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Arteel this is the best option I have seen for AK's, it looks good! Is there a way to put a metal insert between the nut plate and the fin and still print over it? It would stiffen it up a lot.
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Arteel this is the best option I have seen for AK's, it looks good! Is there a way to put a metal insert between the nut plate and the fin and still print over it? It would stiffen it up a lot.
If it can appear to bend out of the way for your thumb to poke through it is huge risk to take.
I considered the same idea but using a steel sheet frame that secured at a second point like the bottom of the grip too and use my plastic fin attached to that. The problem was grips vary widely by length, width, and angle. Not to mention a less invasive way of attaching to the bottom than my current method I use on my grip fins (screw the fin right on the grip)
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Bumping for some updated links in the first post.
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I hope this thread is helping people see there are many options out there to avoid the registration.
Also can anyone post links to kits for pinning the collapsing stocks? lol, never mind, its in the first post




I have a couple pics for the AR's now (muzzle device is a brake). They will fit any stock type (the collapsing stock lower still has a mag lock as the stock is not pinned yet). And I also threw in a pic of a shorty RPK that shows the fin fitting that stock type too.





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Yes, I love mine. Handles like all the millions of rifles we have had forever.
Fightlite just needs to ramp up the production (and make the bolt HO standard).
I love mine as well. I have not used a grip wrapped weapon, but the ergonomics look very suspect to me. While different, the SCR feels very familiar and handles great IMO.

If it gets more popular then maybe we'll see trigger kits for it and whatnot.

Looks like Fightlite (was Ares) is now producing them again although I have not seen lowers only for sale yet. As soon as they are I will be buying another.
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Exile Machine has been so kind as to give away their 3D model files for the BCM Mod 2 and CAA UPG 16/47 grips:



The 3D model files for Backfin for BCM Mod 2 and Backfin for CAA UPG 16/47 have been released under a Creative Commons - Attribution / Share-alike license and are FREE to download, modify, and use by anyone who wants to.

Suggested print settings and recommended materials are provided on the Thingiverse pages for each, and these are provided AS-IS, without warranty of any kind. User assumes all risk of use.

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Yaaaa.... I wouldn't want to be the test case for that one.
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Exile machine backfin with thumbrest are great to shoot. I shoot left handed so I got the left hand version installed on most of my ar15s. I wish they made backfins for the IWI tavors. Kydex wraps just don't look that great on tavors.

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The "Tubb Precision AR-15 Up-Tight Grip (Black Composite)" might comply if webbing of intended grasp is considered over possible grasp. There are additionally left- and right-handed versions.
It's cool, but clearly it "allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger" so it is a "A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."
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Aim Sports now has their M4 Stock Lock Pins available

https://aimsportsinc.com/m4-stock-lock-pin.html



And their Magpul Stock Lock Pins:

https://aimsportsinc.com/magpul-stock-lock-pin.html

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That is a NICE SETUP there Kauiboy! Looks great!

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Exile machine backfin with thumbrest are great to shoot. I shoot left handed so I got the left hand version installed on most of my ar15s. I wish they made backfins for the IWI tavors. Kydex wraps just don't look that great on tavors.
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Exile machine backfin with thumbrest are great to shoot. I shoot left handed so I got the left hand version installed on most of my ar15s. I wish they made backfins for the IWI tavors. Kydex wraps just don't look that great on tavors.
The backfin is my favorite. The thumbrest allows you to get a solid grip and a more natural holding position.
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The "Tubb Precision AR-15 Up-Tight Grip (Black Composite)" might comply if webbing of intended grasp is considered over possible grasp. There are additionally left- and right-handed versions.
http://www.davidtubb.com/ar15-tubb-p...osite-version2
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IANAL. Come to your own conclusion. Any weapon can be held like a pistol if you are creative enough. Such as holding an "evil wood rifle" by buttstock with hand upside down and firing with pinky (thumb webbing below top of trigger line). Hence intended grasp versus possible grasp. I feel this grip would allow safer operation than others as the shooter retains full control authority over the fire select lever. It appears to be designed for pure marksmanship sport. CA compliance is a potential side benefit. However new regs need to come out before we can say for sure.

I am more than a little disturbed when an American national champion's sport-oriented product may be rejected. But the spirit, letter, interpretation, and application of CA laws has always been perverse. I reserve comment.
Sure looks like a pistol grip to me. I think a jury would find that guilty.

But it does technically comply with the existing regs. (The existing regs should not change concerning the definition of a pistol grip, as that section has not changed. The DOJ tried to change it, but the CRPA was on the job)
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Sure looks like a pistol grip to me. I think a jury would find that guilty.

But it does technically comply with the existing regs. (The existing regs should not change concerning the definition of a pistol grip, as that section has not changed. The DOJ tried to change it, but the CRPA was on the job)
There is nothing to prevent the user from dropping their thumb off of the shelf and gripping as a regular pistol grip with low thumb hold.

This one is a no-go IMO.

Even though the intent may be to use the thumb rest, I think CADOJ will view it like they did the SIG Brace . . . if it can be easily utilized in a way that defeats the intent of the law, it will not be allowed.
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But it does technically comply with the existing regs.
No. It clearly does not.

Copied from my post just above:

It "allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger" so it is a "A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."

It may be intended not to, but it allows the web of the hand to grasp it below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger.

Further, it even looks to me like in the intended position, the web of your hand would still be just barely below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger.

This thing is by definition a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon", a "feature".
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Does anyone make a2 stock that fits on collapsible stock tube?
https://www.vltor.com/shop/stocks/arm-rifle-stock/

It is not an A2 stock but it does come in A2 or A1 length. It fits on both rifle or carbine tubes. I have one, nice stock.




