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Old 08-15-2018, 2:05 PM
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I've been selling off much my collection for health/financial reasons, and I parted with my Mini-14 and Mini-30. The Mini-14 didn't bother me, as I have my light weight STAG-15 AR-15 featureless 5.56 6.25 lb. M4gery build with a 2x7 tactical scope I hated selling the Mini-30, though. I really like the 7.62x39 round, especially my 123 Nosler hand loads.

I opted on getting a 7.62x39 upper for my upper. At 66 and on retirement mode, I am not a brand snob. Midway USA had complete AR Stoner uppers in 7.62x39 for $399.00 with BCG and charging handle. I figured I would pick one up to use with the AR lower I kept. Well, by the time I finally got around to ordering, they had a mondo good sale going, and I got the entire 7.62x39 AR Stoner build kit for $359! That inspired me to trade some +p 9mm I had to my buddy at the gunshop for another lower (another STAG-15) for this build.

I built the 7.62x39 carbine, replacing the stock and handguard with Magpul MOE stiuff I had and a Sparrow Dynamics featureless grip. I replaced the flash hider with a compact Tridelta comp, and pinned the stock. I topped it off with Bushnell TRS-32 red dot I had in the cabinet, and picked up a couple ASC stainless steel 10 rounders.

I took it to the range today to sight her in. I fed it 100 rounds EACH of my Nosler 123 grain Varmagedon .310" brass cased handloads with 24.5 grains of 4198, and Tulammo Ulyanovsk 8M3 134 HPs steel case. All 200 rounds fired without a single failure.

First I did a battle sight with the TRS-32 at 25 yards where I confirmed both my handloads and the 8M3 had approximately the same POA/POI. I then put 10 rounds rapid fire into a 1.5" circle at 25 yards with the Tulammo. After that I began shooting clay pigeons at 100 yards, and finally assorted baseball and softball sized targets at 200 yards, still using the TRS-32. It was dead nuts on!

You all can spend the high dollar to drink the fancy weapon Kool-Aid, but my $450 7.62x39 AR Stoner/STAG15 build is good enough for me.I'd rather spend the money on the Grandkids and my wife! It will do as my ranch/home defense carbine and even whack the coyotes prowling our acreage out to 200 yards.


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Thanks, I do not notice any more recoil shooting the steel cased 7.62x39 than my 5.56 shooting MK262 MOD1 77 grainers. The handloads were a bit warmer, but still easy on the shoulder. With the Sparrow Dynamics grip and the Bushnell TRS-32 red dot, it handled really nicely. I really fell in love with the Sparrow grip on my M4gery.
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I heard that the 8M3 round will not stop a wild pig.
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What range was that pig shot at?
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That was off one of the AK forums about 10 years ago when the original 8M3 was in a white and blue or buff and black box. IIRC, it was around 100 yards or so. It was Texas or somewhere around there.

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Texas Hunting forum from 2010:

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/u...Re_8m3_Carnage

Ulyanovsk 8M3 "Effect" projectiles are 124 grains, have a more rounded ogive on the bullet (looks a little stubbier), and have pre-fail cuts on the inside of the jacket in the hollow point. If you take a needle, you can feel the cuts inside the hollow point. There are a lot of you tube videos about in, and lots of Gelatin tests. They have been my go to rounds starting in around 2007. I had AKs until last year when I started to thin the heard. I had a Mini-30 that loved the stuff also. The thought of my AR15 carbine shooting 8M3 reliably makes me all warm and fuzzy inside!

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What mag are you using? I have a spare lower that could use an upper. Variety is the spice of life right ?!
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It is an ASC made AR Stoner marked stainless steel 10 round mag. ASC in my experience (I have messed around with 7.62x39 AR15s a couple time in the past, including a Colt when they first came out and we had to use 5 rounds in a 20 round colt M16 mag), and the Promags and aluminum mags (old C products, I think) weren't worth a hoot. A buddy in Oregon has ASC 20s and 30s for the 7.62x39 AR15 and they work 100%.

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Yeah I just got the PSA 7.62x39 "AR47" upper for $280 shipped. And it rocks too. I'm really diggin the "AR47". Its very accurate and fun to shoot not to mention how cheap steel cased ammo is. Who doesnt want a semiauto .30-30?
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Midway USA the sales is still going on: Complete kit for $359, when just the upper is $399!

