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Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles.

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FAL - the right arm of the free world 48 36.92%
M1A - the right arm of the anachronist 51 39.23%
DI LR308 - because I am new and I like legos 21 16.15%
Piston AR308 - because I am fancy and I like to hit real small stuff. 10 7.69%
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Default .308 carbines, whatís your flavor? (Now with actual poll!)

No, I donít have a SCAR, nor an AK in .308

I am getting resdy to move to ID and just sent some rifles and gear ahead to my parentís in WY.
As I was loading I tought I would take a pic of my carbines in .308 and post up for a little pron to gnaw on, and for a little discussion.

So,

Were it you, which of these would you grab? And why?

1. M1A Socom II in GI Birch stock and Irons, with turnerís poly 1907 sling and 20rd steel mag 12.0lb

2. FAL Para (featureless) w/T1 RDS (1x), sling, and 20rd steel mag - 11.4lb

3. Piston AR308 (Ruger SR762) (Featureless) w/TA11 (3.5x), sling, and 10rd mag 11.4lb

4. DI LR308 (AeroM5 homebuild) (neutered) w/SWFA HD (1-4x), sling, and 10rd mag. - 11.2lb.


All work perfectly. No hiccups, though building the LR had more hiccups than the FAL did.
The Ruger and M1A are factory builds.


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And donít forget to vote!

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I didn't answer your poll because I don't have an actual .308 carbine. The closest I come to a carbine length is a PTR91 with an 18" barrel. Both my M1A and my FAL are full length battle rifles and quite frankly I prefer the longer barrels when shooting .308. I did have a M1A scout for a while, but I found that I liked the balance and handling of the longer barrel over the shorter one.

If you look at the picture below, note how the 18" barreled PTR is really not all that much shorter than the longer barreled M1A or the FAL and while a 16" barrel will be noticeably shorter, I think you lose too much velocity with barrels shorter than 18" to make them attractive to me.



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I vote FAL---I've owned or shot most of the rifles available over the last 30 years or so---I prefer the full-size FAL, but like the Para models as well...
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I didn't answer your poll because I don't have an actual .308 carbine. The closest I come to a carbine length is a PTR91 with an 18" barrel. Both my M1A and my FAL are full length battle rifles and quite frankly I prefer the longer barrels when shooting .308. I did have a M1A scout for a while, but I found that I liked the balance and handling of the longer barrel over the shorter one.

If you look at the picture below, note how the 18" barreled PTR is really not all that much shorter than the longer barreled M1A or the FAL and while a 16" barrel will be noticeably shorter, I think you lose too much velocity with barrels shorter than 18" to make them attractive to me.


We all have our preference.

The wood on both the FAL and the HK91 look great!
I have this vltor rail on now and had a prs2 stock on my rifle length FAL but hated it (heavy as hell and poorly crafted) I will likely put the alum wrinkle hand guards and bipod and go back to irons soon - just not prepared to separate myself from my ACOG. - so it stays like this with my mini chin-weld (better than that ugly pig PRS ...
Actually, you lose about 25’/sec which isn’t all that much to give back for weight savings, ease of handling, and less barrel whip.
Yes, you lose velocity. Always a trade off.

My other end of th spectrum (in semi-autos)

TM10 w/ 24” 1:10” twist hunter barrel - target crown

FAL STG58 (Steyr/LMT) 21” barrel

20” 5.56 w/1:8” 5R rifling



But this thread is about .308 carbines ...
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1) You need a SCAR
2) An FAL is like the SCAR's granddaddy
3) FAL > the others
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No, I donít have a SCAR, nor an AK in .308

I am getting resdy to move to ID and just sent some rifles and gear ahead to my parentís in WY.
As I was loading I tought I would take a pic of my carbines in .308 and post up for a little pron to gnaw on, and for a little discussion.

So,

Were it you, which of these would you grab? And why?