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vltor = $110 + shipping.
Point being?
Vltor isn't cheap...

He asked for an A2 stock that goes on a carbine tube... That is one of the few fixed stocks I know that can do that. And the only stock that I know of that can fit either a rifle tube or carbine tube...

I got mine on clearance years ago for ~50.
It comes with 2 battery compartment inserts and 2 flat inserts for customization.
And 2 Double sided QD inserts and a QD swivel.
(A lot of Magpul stocks don't come with the QD inserts anymore so you would end up spending additional money to add the QD kits)
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Exile Machine is also giving away their design files for their Hammerhead and Backfin for MIAD grips:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1317851

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Great. When you have a link let us know. Yeah I'm liking the new large thumb rest idea. Seems to offer almost as good hold and control as a normal pistol grip.
I put a MMG on my AR, and immediately took off the Bullet Button. The problem with the MMG is that I don't feel as if I have as much grip on the rifle as with the pistol grip.
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Does anyone make a2 stock that fits on collapsible stock tube?
You can get a buffer tube spacer. http://www.spikestactical.com/lower-...cer-p-709.html Change your carbine buffer tube out for a rifle length buffer tube, then just put the spacer inside. This way you can keep running your carbine or mid-length upper with a rifle length tube since you'll keep using the same buffer & spring. This will allow you to use an A2 stock on any AR you want.
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You can get a buffer tube spacer. http://www.spikestactical.com/lower-...cer-p-709.html Change your carbine buffer tube out for a rifle length buffer tube, then just put the spacer inside. This way you can keep running your carbine or mid-length upper with a rifle length tube since you'll keep using the same buffer & spring. This will allow you to use an A2 stock on any AR you want.
Pretty sure the A2 doesn't have a notch in the bottom for the channel that indexes the collapsible stock.
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Pretty sure the A2 doesn't have a notch in the bottom for the channel that indexes the collapsible stock.
Maybe I didn't word it clearly? He would be putting an A2 stock on a rifle length buffer tube, the 2 were made for each other.
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Maybe I didn't word it clearly? He would be putting an A2 stock on a rifle length buffer tube, the 2 were made for each other.
Nope...
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Nope...

I simply told user jkonquer that he has the option to take off his carbine length buffer tube and put a rifle length buffer tube on and use a spacer inside. Since he wants to use an A2 stock, this allows him to do so. Is it that hard to understand or are you messing with me? At any rate I said what I needed to say and wont go further into this.
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This is an awesome option, that has been extremely popular since announced. Can easily be removed when in a free state

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Option...ck-p/ssioz.htm

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No. It clearly does not.

Copied from my post just above:

It "allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger" so it is a "A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."

It may be intended not to, but it allows the web of the hand to grasp it below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger.

Further, it even looks to me like in the intended position, the web of your hand would still be just barely below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger.

This thing is by definition a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon", a "feature".
You're only reading part or the requirements. It's not just whether a pistol style grasp is possible. It matters whether or not you can have that pistol style grasp and fire the gun. It might be that a slight modification needs to be made to this design in order to make sure you can't grasp it while firing, but I think it's still a good design that can be worked with. Maybe just a slightly larger edge for the thumb rest and a thicker base right under the thumb edge so you can't grasp it while firing.
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Munkeeboi makes great gripwraps. I have seen his work.
Yup! Gotta say I like them and prefer a gripwrap and a regular magazine drop over a bullet button. I've already gotten used to shooting with a grip wrap ( thanks munkeeboi )it doesn't even bother me. Rather not have one but as a Californian have adapted and am carrying on
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Exile Machine is also giving away their design files for their Hammerhead and Backfin for MIAD grips:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1317851

Pretty cool.
Super cool. 3D printer and you are GTG.
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I simply told user jkonquer that he has the option to take off his carbine length buffer tube and put a rifle length buffer tube on and use a spacer inside. Since he wants to use an A2 stock, this allows him to do so. Is it that hard to understand or are you messing with me? At any rate I said what I needed to say and wont go further into this.
He was asking if any A2 would fit on his collapsible tube.
He wasn't asking about replacing the tube.

Of course he can replace the tube and stock... that's a no-brainer.

I understand what you are saying... I don't think you understood what was being asked (which I quoted)
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I keep seeing this advertised, as I search options. I only bring this up because I wasn't able to search any threads for comments.

Seems iffy to me,


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I keep seeing this advertised, as I search options. I only bring this up because I wasn't able to search any threads for comments.

Seems iffy to me,


http://www.armslist.com/posts/606481...compliant-grip


Under California law that is clearly a pistol grip and a feature under the AW laws. No question at all.
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Under California law that is clearly a pistol grip and a feature under the AW laws. No question at all.
That's my take on it too.
Unfortunately, there are a number of manufacturers and vendors who offer up things like this, as they have nothing to lose.

If you meet them at a gun show, make them demo the item on an actual completed build without any kind of mag lock.

I'm still not sold on the ARMaglock. He posts a video showing how to remove the thing to free a mag in the event of a double-feed and justifies it by saying that he is disassembling it for a repair procedure... despite the fact that the withdrawn DOJ regs state clearly that a receiver without a magazine release installed "does not have a fixed magazine" therefore would be an AW if featured.
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i'm using a Hammerhead grip,pinned MOE stock, EGW thread protector and a standard mag release.....it's not an AOW according to CA law, no need to register it....it's just a centerfire semi automatic rifle
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