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Anyone have troubles with there website-like not going thru all the steps to order? i cant get past the shipping option page
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Papers? I don't need no stinkin papers!

Excellent quality from TM, looks identical to my serialed lowers they just replaced!
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Excellent quality from TM, looks identical to my serialed lowers they just replaced!
Which 80% jigg did you use??
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Something is wrong with the Tactical Machining website for placing orders. It hangs up at the shipping method option. The website was down this morning for maintenance at about 7:00 AM PST. They must have fixed something and broken something else. I sent them an e mail earlier in the day to let them know about the problem.
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Something is wrong with the Tactical Machining website for placing orders. It hangs up at the shipping method option. The website was down this morning for maintenance at about 7:00 AM PST. They must have fixed something and broken something else. I sent them an e mail earlier in the day to let them know about the problem.
Give it another try around 2:00-3:00 PM PST. Thats when they reload the inventory. Good Luck!
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Just for kicks, I added 3 items then entered the shipping information. Clicked update total and proceed to checkout. I did everything except complete the order.

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Would anyone reply as to what one would need to get an 80% done and how much would it cost.
Just the finished lower, no LPK or other stuff.
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80 %Lower $
Engraving $ (simple and a US flag)
Finish $
Other $
Total $

I suppose the advantage is no FFL, gun card, no registration, ect.
(in short ...freedom)

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Laminate router $80 and up.
80% jig (will vary) modulus arms and 80 Percent Easy jig will be $149. There's a group buy at the moment for the Easy Jig.
Drill bit and end mill $35
Vise $20+
Drill press or hand drill $100+/$45+

Engraving will be tricky. If it's drilled in any capacity, you cannot just drop it off. Some may do the engraving as you wait. Some charge $70+

Anodizing, $65+

Personally, I didn't go this route to save money. I did it because I wanted to do it. It's a great feeling to finish it and have a show piece when you go to the range. Plus, as you said, no registration. I hope this helps.

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Old 04-16-2015, 4:40 AM
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Would anyone reply as to what one would need to get an 80% done and how much would it cost.
Just the finished lower, no LPK or other stuff.
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80 %Lower $
Engraving $ (simple and a US flag)
Finish $
Other $
Total $

I suppose the advantage is no FFL, gun card, no registration, ect.
(in short ...freedom)

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Check out my thread, I'll engrave your 80% for only $40. Free Local or you can ship & return it at your cost.
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Would anyone reply as to what one would need to get an 80% done and how much would it cost.
Just the finished lower, no LPK or other stuff.
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80 %Lower $
Engraving $ (simple and a US flag)
Finish $
Other $
Total $

I suppose the advantage is no FFL, gun card, no registration, ect.
(in short ...freedom)

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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=271990

If you're into DIY projects, try etching your lowers yourself. You can follow Vader Spade's 80% thread starting on post 13 on acid etching instructions.
I etched this myself:
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:19 AM
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I talked with them today and they will fix things over the phone quickly. I forgot that instead of e-mails talking with a human being is a much better approach. They are very nice folks and they are very interested in making sure you get what you want.

I have already finished and tested a couple of their 80% lowers and cannot find a better deal than what they offer.
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Old 04-17-2015, 2:22 PM
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Hi I am new to 80% building.
I have been searching reading and trying to educate myself as best as possible on the legality of owning and using an AR built from an 80%.
As I know these subjects have been beat to death a millions times...
I am wondering if anyone has some good links or advice they could share on the following:
1) Getting pulled over in california (traffic stop) with a completed 80% AR. I don't want to get a felony on the way to a gun range.
2) If there is an intruder in my home and I use a completed 80% AR in self defense. What would be the scope of the risks I am taking.
Thank you.
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Old 04-17-2015, 6:23 PM
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What is the difference in the Gen 1 and Gen 2? Also where are people going to buy used jigs? Aren't most people using a jig once or twice, seems ironic to spend 300% more than the receiver on a jig, no. I am newb of course just trying to do my duty as an American by making my own rifle.
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If you're into DIY projects, try etching your lowers yourself. You can follow Vader Spade's 80% thread starting on post 13 on acid etching instructions.
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What is the difference in the Gen 1 and Gen 2? Also where are people going to buy used jigs? Aren't most people using a jig once or twice, seems ironic to spend 300% more than the receiver on a jig, no. I am newb of course just trying to do my duty as an American by making my own rifle.
I believe the difference is that the rear shelf is machined out on the gen 2.

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What is the difference in the Gen 1 and Gen 2? Also where are people going to buy used jigs? Aren't most people using a jig once or twice, seems ironic to spend 300% more than the receiver on a jig, no. I am newb of course just trying to do my duty as an American by making my own rifle.
Gen 1 is solid throughout the fire control pocket to the rear shelf. Gen 2 has the rear shelf pocket milled.
Check the marketplace for any used jigs. I have a modulus arms that I'm thinking about selling. I just bought an 80 Percent Arms Easy Jig. I just gotta make time to do another lower.
This hobby isn't about saving money. It's a DIY project and the satisfaction you get after completing one. In addition, it's legal.

