long, the Winchester AA fed pretty good. Look for the vid pretty good stuff.
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Fixed stock?
At the risk of hijacking the thread, if you have a fixed magazine (a magazine needing a tool to remove as per DoJ) you can have all the other "bad black rifle" features. including a collapsable or folding stock, flash hider and pistol grips.
Okay what's the attraction to a .410 AR? Just something different? Is the barrel rifled? How about those Crossbow top ends for the AR lowers? Or the 5.7 conversions that dumps the casing out the magwell? Those look cool, but here in CA. they can only have 10 rounds in them.... Now I want an AR-10! kind of like the new military SR-25 Won't need a bolt gun after that build. But I'll have to sell the Remington 700 and the Styer SSG both to afford it... |
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You are wrong. Centerfire rules are different than shotgun rules and this is a shotgun. Perhaps you should look over PC 12276.1 again. Giving that advice about a semi automatic shotgun would put someone in big trouble, no the law before you give such advice.
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Yeap ... Semiautos with a fixed magazine are different !!! Go to the shotgun flowchart ...
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It may have EITHER a telescoping/folding buttstock OR a Pistol grip.... it cannot have both. Additionally, there is no such thing as a "featureless" semi-automatic shotgun. If it is semi-auto, it MUST have a fixed magazine.
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Out of curiosity, if you mounted that upper on a reg'd AR lower, does it stopped being a reg'd rifle and become an un-reg'd AW shotgun or does the fact that it's registered at all cover it? Something like this has never even occurred to me before.
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It's still a RAW no matter what caliber it is in.
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Anyone know of a source for the 15rd mags ?
(15 round mags are CA legal per shotgun flow chart) ATI doesn't return emails or phone calls...
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If not how would you legally acquire the large capacity magazines? |
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Through Gene once he gets his ducks in a row. lol.
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Reload! .410 costs me about 1/2 of what it does to reload 12g.
Who cares? They are two different things. I like .410s and would probably buy a Saiga .410 before I bought a Saiga 12. But, I have also been intrigued with .410 uppers for years. I just haven't stepped up and bought one because, I alreay own 5 .410s. Fixed mags of any size are legal on semi auto shotguns. But, you still have to legally aquire them. If you are not exept from the 10 round mag limit (LEO, possess a high cap permit, etc.), you have not been legally able to get one since 1-1-00.
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Not sure if they will be able to be loaded that far due to the feed angle with the larger rounds - Just need a few more correct followers...
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I have one of these uppers. They are VERY sensitive to what ammo to use. You can not use just any 2.75 ammo. I have found that it uses Remington slugs the best.
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Just remember, that your prebans still have to function correctly for the firearm they were intended for, otherwise you'd be illegally manufacturing hicaps, but then again you knew that. Dan
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So my older brother must have used clips when he served in the 70s That is if a standard AR mag body will feed the .410... not sure that it will. BTW: That upper is no longer showing.
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These ATI .410 mags are so different - I don't see how anyone could mod an AR mag to work. Guess I'm gonna have to offer a finders fee to get a few more instead...
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Have you tried the Federal #4 / 0000 buckshot / Handgun ammo? ( Originally made for the "Judge"... )
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And again, if you modify your preban ar15 magazine and it doesn't function to feed the round it was intended for, then you've manufactured a hicap. Remember before all the "rebuild" kits were available and some people were attempting to use 40cal mags to get an extra 2 or 3 rounds of 9mm at the range and the warnings the community would give about that? Again, yes the laws suck, but please for the love of all things shiney that go boom, let's not advocate illegal activities. As for the upper itself (cause I hate to thread jack) I think it's a freaking neat idea, if only because it functions on the regular AR lower and the OO buck that the .410 uses is 3 pellets of buck... But as far the two styles they have, I prefer the one with the file length hand guards, it looks a bit less goofy than the "m4" carbine hand guards with the ridiculously long barrel... but then again, to each his own. Dan
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And to quote the Calguns wiki page reference "rebuilds"
"The general rules regarding magazine repair appear to be that as long as one ends up with the same number of legally possessed large-capacity magazines, has a plausible path of replacement parts from the original possessed large-capacity magazine to the repaired magazine, and the magazine continues to work in the firearm it was originally designed to operate in, one would not be violating the law. There are no restrictions on modifying a legally possessed large-capacity magazine to work in another firearm as long as the magazine continues to operate in the firearm it was originally designed for." Dan
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ive got one, actually been trying to sell it. built it and then realized how expensive ammo was, i dont reload so its just wasnt what i was looking for.
i have 2 or 3 rebuild kits, 25 all brass hulls.. yhm lower, fixed a2 stock, radlock. if you pay my asking price of 1k, ill give you the choice of the YHM lower, or ill swap it out for a calguns low, state or bear rollmark, your choice. upper, rebuilds, brass for 650 by itself.
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Hey there Danny: I didn't try any Federal as I couldn't locate any before I took it out. I do know that no Winchester ammo is recommended. I used the Remington 2.5" 1/5 oz. slugs and Nitro Sporting Clay #8 shot. What causes the problems is the total length of the shot hulls. Some are just too long to eject. Even the Nitro sporting Clays which is recomended I had some have FTE. I did make an error in my first post. I stated that is uses 2.75". ammo which should have been 2.5" ammo In this photo, I was shooting Remington Nitro Sporting Clays with #8 shot. Some of the spread was outside the target. I would say that this would be a good snake, rabbit or squirrel patterns out to just around 25 yds maybe a little more. Total round count was 10. Here is a link to some more information on the ATI 410 upper http://www.gunblast.com/ATI-T14.htm
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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=971002 Says it is a discontinued product
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blah didint realize this was a necro thread
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That's the review which convinced me to go ahead and build it...
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