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/97...wist-16-barrel

I think this was the best $359 I have spent in a LONG time. I am tickled.
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The PSA was going to be my first choice, but it was out of stock when I looked. The AR Stoner upper has good re views, except one guy got one with rust in the barrel! WTF! Mine had a little residue from the three test fired cases they included with it.
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Speaking of deals, I replaced the heavy mid-length barrel on my PSA 5.56 build with this chrome lined, phosphate, 1/7 twist M4 barrel for $133. I replaced the middy heavy barrel barrel with the M4, and the Magpul furniture with CAR15 stock and handguards and knocked 13 ozs. off my 5.56 build!

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Good God rangemaster, rifles are like Legos to you. LOL I have never known one person to change up their daily carry rifle as much as you. That said, I always enjoy your pictures. Thank you for posting them.
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Good God rangemaster, rifles are like Legos to you. LOL I have never known one person to change up their daily carry rifle as much as you. That said, I always enjoy your pictures. Thank you for posting them.
Haha! Thanks To me, guns are tools and an investment that I happen to enjoy. They come, they go. There are some "eternals" like the Glock 19 I got in 1994 as a duty weapon (and is my EDC weapon for my retired LEO status), or the 10-22 Ruger my wife got me for my birthday in 1973. Other than that they are a bank account. When times are good, I accumulate, when they are tougher, I liquidate.

At 66 I know I can't take them with me. Recently because of health issues, I have sold much of my guns of guns and accessories since April. Now that it is on the upswing, though, I expect to go into accumulation mode again by the end of the year, putting them "in the bank" so to speak.

My two generic AR builds are so inexpensive ($400 to $450 ea.), they aren't worth selling. I did sell a nice AR15 retro 601 clone for $1100, though, and the Costa Mesa AR180 I had at my friend's in Nevada for $1900.

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is that a standard ar15 lower? For some reason I thought the mage well had to be different to use x39 rounds
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is that a standard ar15 lower? For some reason I thought the mage well had to be different to use x39 rounds
Nope, standard AR15 lower. Colt was the first to come out with 7.62x39 AR15s, using standard AR15 Sporter II lowers (marked 7.62x39, instead of .223). IIRC, they came out in the late 1980s - 89 or 90 or the early 1990s before the Clinton ban I known of several from 1992. Back then the only mags were USGI 20 round type loaded to 5 rounds.

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dam..now I need an upper : ) thanks
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You know, the terminal ballistics of MK262 MOD1 77 grain OTMs and 7.62x39 M83 are probably darn near the same. I use MK262 MOD1 in my M4gery, and with its 2x7 tactical scope, I feel confident out to 300 yards.

There is just something cooler about "bigger bullets being more better" and the red dot had me hitting softball sized targets at 200 with the 8M3. Around the ranch/hpome, I'll stick with the 7.62x39 AR just like I did with Mini-30 when I had it.

We regularly have mountain lion and bear here, as well as LOTS of coyote. While the last coyote I whacked on the property was with a MK262 Mod1, I feel a little more secure on the other two with the bigger round.
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Looks like mine. I used the Magpul fixed stock set 1.4" back. This is one fun blaster and rather accurate too. It does 400 yards with a 7" spread.
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I actually played with 7.62x39 ARs in the way-back past. I tried a Colt for awhile that a buddy wanted to sell. I had a Poly Tech AK at the time so it didn't ring my bells. I have to say, though, that after 200 rounds, I am seriously in love with this little thumper. It would make a kick @ss little pig gun!

I was a little bored with AR platform, and actually preferred my Mini-14 and Mini-30 until I had to sell them with much of the herd last month. I've been shooting AR15 platforms since 1974 in the Green Machine, and building them since about 1988, when all we had was Retro and PWA and SGW lowers. I went through a 300 BLK stage 6 or 7 years ago, but never could tune it to cycle and be accurate with both 110-120s and subsonics. Also, I personally favor the 7.62x39 with its 200 FPS edge, unless one is using a can with sub-sonics - which will never happen in this state!

While I had no FTFs on the steel ammo, just to be safe, I replaced the hammer spring with a Wolff enhanced hammer spring, and ordered an enhanced 7.62x39 AR15 firing pin from BlackRifleArms.com for $11. It has a slightly longer FP protrusion. I have $20 invested in a little extra "no-FTF" insurance for steel cased!

