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Old 11-15-2017, 6:09 AM
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I find fin grips dangerous also. I use these without any problems

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I like my monsterman for precision shooting. I use it in midrange prone matches by choice.

It's non-shooting gun handling where it suffers.
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I like my monsterman for precision shooting. I use it in midrange prone matches by choice.

It's non-shooting gun handling where it suffers.
I agree with you there. Our CRG-15 grip can be gripped either way comfortably. Similar to the MMG with your thumb to one side (good for prone or bench), or you can wrap your thumb around it to fully control the rifle. Either way works great. I prefer the swept back angle that ours allows so you can support the weight with more fingers unlike a grip fin where your fingers are in front of the grip rather than under it (like a shotgun). We are just getting this going and got our vendor account, so I hope to post some more helpful information soon.

Thanks MudCamper for this thread and for adding our grip to the mix!

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Riflegear has their own fin grips for both the AR and AK

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Kinda cool with the finger grips on the non thumb side
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Just finished a build with this and I like it as well.
+1 Sold my thordson for another because it's so comfortable. Not as comfortable as a pistol grip but 80% of the way there for me. Also looks really good, makes the AR almost look like a free-state version.
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+1 Sold my thordson for another because it's so comfortable. Not as comfortable as a pistol grip but 80% of the way there for me. Also looks really good, makes the AR almost look like a free-state version.


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Here are some photos of our F1 grips installed on rifles.
The F1-AR will work on all Mil-Spec lowers and SCAR lowers with some minor fitting on the beavertail.

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I have the @riflegear F1-AR grip as well on my Mega Arms forged receiver build and it feels pretty good especially for a right hander.
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Given the large lateral offset of the fin...pretty near to 100%, I'm guessing it feels pretty good ONLY for a right hander.
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Given the large lateral offset of the fin...pretty near to 100%, I'm guessing it feels pretty good ONLY for a right hander.
Yep, I'm lefty and no way I'd buy this at any price.

There is another fin and thumbshelf grip that I really liked then saw no lefty version.

I can't blame entrepreneurs for not wanting to add a second version to the risk they already take but it is annoying.
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Yep, I'm lefty and no way I'd buy this at any price.

There is another fin and thumbshelf grip that I really liked then saw no lefty version.

I can't blame entrepreneurs for not wanting to add a second version to the risk they already take but it is annoying.
About 90% are righty's and 10% are south paw. I do understand your frustration, but it is difficult as a manufacturer to justify multiple tens of thousands of dollars on a mold when it would take so long to get your ROI... if even possible.

I am right handed, but we still decided to go with an ambidextrous design. I might need to try that Rifle Gear one for my AK's though (looks pretty good).
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Off topic: how come leftys never got civil rights protection? Aren't we born this way???
Smearing ink on my hand when writing with a ball point pen...scissors don't work right...ear protection on the wrong side of my little league batting helmet...can't see the picture on my coffee cup when I grasp the handle with my LEFT HAND...WTF? Where's the love and consideration for us leftys???
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I just received my exile machine backfin and it's pretty rough. I tried a friend's he had on his m1a so I bought it to try it. It didn't look this rough on his.

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Smearing ink on my hand when writing with a ball point pen...scissors don't work right...ear protection on the wrong side of my little league batting helmet...can't see the picture on my coffee cup when I grasp the handle with my LEFT HAND...WTF? Where's the love and consideration for us leftys???
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Yep, I'm lefty and no way I'd buy this at any price.

There is another fin and thumbshelf grip that I really liked then saw no lefty version.

I can't blame entrepreneurs for not wanting to add a second version to the risk they already take but it is annoying.
Are you referring to the Exile backfin? They used to sell a lefty.
Just looked, they still have their lefty version on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Exile-Machine...achine+backfin

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I agree with you there. Our CRG-15 grip can be gripped either way comfortably. Similar to the MMG with your thumb to one side (good for prone or bench), or you can wrap your thumb around it to fully control the rifle. Either way works great. I prefer the swept back angle that ours allows so you can support the weight with more fingers unlike a grip fin where your fingers are in front of the grip rather than under it (like a shotgun). We are just getting this going and got our vendor account, so I hope to post some more helpful information soon.

