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Old 04-27-2018, 11:37 AM
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our retirement for new employees is not the best for new employees. it is variable and it goes up in percentage after working 25. on average it is 1.5% per year at 52. after 25 the percentages go up considerably. we do not have safety retirement.

I agree that 2 years is ling. some people process in 6 months and others take years based on their history and situation.

armed officers are up to about 90. we also instituted an armed on request policy for all field DPO. They are ramping up the training and operational policies in regards to those that request to be armed. The trainij g may begin in the new fiscal year.

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Old 04-27-2018, 2:03 PM
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is it Plan G general member.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:57 AM
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yes. new members only have the option of plan G. it is designed to get people to stay longer. you will get pretty close to the older plan D at the end if you stay in to your 60s. if you leave early, the percentage is small.

It is still a guaranteed county retirement and they offer an additional 457 plan the the county will match up to 4 percent of your salary into. if you are smart and contribute early and increase 1 percent with each pay raise, by the end, you will have over a million in that account which helps to offset the low percentage in plan G if you leave early.
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:17 AM
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Just thought I would pass this interesting news report about our department. We have started a K-9 detection unit. Looking for drugs and guns in our probation sweeps. the department continues to grow in a positive way. enjoy and stay safe out there.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...very&utm_term=
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Hello, is anybody in the process for CSW TRAINEE with DCFS?
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This is probation yo. Not DCFS.


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Old 05-02-2018, 5:07 PM
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What are the Pros of being a probation officers vs police?
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Old 05-03-2018, 8:22 AM
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That's a question I pondered when I first applied to agencies many years ago. I applied to LAPD and LA county probation.

while going through the process I thought of many different things and decided that I wanted to do something specific in the LEO world. one of the great things that probation does is that of running juvenile halls and juvenile probation camps. you have kids that are starting on the path of destruction and there I am, being that voice and mentor to that directionless kid. that opportunity to change the path of that lost kid is why I came to and stayed at probation. you can actually see the work you do have an impact on some of the kids you work with. Now, the difficulty is that the job is very challenging. you have kids that have lived 16 years in gangs, drugs and violence. that is all they know. you have to have loads of patience with these kids. if you don't truly have the heart for working with these kids, then probation is not for you.

I withdrew my process with LAPD because I felt that chasing bad guys and locking them up was just the starting point in reducing crime. I appreciate everything my brothers in blue and tan an green do putting their lives on the line every single day. For me, I thought I would have more impact doing what I do.

now the downside of probation verses regular LEO. My department does not have safety retirement and our pay is below what most agencies pay.

It is worth it to me and 19 years later, I still love being able to work with that kid that believes that he is worthless and will be dead by 19. getting them to see that they have value and can achieve great things makes me smile every day. I will never be rich in stuff, but my heart is rich from the impact we all have on our communities.
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Iím in the process with both Orange County and LA County for juvenile DSO position. Ultimately I want to be a field PO. Iíve heard that OC barely has any promotion opportunities. How is it for LA County probation?
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Old 05-03-2018, 6:23 PM
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we have the opportunity as we have over 5000 peace officer positions. the problem is the promotional process is dependant on new hires coming in to allow the current officers to promote. we are hiring only enough to keep up with attrition through retirements, resignations and terminations. you will be promoted, but it may take a while. some folks have made it to the field in 2 years and others took 7 or 8 years. it is the luck of the draw sometimes.
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What are the Pros of being a probation officers vs police?
Greetings,

Caveat: I work in a small(ish) department with two locations for both Institutions and Field. The West Slope has 4-5x more officers than the one I work in. In Lake Tahoe, we have about 15 sworn staff (including Supervisors and our Deputy Chief) + 2 administrative staff. I have been with the Department for a little over 5 years. Previously I worked as a Sheriff's Technician (Record's Clerk) and made a run at being a Sheriff's Deputy/Jail Division.

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1) Institutions, with it's shift work, is a great way to work and get an education at the same time. At my department there were abundant OT opportunities for those of you that like that sorta thing. Also it's sorta fun having strange days off.

2) Field officers can have the shift work thing happening (if your department does task forces, etc.), but in general have "banker's hours" where you work 5 days/40 hours or 4/10s or even what I have which is a "9/80" with 9 hour days with alternating Mondays off: I work Tue-Fri 9 hours/day, and then the next week I work an 8 on my Monday and the Tue-Fri 9 hour shifts. After 4 years in the Institutions, I appreciate having weekends and holidays off. Heck we even get snow days, which is great when I have 3-4 feet of snow piled up in my driveway!