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Cool! I bought the same upper, but it came as a kit with an 80% lower and LPK, etc.
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Cool! I bought the same upper, but it came as a kit with an 80% lower and LPK, etc.
Sweet. Mine was a complete kit with all lower parts, but no 80%. I think there is an outfit called Bear River Armory that sells the same kit. Midway USA may be buying from them and branding it AR Stoner, which is their store brand.

My two 10 rounders are ASCs, branded AR Stoner with a floor plate. It is my understanding that Midway/AR Stoner sources all of their 7.62x39 AR15 stainless steel mags from ASC. I have also heard that their AR Stoner aluminum 5.56 mags are made by C Products for them.
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Since we're playing 7.62x39 AR show & tell...

PWS Mod 1 upper and Aero lower. Was running it on a BCM Recce lower, but when I replaced the buffer system with a Kynshot recoil damper for the BCM upper, it wouldn't cycle 7.62x39 so figured I'd build a dedicated lower.

I like that the upper uses a long stroke piston system like the AK. I prefer C Products Defense mags. I've tried ASC and I think C Defense works better.

With Trijicon MRO and PA ACSS 1-6. BDC works really well. Also have it on my Arsenal Sam7.



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I've been selling off much my collection for health/financial reasons, and I parted with my Mini-14 and Mini-30. The Mini-14 didn't bother me, as I have my light weight STAG-15 AR-15 featureless 5.56 6.25 lb. M4gery build with a 2x7 tactical scope I hated selling the Mini-30, though. I really like the 7.62x39 round, especially my 123 Nosler hand loads.

I opted on getting a 7.62x39 upper for my upper. At 66 and on retirement mode, I am not a brand snob. Midway USA had complete AR Stoner uppers in 7.62x39 for $399.00 with BCG and charging handle. I figured I would pick one up to use with the AR lower I kept. Well, by the time I finally got around to ordering, they had a mondo good sale going, and I got the entire 7.62x39 AR Stoner build kit for $359! That inspired me to trade some +p 9mm I had to my buddy at the gunshop for another lower (another STAG-15) for this build.

I built the 7.62x39 carbine, replacing the stock and handguard with Magpul MOE stiuff I had and a Sparrow Dynamics featureless grip. I replaced the flash hider with a compact Tridelta comp, and pinned the stock. I topped it off with Bushnell TRS-32 red dot I had in the cabinet, and picked up a couple ASC stainless steel 10 rounders.

I took it to the range today to sight her in. I fed it 100 rounds EACH of my Nosler 123 grain Varmagedon .310" brass cased handloads with 24.5 grains of 4198, and Tulammo Ulyanovsk 8M3 134 HPs steel case. All 200 rounds fired without a single failure.

First I did a battle sight with the TRS-32 at 25 yards where I confirmed both my handloads and the 8M3 had approximately the same POA/POI. I then put 10 rounds rapid fire into a 1.5" circle at 25 yards with the Tulammo. After that I began shooting clay pigeons at 100 yards, and finally assorted baseball and softball sized targets at 200 yards, still using the TRS-32. It was dead nuts on!

You all can spend the high dollar to drink the fancy weapon Kool-Aid, but my $450 7.62x39 AR Stoner/STAG15 build is good enough for me.I'd rather spend the money on the Grandkids and my wife! It will do as my ranch/home defense carbine and even whack the coyotes prowling our acreage out to 200 yards.

Awesome! Nice rifle and nice deal. I had a 7.62x39 AR upper from Alpha Shooting Sports and sold it. Now I wish I still had it. Iím not one to sell guns, but my friend kept begging me. Thanks for using our grip and for your support!
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Awesome! Nice rifle and nice deal. I had a 7.62x39 AR upper from Alpha Shooting Sports and sold it. Now I wish I still had it. Iím not one to sell guns, but my friend kept begging me. Thanks for using our grip and for your support!
My 5.56 M4gery has one of your grips, also, I really feel it as ergonomic as a pistol grip, almost like an FN P90 PDW grip.
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Update: Went to the range to check function and accuracy of my new load: 24.5 grains IMR 4198, WLR primer, and a 123 grain Hornady Z-Max bullet in assorted brass cases. The Z-Max has a thicker jacket than the Nosler Varmagedon, which might do for coyote, but would probably be too light for mountain lion or two legged varmints. I also switched from the Magpul furniture to some light weight retro CAR-15 furniture to save 13 oz. 100 rounds, with zero malfunctions. I use a 25 yard POA = POI for roughly a 200 yard zero.