Thanks MudCamper for this thread and for adding our grip to the mix!

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Nice grip, except your web page says eligible for free shipping, but when you try to check out, it charges you $7+ shipping... Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with the Monsterman grip. I do not need bait and switch....
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Nice grip, except your web page says eligible for free shipping, but when you try to check out, it charges you $7+ shipping... Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with the Monsterman grip. I do not need bait and switch....
To be fair, it says “Free shipping on orders over $89” right at the top of the sight. I wasn’t thrilled with the $7 shipping either, but it really looks like the least neutered of all our available options. Just hoping it’s as ergonomic as it is good looking.
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To be fair, it says “Free shipping on orders over $89” right at the top of the sight. I wasn’t thrilled with the $7 shipping either, but it really looks like the least neutered of all our available options. Just hoping it’s as ergonomic as it is good looking.

You are right, but it is still a cheesy come on.... Let us know how you like it.
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May i ask, is there a consensus as to which ar compliant grip is the easiest and most stable/comfortable to grip?
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As far as wrapping the thumb around is concerned, I've tried a bunch and I am going to say that I think its between Featureless Arms Liberal and Sparrow Dynamics CRG.

The CRG is nice if you have smaller hands or shorter vienna sausage fingers like mine.

The Liberal is nice if you have bigger hands or like a steeper angle on the front of the grip more akin to a regular pistol grip.

Both are really nice. Both have good texturing and are comfortable.
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May i ask, is there a consensus as to which ar compliant grip is the easiest and most stable/comfortable to grip?
I'll agree with the other post but this comes out in a few weeks & I'm most excited to try it.

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I'll agree with the other post but this comes out in a few weeks & I'm most excited to try it.

https://resurgentarms.com
I have a Resurgent on order as well and I am looking forward to putting it head to head against the Liberal and CRG.

The Liberal has a really gentle palm swell. The CRG is flat. The RA grip looks like the little "shelf" for your thumb also acts as a palm swell but it looks more aggressive so we'll see.
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I have a Resurgent on order as well and I am looking forward to putting it head to head against the Liberal and CRG.
Looking forward to your comparison of all 3.
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I just installed the Spaorrow Dynamics CRG grip and love it. I think it looks better than any of the others on a Carbine build (where the thumb can go over the top), and is a little more ergonomic than my current favorite, the MMG. My only suggestion is to lengthen it to the rear about 1/2 to 3/4", which would give a much better grasp for guys with big hands like me.



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I have a Resurgent on order as well and I am looking forward to putting it head to head against the Liberal and CRG.

The Liberal has a really gentle palm swell. The CRG is flat. The RA grip looks like the little "shelf" for your thumb also acts as a palm swell but it looks more aggressive so we'll see.
I'm curious to see which you like best between the FA Liberal, the SD CRG-15, and the RA. I have the Liberal and a prototype of the RA (which is very similar to the CRG) and for me the Liberal is the winner. The steeper grip angle is more natural, more like a pistol grip.

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My only suggestion is to lengthen it to the rear about 1/2 to 3/4", which would give a much better grasp for guys with big hands like me.
No! I have small hands. I find all these featureless grips to require me to stretch my hand out just a bit to much, so I'll have to disagree here.
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I'm curious to see which you like best between the FA Liberal, the SD CRG-15, and the RA. I have the Liberal and a prototype of the RA (which is very similar to the CRG) and for me the Liberal is the winner. The steeper grip angle is more natural, more like a pistol grip.



No! I have small hands. I find all these featureless grips to require me to stretch my hand out just a bit to much, so I'll have to disagree here.
Hi Mudcamper,

Thanks again for doing that review.