1. M1A Socom II in GI Birch stock and Irons, with turnerís poly 1907 sling and 20rd steel mag 12.0lb

2. FAL Para (featureless) w/T1 RDS (1x), sling, and 20rd steel mag - 11.4lb

3. Piston AR308 (Ruger SR762) (Featureless) w/TA11 (3.5x), sling, and 10rd mag 11.4lb

4. DI LR308 (AeroM5 homebuild) (neutered) w/SWFA HD (1-4x), sling, and 10rd mag. - 11.2lb.


All work perfectly. No hiccups, though building the LR had more hiccups than the FAL did.
The Ruger and M1A are factory builds.


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And donít forget to vote!

If I had to pick one from the picture. I'd pick the top one, but would probably change the hand guard.
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1) You need a SCAR
2) An FAL is like the SCAR's granddaddy
3) FAL > the others
To be honest with you, I really donít need another 16Ē .308 lol.

Actually going to be selling the DI gun and the M1A to help fund a little hunting trip across the pond.

I have been curious about the SCAR, but this FAL weighs the same, and I like the pure ďsteel is realĒ feel the FAL offers and that the SCAR just doesnít have.

If they were at all priced where the rest of the 308 battle rifle realm was - I would already have one.
But for $4-5k?

LOL, pull the other one ...
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To be honest with you, I really donít need another 16Ē .308 lol.

If they were at all priced where the rest of the 308 battle rifle realm was - I would already have one.
Hah, I feel the same way about 308s... almost. I'd like to trade my 21'' FAL for a 16''. I actually hated the SCARs till I ended up with one. It is an amazing rifle. They are stupidly overpriced, but if you look deals can be had. I happened to get lucky on the price - twice.
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Hah, I feel the same way about 308s... almost. I'd like to trade my 21'' FAL for a 16''. I actually hated the SCARs till I ended up with one. It is an amazing rifle. They are stupidly overpriced, but if you look deals can be had. I happened to get lucky on the price - twice.
If I could find a $2500 one, I may be in, but ofherwise, there isnít a thing any of the ones above donít do well enough from a practical sense.

The tall numbers on SCARs and all the plastic - not to mention FNs penchant to play Salvador Dali with firearm design since the polymer era has me kind of down on them - comparatively.

That said, I wonít argue that the SCAR is the level standard these days

They seem to be the very best battle carbine out - but in a practical sense, the feet underneath and the space between the ears will never know the difference if it is go time.

Frankly, I like my 24Ē AR and my little Para FAL the best, but the M1A gets the love. Oiled, sanded, and just a good friend.
I have a Devine as well, and shoot it from time to time when back home. But truth be told, it is parked in a safe as I am not made of money lol. It is my own personal facsimilie of a H&H double rifle haha!

PS the FAL isnít the SCARs granddaddy,

The FAL is the SCARs Daddy !!!

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I'd probably go with the lmt mws. The top two are cool. The fal is pretty cool to. The rail top covers don't look that cool with out the rail handguard.
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FAL for me any day, ...


Although(^^+1 to highpower) you really ought to have a hk91 or a G3 on the list...
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Given the 10 round magazine limit in the PRKaliforniastan, I believe the item below is in the running. Two rounds less than the Kali neutered magazine in the M1A, but you don't have to manually remove a spent mag to reload, the rifle automatically ejects an empty clip. Gotta love that ping!

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FAL for me any day, ...


Although(^^+1 to highpower) you really ought to have a hk91 or a G3 on the list...
I have a 51 but it doesn’t have a 16” barrel.

An AK of sorts would be cool, but lroperly in x54 - and that is such a sloppy cartridge over a sloppy rifle. I love AKs, don’t get me wrong, but precision long distance throwers of lead they aren’t.
I barely put up with the FALs “general area” idea of precision as well, but hey. These aren‘t laper punchers, right ???

Though I have had good fun chasing steel at 600 with mosins and irons haha!
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Given the 10 round magazine limit in the PRKaliforniastan, I believe the item below is in the running. Two rounds less than the Kali neutered magazine in the M1A, but you don't have to manually remove a spent mag to reload, the rifle automatically ejects an empty clip. Gotta love that ping!

Yep, I only have 1 Garand (HRA - CMP Service grade 1m 2t) but

Pew
Pew
Pew
Pew
Pew
Pew
Pew
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Ping!

