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Old 09-18-2018, 4:52 PM
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I have an opportunity to buy a used Kel Tec SU-16CA for $450. This is the first Kel Tec rifle I've personally held; they seem to be somewhat rare. I've been thinking about getting a rifle. Is this a decent .223 rifle for home defense and target shooting? I don't own any rifles, only pistols and shotguns. I've heard mixed reviews of Kel Tec products in general. I don't want the gun to blow up and take my hand off or anything...
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Old 09-18-2018, 6:13 PM
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I would grab it. They work and take AR mags. Not as accurate at an AR15 but a good rifle.
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Old 09-18-2018, 7:52 PM
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I would grab it. They work and take AR mags. Not as accurate at an AR15 but a good rifle.
You should be very happy with this rifle . If you have any problems with it
Kel Tec customer service is excellent .


I started this thread to track my warranty experience (not original owner)

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Old 09-18-2018, 7:55 PM
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Its a good rifle. I wouldn't plan on shooting 10's of thousands of rounds through it or taking classes with it, but its a great plinker, truck rifle, etc.
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Old 09-18-2018, 8:01 PM
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I like mine - light, compact, takes ar15 mags. Trigger isn’t all that great though. You can buy an improved trigger.
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I bought mine used for $400 and it has been a great gun. It had less than 100 rounds thru it. Yours probably hasn't been shot that much either.

I have done 2 Front Sight Rifle classes with it, and got #2 in the man on man shootout with it. much to the chagrin of the 5 High $ AR shooters I beat getting to the final. Lost the final by .3 seconds.

Mine is just as accurate as my other carbines and it folds in half which the others don't . It is my first choice if I had to run. It weighs 6 lbs 1oz with 2 loaded mags in the buttstock.

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Fun fact, that same area will hold a GI 30 round mag sideways instead of the two factory 10 rounders.

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It is my first choice if I had to run. It weighs 6 lbs 1oz with 2 loaded mags in the buttstock.

Great gun!

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Old 09-18-2018, 10:34 PM
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Great backpacking or trunk rifle. Don't use the Keltec mags, they suck.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:39 PM
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$450 seems like an excellent deal compared to $640 at Turners. I'd jump on that myself.

https://www.turners.com/kel-tec/kel-...-16-bar-469797
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For that price, go for it. It feels plasticky but it works. It’s not meant to be a battle rifle to take the beating, but it’s a pretty good backup rifle that is ‘CA friendly.’
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Old 09-19-2018, 7:26 AM
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$450 is good price. I’d buy it and I’m not buying anymore guns.

It’s actually a very durable rifle, and perfect for California.
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Old 09-19-2018, 1:14 PM
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Okay, thanks folks!
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Old 09-19-2018, 4:04 PM
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My receiver cracked after only a couple hundred rounds. Kel-Tec replaced it without question but for that reason I would NOT choose it if I "had to run."

If I had to run I'd take a proven battle rifle not a light duty backpacking gun, but that's just me :-)
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I like my SU-16A with B sights and Monstrum 3x prisim scope. I've had it a long time but just put on the sights/scope it has now not long ago.
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I'd get it. I sold mines for 875. I miss it. Bagged me a lot of deer and bear meat. Plenty accurate. Just dont shoot with bipod down
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Featureless, light weight, side charging, piston driven 5.56, that takes AR mags. If it's in good condition I'd buy one for $450.
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Old 09-19-2018, 7:30 PM
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Sounds like the rifle is adequate for my needs and a good deal. Thanks folks!
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Old 09-19-2018, 7:45 PM
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The Bushmaster extractor upgrade is cheap and easy.

https://www.thektog.org/threads/ar-e...s-su16.227910/
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Sounds like the rifle is adequate for my needs and a good deal. Thanks folks!
While your new carbine's in jail you can geek out on all the Nutnfancy Kel-Tec videos.

https://www.youtube.com/user/nutnfan...=kel-tec+su+16

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Ditch the bipod and get the compact forend:

https://www.keltecweapons.com/compact-forend-509

I love mine, haven't shot it in a while, time to take it out. I haven't done the extractor upgrade; the Bushmaster kit is no longer available will this work:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...epair-kit.html
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Absolutely buy it. But... stay away from Wolf steel cased ammo. I had James with the stuff in 2 different SU16s and needed to hammer the stick cases out of the chamber with a cleaning rod. Stick with brass cased ammo and have fun shooting.
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Sounds like a good deal, and the CA is supposed to be the best California legal version if you aren't going to modify it.

I don't own one, but I own two other Keltec guns and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with the brand.
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You can treat it like an AK if using domestic ammo. Shooting Russian ammo requires immediate cleaning after range session.

My pre-chrome lined model easily holds 1.5 moa groups using 50gr hollow point ammo.
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Why is the owner selling it? Make sure you don't spend more $ having to fix it than buying a new one.
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$499 at Turners per the new ad. 9/21-9/27.
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$499 at Turners per the new ad. 9/21-9/27.
Thanks for pointing this out.
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I would say buy it. I bought mine a month ago from someone here on the forums for around the same price. It was my first gun and I'm still figuring it out.