3) I enjoy the Dual Role of being Law Enforcement (enforcing the Court's Orders) and Social Worker (getting people back on track, affecting change). I made a run at being a Sheriff, but felt I was just grinding people through the justice system and not making a difference in their lives. I know that I won't change every client I encounter, but I feel I make more of a difference in probation.

4) There is the opportunity to become very specialized in Field, but since I am in a small department I am more of a "jack of all trades", which keeps me interested in the job. I pretty much learn something new every day.

Good luck to those of you in the process, don't give up,

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Greetings,

Caveat: I work in a small(ish) department with two locations for both Institutions and Field. The West Slope has 4-5x more officers than the one I work in. In Lake Tahoe, we have about 15 sworn staff (including Supervisors and our Deputy Chief) + 2 administrative staff. I have been with the Department for a little over 5 years. Previously I worked as a Sheriff's Technician (Record's Clerk) and made a run at being a Sheriff's Deputy/Jail Division.

To add on to CaptMike's response:

1) Institutions, with it's shift work, is a great way to work and get an education at the same time. At my department there were abundant OT opportunities for those of you that like that sorta thing. Also it's sorta fun having strange days off.

2) Field officers can have the shift work thing happening (if your department does task forces, etc.), but in general have "banker's hours" where you work 5 days/40 hours or 4/10s or even what I have which is a "9/80" with 9 hour days with alternating Mondays off: I work Tue-Fri 9 hours/day, and then the next week I work an 8 on my Monday and the Tue-Fri 9 hour shifts. After 4 years in the Institutions, I appreciate having weekends and holidays off. Heck we even get snow days, which is great when I have 3-4 feet of snow piled up in my driveway!

3) I enjoy the Dual Role of being Law Enforcement (enforcing the Court's Orders) and Social Worker (getting people back on track, affecting change). I made a run at being a Sheriff, but felt I was just grinding people through the justice system and not making a difference in their lives. I know that I won't change every client I encounter, but I feel I make more of a difference in probation.

4) There is the opportunity to become very specialized in Field, but since I am in a small department I am more of a "jack of all trades", which keeps me interested in the job. I pretty much learn something new every day.

Good luck to those of you in the process, don't give up,

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Old 05-07-2018, 8:06 AM
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Some Probation department's are very small. I was at a training conference up north where the Chief Probation officer was able to send 66 percent of the department to the conference.

He and 1 of his deputies were at the conference and he left the one other deputy back to run the department. Sierra County Probation is only 3. The Chief and two deputies. He is probably the only Chief Probation Officer in the state that carries a caseload. lol.
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Some Probation department's are very small. I was at a training conference up north where the Chief Probation officer was able to send 66 percent of the department to the conference.

He and 1 of his deputies were at the conference and he left the one other deputy back to run the department. Sierra County Probation is only 3. The Chief and two deputies. He is probably the only Chief Probation Officer in the state that carries a caseload. lol.
I think Inyo has 4, including the chief.

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Some Probation department's are very small. I was at a training conference up north where the Chief Probation officer was able to send 66 percent of the department to the conference.

He and 1 of his deputies were at the conference and he left the one other deputy back to run the department. Sierra County Probation is only 3. The Chief and two deputies. He is probably the only Chief Probation Officer in the state that carries a caseload. lol.
Alpine county, which is next door to El Dorado, is in the nano category!

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Old 05-10-2018, 7:40 AM
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yes. they are already promoting dpo I, but at a slow pace. once they close the camps that they are planning to close, they will have a better idea of how many openings there will be. after the new fiscal, we should see some more movement.
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yes. they are already promoting dpo I, but at a slow pace. once they close the camps that they are planning to close, they will have a better idea of how many openings there will be. after the new fiscal, we should see some more movement.
What strategies are in place to retain DSOs? DSOs are leaving the department at an alarming rate. Many giving up their peace officer status on top of taking a salary reduction.

Also, I understand Camps are scheduled to close, which will allow DPO1s to fill much needed positions in the field. If spots remain vacant after camp closures will the DPO1 Field title make a posible return?
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Old 05-10-2018, 3:59 PM
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What strategies are in place to retain DSOs? DSOs are leaving the department at an alarming rate. Many giving up their peace officer status on top of taking a salary reduction.