We shrank our grip in a number of dimensions since you reviewed that prototype, so it should now be much slimmer and nicer for people with small-to-mid size hands. Just FYI.
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Sparrow Dyanmics CRG arrived in the mail last night. Got impatient and threw it on the beater I keep at my condo.

Initial impressions are very good. It’s simply the best looking featureless grip option out there. There isn’t enough space to get my entire thumb over it with the ACE stock, but the same is true of the Hammerhead and this just looks better.

Will post up a full review when I’ve had a chance to switch it between a few rifles and take it to the range.

EDIT: Here it is on my main squeeze:


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I'm a big fan of the Option-Zero option because, for me, the Tango Down grip is hands down the best AR grip around. All of my ARs had TD grips. the O-Z is the closest I can get now without going fixed mag.
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Are you referring to the Exile backfin? They used to sell a lefty.
Just looked, they still have their lefty version on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Exile-Machine...achine+backfin
I purchased a left-handed Backfin on Amazon. The unit I received was perfectly fabricated, however, the thumb shelf is too high to enable me to thumb-flick the safety. This is a no-go for me.
I then tried / purchased a left-handed Ledgegrip. This turned out to be perfect. I can thumb-flick the safety (a 60 deg version) and it provides a fixed stock option for my Magpul collapsible stock. It is also well fabricated and looks good on the carbine. Kills to featured birds with one featureless stone.

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Quick comparison of the grip angle between the Sparrow and the Liberal. I swapped them out and will test the Sparrow at the range tomorrow.

Edit: I think I prefer the Sparrow...

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I just received my exile machine backfin and it's pretty rough. I tried a friend's he had on his m1a so I bought it to try it. It didn't look this rough on his.
Did you order directly from Exile Machine? They have reported that there are cheap imitations being sold by unscrupulous sellers:

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I purchased a left-handed Backfin on Amazon. The unit I received was perfectly fabricated, however, the thumb shelf is too high to enable me to thumb-flick the safety. This is a no-go for me.
I then tried / purchased a left-handed Ledgegrip. This turned out to be perfect. I can thumb-flick the safety (a 60 deg version) and it provides a fixed stock option for my Magpul collapsible stock. It is also well fabricated and looks good on the carbine. Kills to featured birds with one featureless stone.
Depends on your rifle and hand size I suppose. I'm happy with the lefty Backfin on my POF 308.
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I just received the Sparrow CRG-15 today and I can say that it allows for a much better grip and puts your hand in a much better firing position than my old setup (Miad + backfin). One downside I can see already though is the fact that I have fat sausage fingers and my thumb rubs against the buffer tube nut and back plate. I put electrical tape around temporarily but I will probably try to get a thin sleeve of foam or something to cover the exposed area of buffer tube and bevel the 90* angled edges of the back plate that my thumb rubs against.



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I just received the Sparrow CRG-15 today and I can say that it allows for a much better grip and puts your hand in a much better firing position than my old setup (Miad + backfin). One downside I can see already though is the fact that I have fat sausage fingers and my thumb rubs against the buffer tube nut and back plate. I put electrical tape around temporarily but I will probably try to get a thin sleeve of foam or something to cover the exposed area of buffer tube and bevel the 90* angled edges of the back plate that my thumb rubs against.
Just get a dremel or a metal file and sand down the edges of the endplate, and the rail of the buffer tube that the stock slides on. I did that and have not
had issues with getting cut or scratched.
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thanks for posting those recent photos....I was strongly considering purchasing one of their grips.

...the narrow window is disconcerting, I wish they had created a little more of an inset or scallop for the base of the thumb and contoured the heel of the grip a bit lower.
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...the narrow window is disconcerting, I wish they had created a little more of an inset or scallop for the base of the thumb and contoured the heel of the grip a bit lower.
That would trigger CA PC pistol grip definition.
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