Nothing better. Though it is a bit of a tell.
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I didn't answer your poll because I don't have an actual .308 carbine. The closest I come to a carbine length is a PTR91 with an 18" barrel. Both my M1A and my FAL are full length battle rifles and quite frankly I prefer the longer barrels when shooting .308. I did have a M1A scout for a while, but I found that I liked the balance and handling of the longer barrel over the shorter one.

If you look at the picture below, note how the 18" barreled PTR is really not all that much shorter than the longer barreled M1A or the FAL and while a 16" barrel will be noticeably shorter, I think you lose too much velocity with barrels shorter than 18" to make them attractive to me.
I think manufacturers and their customers thought you might lose too much from a full power cartridge with a shorter barrel. I've built 3-4 16" FAL "carbines", including one for me...noisey and I don't see any advantage for my going shorter.

PARA's could be ordered with either a 21" rifle length barrel, or an 18-3/8" barrel. With the stock folded the rifle is 28-3/8" overall...to me that's definitely short for a .308/


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Poll fail! Should be a bacon option and the ability to select multiple from the list.

As for me: FAL, Aero M5, SA Socom 16, Cetme clone, BM-59 clone.
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Feels weird, but I don't find semi auto .308's to be particularly utilitarian. So I'm left with intangibles like how much fun they are to shoot, looks, etc.

That said M1A all the way.
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You forgot the .308 Commie Cutter, the AK or AR-47. I love that round. I love the price even more.
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Tough choice between M1A and FAL, but I suppose the mag release and scope mounting options give the M1A the advantage. My buddy does have a Scar17, it is superior to all IMHO
Really? As an owner of all 3 mentioned I consider the M1A the biggest pain in the *** to put a scope on. Your options are scout scope, lose your rear sight or put it up too high over the bore. I suppose I am just a traditionalist when it comes to the M1A, because I believe they also need walnut.

I must say I am always shocked when M1A's win gun polls. It seems to only happen on CGN because we are barely in the 21st century with respect to guns because of our laws. I just don't see one thing the M1A does better.
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I'll take our Oberndorf 91-A3, or the SA M1A Scout Squad.
Our other favorite, the SIG PE-57, only comes out for the annual foreign weapons range day.
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I must say I am always shocked when M1A's win gun polls. It seems to only happen on CGN because we are barely in the 21st century with respect to guns because of our laws. I just don't see one thing the M1A does better.
Pretty much.. It's because we're in California. No BB or dumb grips to worry about with the M1A.

I have a couple M1As, 18" CMMG 308 AR, Garand, SKS, Mini-14, etc..
If something big jumps off right now, I'm grabbing this guy.
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Spanish FR8 mauser .308
I'm confused just a bit...op asked about semi and / or gas operated guns...
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DI 308 AR would be my pick. Easy to mount optics on, best selection of aftermarket parts and triggers. Pmags are a big plus too.

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My safe has a lot of love for 308 rifles..

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Nothing with those silly fins on them. M1A with the standard length barrel. I've owned the HK91, M1A (4), FAL (3) and the standard length M1A is the best. No need to shorten the barrel on any of the above.
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Really? As an owner of all 3 mentioned I consider the M1A the biggest pain in the *** to put a scope on. Your options are scout scope, lose your rear sight or put it up too high over the bore.
Correct, I decided to retain the rear sight and mount the scope over the line of sight. It's not a good cheek weld, but it's a better option than the FAL, were you only have 1 real option. Which I don't like, so my FAL is irons only.

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I suppose I am just a traditionalist when it comes to the M1A, because I believe they also need walnut.
Yes, you are a total traditionalist. I was all about getting the weight down, removing everything possible so that it wouldn't get too heavy with a scope on. That meant removing the scout rail, and going to an all plastic upper handguard, and keeping the M1A stock. Different strokes for different folks
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Can't lie... I fell in love with the classics.

First the FAL after watching Heat. Then the PTR91 after watching Commando.
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No options for Vepr 308, or more than one option?

Btw, I have a Vepr and Piston lr308 both carbines
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No options for Vepr 308, or more than one option?

Btw, I have a Vepr and Piston lr308 both carbines
How do you like your VEPR compared with your Ar?
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