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What is the difference in the Gen 1 and Gen 2? Also where are people going to buy used jigs? Aren't most people using a jig once or twice, seems ironic to spend 300% more than the receiver on a jig, no. I am newb of course just trying to do my duty as an American by making my own rifle.
By the time you dros a stripped lower its 150.00. Your right about the total cost tho, when you consider the router, drill press, jig, bits, 80% lowers, your in it for 500.00 or more.

IMO, its worth it because your still legal and your off the books, and like spyde12 said "This hobby isn't about saving money. It's a DIY project and the satisfaction you get after completing one. In addition, it's legal"
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Diy usually is more expensive, especially getting started. It's more fun though
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Papers? I don't need no stinkin papers!

Excellent quality from TM, looks identical to my serialed lowers they just replaced!
Now that's Pure Sex! right there. Good job bruh

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Here's one I completed a while back using TM gen 1:




Gen 2 will just make it faster to finish the rear shelf since there isn't much left to do. I'm a computer guy by trade and never really worked with power tools. I encourage everyone to read the gunsmith section and do it.

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These are back in stock at the same price. It seems they have also fixed the ordering issues, as I just ordered 3. Came out to under $100 when choosing Fed-Ex as the shipper...
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Hi I am new to 80% building.
I have been searching reading and trying to educate myself as best as possible on the legality of owning and using an AR built from an 80%.
As I know these subjects have been beat to death a millions times...
I am wondering if anyone has some good links or advice they could share on the following:
1) Getting pulled over in california (traffic stop) with a completed 80% AR. I don't want to get a felony on the way to a gun range.
2) If there is an intruder in my home and I use a completed 80% AR in self defense. What would be the scope of the risks I am taking.
Thank you.
A finished lower or anything over 80% is considered to be a rifle. Travel with it in the same manner as you would with a complete rifle even if the LPK hasn't been installed. Also get the CG flow list of the semi auto rifle section and keep it with you when you travel with your guns in California.

No risk in using a completed 80 unless you messed up when building it. It has the same legal status as if you bought a completed one through an FFL, it just isn't registered which is why most people build 80's along with the satisfaction of having done it yourself.

BTW, why anodize after building? I bought 2 that were anodized and used blue painters tape to protect them from being mared in the jig. That saves a lot of money. As for engraving, that is a personal preference. I left mine plain black. I did use a hand engraver to add a serial nu,ber to the inside of the magwell in case it was ever stolen, but you do not have to.
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A finished lower or anything over 80% is considered to be a rifle. Travel with it in the same manner as you would with a complete rifle even if the LPK hasn't been installed. Also get the CG flow list of the semi auto rifle section and keep it with you when you travel with your guns in California.

No risk in using a completed 80 unless you messed up when building it. It has the same legal status as if you bought a completed one through an FFL, it just isn't registered which is why most people build 80's along with the satisfaction of having done it yourself.

BTW, why anodize after building? I bought 2 that were anodized and used blue painters tape to protect them from being mared in the jig. That saves a lot of money. As for engraving, that is a personal preference. I left mine plain black. I did use a hand engraver to add a serial nu,ber to the inside of the magwell in case it was ever stolen, but you do not have to.
The term 80% or 95% is more marketing than anything. Bottom line is, the moment that the pocket has been breached by a drill, or mill, in which it's no longer flat/solid, that paper weight is now a firearm. This is why TM has gen 1 and gen 2, but are still referred to as 80%. You'll also notice from some atf determination letters, they'll actually mark the areas that must remain solid.

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What's the difference between the gen 1 and gen 2 lowers anyway?
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Spyde12,
You see where the you have five 3/8" holes? Is it ok to go in between them with a 1/8" drill bit just to take more material off? Just to give the router and end mill a little bit of a break? Anyone care to share?


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Here's one I completed a while back using TM gen 1:




Gen 2 will just make it faster to finish the rear shelf since there isn't much left to do. I'm a computer guy by trade and never really worked with power tools. I encourage everyone to read the gunsmith section and do it.

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You see where the you have five 3/8" holes? Is it ok to go in between them with a 1/8" drill bit just to take more material off? Just to give the router and end mill a little bit of a break? Anyone care to share?
I haven't done it, but I guess you can. You just got to be careful about not going too deep since there isn't a template to follow, unless your drill press has a stopper.


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Spyde, how come there are 5 3/8 holes and then the 2 smaller diameter holes? Is that part of the plans or is it sort of a pilot to give ease to the 3/8 bit on a second pass?
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Spyde, how come there are 5 3/8 holes and then the 2 smaller diameter holes? Is that part of the plans or is it sort of a pilot to give easy to the 3/8 bit on a second pass?
I used the modulus arms jig. I decided to get all the drill press activities out of the way. That's why you see holes. Afterwards, I milled out the trigger hole. Then the pocket. If you look at the modulus videos, they drill the 2 holes for the trigger and then mill it out. Then drill the remaining holes and mill it out. I was trying to see if doing it my way was more efficient.

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I see. Thanks for the clarification.
No problem. I know it was confusing without context. There's just a lot of screws to attach when using the MA jig with regards to lining up the appropriate holes and mill guide.

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