Here is what I have found out so far:
- When I bought it, it was having stovepipe issues. I did a complete field strip and found the piston to be filthy and with carbon buildup. I cleaned it and while I was at it polished the botton of the bolt carrier which contacts the rounds in the magazine. This solved the stovepipe issue 100%.
- The built in bipod is useless. Especially once the barrel heats up. The bipod actually pushes the barrel up and was affecting my groups to the point I almost sold the rifle. Instead of selling it, I made an experimental floating forend and went back to the range. My accuracy issues were gone! Now I can get consistent 1 - 1.5 MOA at 100yd with 55 FMJ.
- The stock composite mags are garbage. I am using a 10rd Steel Colt Ar15 mag and it works flawlessly. No feed issues.

Overall I love the rifle. I would definitely recommend the keltec short forend or a DIY floating forend which I could give you some pointers on making. It took about a day. The factory bipod is only going to cause you headaches. Let me know if you want to buy a keltec short forend because I have one that I dont need anymore! PM me.

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I actually like the look and feel of the factory forend.

But yeah, don't use the bipod. That thing sucks. The Steyr scout bipod is much nicer- and still sucks eggs.
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I went so far as to withdraw the cash from my bank to buy the gun yesterday. But then a guy at a gun shop told me that he has heard of the polymer SU-16s warping from heat if left in a hot car, and he told me he once broke the polymer trigger on one while testing it. I started looking at the Fightlite/Ares SCR as a more durable (but more expensive) option. So in the end I didn't buy the SU-16CA.
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I went so far as to withdraw the cash from my bank to buy the gun yesterday. But then a guy at a gun shop told me that he has heard of the polymer SU-16s warping from heat if left in a hot car, and he told me he once broke the polymer trigger on one while testing it. I started looking at the Fightlite/Ares SCR as a more durable (but more expensive) option. So in the end I didn't buy the SU-16CA.
Yeah, SU-16 defiantly shouldn't serve as your first or primary rifle. It's a "toy" to play around with if you already have other more dependable rifles you can rely on as tools.
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I would get it. They're not as rugged as an AR, but they're more than good enough for an urban environment. For SHTF, I like that it can be folded and put into a backpack.
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I went so far as to withdraw the cash from my bank to buy the gun yesterday. But then a guy at a gun shop told me that he has heard of the polymer SU-16s warping from heat if left in a hot car, and he told me he once broke the polymer trigger on one while testing it. I started looking at the Fightlite/Ares SCR as a more durable (but more expensive) option. So in the end I didn't buy the SU-16CA.
Mine hasn't warped or had trigger break and it's 10 years old or older, can't remember when I bought it would have to dig out receipt.
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OP I have both an SU16CA and SCR and neither has had any problems whatsoever.

I seldom listen to gun store guys unless I know them and know for sure they know what they are talking about. Employees at Turners or Dicks aren't usually too well informed.

The turd you talked to, who said they warped if left in the sun was FOS. Front Sight in June is right at 95 to 100 F everyday and mine has been thru 2 4 day classes and hasn't warped yet. It sits in a gun rack in the sun everyday with a bunch of other guns that don't warp either. I could see if the temps got over 200 F. But if that happened you'd be the idiot, not the fault of the gun.

Mine also has thousands of rounds thru it and I haven't broken the trigger yet either! Some people can FU anything. (see the rules below.)

Go buy that gun you won't regret it!

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Thanks for pointing this out.
Also the one on sale is not the CA model you are looking at, but the A model

The CA is on Sale for $579
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I always thought this rifle was kinda goofy. Get rid of our goofy laws surrounding ARs, and I would much rather have an AR. If you like the breakdown aspects, ARs can do that too, in some really cool ways thanks to some new gadgets out there. That said...we do have all those goofy laws...so this rifle definitely has some appeal to it. It has miraculously managed to escape the notice of the gun grabbers and is designed to remain ban free. Which is impressive.
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Also the one on sale is not the CA model you are looking at, but the A model

The CA is on Sale for $579
Take a look at Turners consignment page. There’s (2) SU-16’s being listed.
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I always thought this rifle was kinda goofy. Get rid of our goofy laws surrounding ARs, and I would much rather have an AR. If you like the breakdown aspects, ARs can do that too, in some really cool ways thanks to some new gadgets out there. That said...we do have all those goofy laws...so this rifle definitely has some appeal to it. It has miraculously managed to escape the notice of the gun grabbers and is designed to remain ban free. Which is impressive.
As much as I mostly prefer the AR-15, the SU-16 is lighter and much more backpacking friendly.
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Sounds like the idiotic myth from the 90s that Glocks will melt if you shoot them too fast.

I have never seen ANY polymer gun melt, short of being in a fire. Even the infamous HK G36 trunnion shift was tested- you can see it on youtube with an SBR barrel/auto receiver. POI didn't shift.

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I just acquired CA variant from a Calgunner fir $450 and love it.
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