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Old 01-20-2018, 6:45 PM
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USFA single action revolvers are pretty well known and not cheap. Especially the Bisley model, I see them floating around GB for about $3K or more. I don't see them actually selling until around $2,500.00 or that's where the bidding sort of peters out and the gun is relisted. Asking price for the USFA revolvers is way out of line with the BB price.

Until 1997 the current USFA was known as the "US 'Patent' Firearms Mfg Co" and I'm interested to know if there's any difference in quality or value. I seem to recall a "used Uberti parts" era and/or that USFA was housed in the old Colt factory, or bought & used Colt's older machinery?
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Old 01-20-2018, 8:52 PM
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Good question. I'd be interested to know as well.

I know they finally transitioned to all USA made parts by 2001 and did use the old machinery. I've never handled a parts gun but do know selling my American made version with Ivory remains one of my biggest gun regrets. They are better than any gen. Colt SAA IMHO and a shame they stopped... I'd be willing to bet even the early parts guns are better than an early 3rd gen SAA.
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Old 01-21-2018, 8:20 AM
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I have heard some good things about their products. With that said, who, other than Freedom Arms makes a really high quality SAA style revolver?
I already have a Ruger Vaquero, and a 2nd and 3rd generation Colt SAA, so for a daily shooter what do the experienced Cowboy Action folks like?
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BFR makes a great quality revolver which some say comes in between Ruger and FA in terms of quality. But they're mostly large frame an compare to the SBH and FA 83.

There's a few other defunct makers/manufacturers outside of USFA that used to make great revolvers. TLA made fantastic stuff and are highly collectible.

Your easiest bet for the absolute best in a turn-key package is FA, but you could also find an early .357 3 screw Black Hawk in the used case of a local gun shop for $350, then invest $800-1200+++ in one of the great SA smiths of our day. David Clement's Jeff Quinn Special comes to mind: http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugerrevolvers.html The tune-up packages a lot of the great SA smiths (Clements, Bowen, Horvath, Stroh, Reeder, Huntington, Gallagher, Linebaugh, Harton, etc.) Can range from a $200-500 slick-up package to the absolute works in a #5 build for $2500+

If I were in the market for something today I'd get one of these from the Lipsey's catalog. CCH by Turnbull who did the CCH for USFA: http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/vie...?f=41&t=262371

Cimmaron and Uberti make great products as well for the money.

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Thank you for that; I just realized that we do indeed have an older Blackhawk .357 stashed away that nobody uses. I recall finding that at a garage sale many years ago and the widow just happy to be rid of it.
A friend is into FA, and believes them to be the best made revolver out there, so I may end up with one of those this year.
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Shameless plug...I own a couple USFA revolvers. I own more than a couple Colt revolvers. The USFA isn't even in the same ballpark. They're the nicest SAAs made anywhere by anyone...ever...period...full stop. My 7.5in USFA .45 Colt is too nice to shoot and if I hadn't already shot it it would be a safe queen in favor of an Uberti or Colt.

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BFR makes a great quality revolver which some say comes in between Ruger and FA in terms of quality. But they're mostly large frame an compare to the SBH and FA 83.

There's a few other defunct makers/manufacturers outside of USFA that used to make great revolvers. TLA made fantastic stuff and are highly collectible.

Your easiest bet for the absolute best in a turn-key package is FA, but you could also find an early .357 3 screw Black Hawk in the used case of a local gun shop for $350, then invest $800-1200+++ in one of the great SA smiths of our day. David Clement's Jeff Quinn Special comes to mind: http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugerrevolvers.html The tune-up packages a lot of the great SA smiths (Clements, Bowen, Horvath, Stroh, Reeder, Huntington, Gallagher, Linebaugh, Harton, etc.) Can range from a $200-500 slick-up package to the absolute works in a #5 build for $2500+

If I were in the market for something today I'd get one of these from the Lipsey's catalog. CCH by Turnbull who did the CCH for USFA: http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/vie...?f=41&t=262371

Cimmaron and Uberti make great products as well for the money.
I have a few Cimmaron and Uberti and they are well made, but they're a bit larger in the frame than Colts. The old AWA did a good job of copying Colt dimensions but their QC wasn't very good. The USFA seems very well made and right sized too.

5 1/2" isn't exactly the barrel length I'd like in a Bisley but the price is OK, it's NIB and the company is long gone.
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JB, those are some outstanding pieces you have for sale. I've got my grandfather's S&W Registered Magnum, circa 1936, mint, with box, papers, tag, and cert from S&W, and plan on passing it to my kids down the road.
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