Also, I understand Camps are scheduled to close, which will allow DPO1s to fill much needed positions in the field. If spots remain vacant after camp closures will the DPO1 Field title make a posible return?
Its a problem we are having as well. The C.O. position is experiencing a lot of turnover. From what I've seen, non competitive pay is the main thing. Also, lots of new rules regarding juveniles passed by the state that are making the job more difficult. Most are leaving us for P.D.'s and sheriff departments. If you can pass our background then you will most likely pass theirs. Not trying to be discouraging just being honest.
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Old 05-10-2018, 7:24 PM
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At this point the DPO I field position will not reopen. Some discussion has been had that some of the DPO I items may be transferred to the Halls when the camps close. this will allow those in camps currently, to promote out to the field and those DSO at the Halls can promote in to these DPO I items at the Halls. once a Hall DPO I completes the two years, they would be able to promote out to the field as a 2. interesting things coming.

I agree with watchur6 about those leaving. this career is not for everyone and when the reality of working with these really damaged kids comes to fruition, there are those that will not sacrifice themselves for the mission.
other staff are leaving and going to better paying agencies with better retirements.

I just had a friend with 13 years on leave to CHP. he now has full safety retirement, better pay, better hours and a full month paid vacation his first year in. we don't come close to what he is getting with CHP his first year in.

You have to be a PO because you want to help people. This cannot be about a paycheck. it's about working hard to change lives for the better.
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I wish your agency the best. Unfortunately, the low pay and benefits will keep you from hiring the best and brightest. Police agencies are having trouble recruiting despite having much better pay and benefits.
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I agree. We are going in to contract negotiations and they should hopefully have new contract by July 1.
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Its a problem we are having as well. The C.O. position is experiencing a lot of turnover. From what I've seen, non competitive pay is the main thing. Also, lots of new rules regarding juveniles passed by the state that are making the job more difficult. Most are leaving us for P.D.'s and sheriff departments. If you can pass our background then you will most likely pass theirs. Not trying to be discouraging just being honest.
lots of new rules regarding juveniles passed by the state that are making the job more difficult.

Could you please be more specific on the new rules?

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The biggest one that is probably the most challenging, is the loss of room confinement, that must be enforced starting this year. Also, in general, juveniles have a different set of rules and laws compared to adults. So it is always changing, some things get better and some get worse.

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That's interesting.

Perhaps confinement for an extended period of time is viewed punitive. I do think transferring the initiator to another unit would be a proactive approach.

If keeping them in the same unit is mandatory, then I can clearly see why DSO's are leaving. If transferring one out to another unit is an option, then it's not the end of the world.

Thank you for your answer Watchur6.
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When you go to medical and psych, do they ask for my regular doc contact so tha they can request info from my regular doctor or do they just do their own medical and psych eval without requesting any outside info? And what exactly does medical and psych consist of? I'm scheduled and dont know what to expect.
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I just had my medical & psych about three weeks ago and you do not anything from your primary doctor. Medical exam is literally just like any physical exam youíd have at a regular doctors office. Psych evaluation consists of a lot of tests and interview, itís a very lengthy evaluation. So prepare to spend atleast half of your day there.
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I just had my medical & psych about three weeks ago and you do not anything from your primary doctor. Medical exam is literally just like any physical exam youíd have at a regular doctors office. Psych evaluation consists of a lot of tests and interview, itís a very lengthy evaluation. So prepare to spend atleast half of your day there.
Oh okay. I thought they request all this paperwork and stuff. Thnx.
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I received my medical cleared letter on May 7th. I read previously you said that next academy is 11 weeks from April 27th. Do you have an idea when I will be notified to report to the next academy.

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once you finish ALL sections, including completing the polygraph and full background, your BI turns in the packet to HR quality control. they may take a month to review packet and make a final decision. if there were any anomalies, then that can take longer to get more info from you, medical or who ever the anomaly is best suited to clear. once all is clear, they will usually call about a month before the next academy. if you have not received a call two weeks before the next academy, then they will most likely call you before the following academy. good luck.
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I spoke to H.R today. I will be in the next academy class. Looking forward to it.
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Congratulations. now start working out if not already. PM me if you would like a tour of a juvenile hall before you start. good luck.
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Capt. Mike, is there a way or somebody to speak to to know why I got DQ?
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the department does not have to disclose due to existing law. You can attempt to call HR but they do not have to tell you why.
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Captmike, hello do you know when is the next academy for GSN?
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I cleared backgrounds for Reserve DPO back in...ummm...January? Still waiting for an academy date...I didn't hold out much more hope for DPO...I really would have enjoyed working at a camp.

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I heard that LA county probation officers are not armed - is this true?
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