25 yard (red dot is 1") 30 rounds, rapid fire - about 3 shots a minute, at 25 yards off hand, using a Busnell 1X TRS-32 red dot, co-witnessed with BUIS. The red circle in the middle of the target was 1". I also broke clay pigeons at100 yards from a casual rest, and hit a 6" pine cone at 200 yards.



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I absolutely love this little7.62x39 Carbine. It has replaced my 5.56 build (with MK 262 MOD1) for my ranch.home defensive carbine. The 5.56 with MK262 MOD1 with its 2x6 scope will do the longer range stuff. On the ranch, 125 yards is about the tops for a shot.
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I have a few 7.62x39 AR's.
Alright rifles, but will never be better then a good AK.

Buffer tubes do not touch pistol grip portion (two piece).
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Alright rifles, but will never be better then a good AK.

Buffer tubes do not touch pistol grip portion (two piece).
Nice! I agree, if you want a 7.62x39 battle rifle, an AK is best. For a HD Carbine, though, the 7.62x39 AR15 is very viable. Personally, I don't care for 30 rounders in either an AR15 or Mini-30 in 7.62x39, but 20 rounders are perfect. The 7.62x39 30s are too long and catch on things. I know from personal experience the ASC 20 round 7.62x39 AR15 mags functioned 100% with both Tulammo 8M3 124 HPs, and both Nosler 123 and Hornady 123 reloads.

In fact even on my 5,56 AR, I prefer 20s. Back when I used AR15s or Mini-14s as LEO patrol carbines, I almost always used 20s in the weapon.

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My pair of ARs: My 7.62x39 on the bottom and my 5.56 on the top.. California "Featureless" legal, with pinned stock, Sparrow Dynamics non-pistol grip, and muzzle brakes.

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$359 for the whole kit seems to be the standard "sale price" from Midway USA AR Stoner/BCA for the 7.62x39. Heck I had an extra lower, so I had a new rifle for $359 (I got free shipping). I absolutely LOVE the 7,63x39 AR. Hitting clay pigeons at 100 yards and 6 inch pine cones at 200 yards with the TRS-32 Bushnell red dot is certainly "Minute of Zombie/Goblin/Troll/Criminal Maladroits/Raving Insurrectionist"

Certainly good enough for Coyote out to 200 yards with the Hornady 123 grain Zombie Max bullet at 2450 fps MV! I was watching Youtube with gelatin results for the 7.62x39 123 grain Zombie Max bullet, and it has NASTY terminal ballistics! It is about as nasty as my 8M3 ammo, but more accurate.

I do have to confess, however, that I just DROSed a new Ruger PCC9 carbine. My Glock 19 is my EDC concealed carry piece (retired LEO), and I have lots of Glock mags from when I was an LEO and carried this same Glock 19 as my duty weapon. Should be pretty neat with my Federal 115 grain +P+ 9BPLE rounds. They give about 1400 fps from the Glock, so I expect about 1500 or 1550 from the carbine. That will be my backup HD carbine to the 7.62x39 AR15.
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Why is match grade 7.62x39 so expensive? I'm saving up brass to reload.
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I use a LEE turret press, 4 station with auto index. Decap and size, prime on the upstroke, powder dump die with LEE auto disk powder dump, seating die, and LEE factory crimp die. I do about 150- 200 rounds an hours easily. The Zombie max bullets are about $0.26 each, about $0.03 for a primer, and about $0.08 a round for IMR4198. That's about $0.37 a round for accurate, effective ammunition. I have been using this same press since about 1994 to load all my ammo, including 10s of thousands of rounds in Cowboy Action Calibers in that 23 years, and it is still going strong. I have a separate turret for each caliber: 30-30, 30 Carbine, 5.56, 7.62x39, .45 Colt, 44-40, 38-40, 38 S&W, .308 and a few others in the past.

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is that a standard ar15 lower? For some reason I thought the mage well had to be different to use x39 rounds
There is an AR platform that uses a re-designed lower to accept AK mags. I think that is what you are thinking of.

https://www.billetriflesystems.com/B.../brs47-l80.htm

https://www.billetriflesystems.com/B...cr-7.62x39.htm
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The majority of 7.62x39 AR15 uppers use any AR15 lower. You have to use 7.62x39 magazines, though. ASC 10s and 20s work great, as does AR Stoner 10s. I tried an ASC 30 rounder in Oregon, and it worked great with brass cased ammo, but was iffy with steel cased.
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