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Old 06-30-2018, 2:23 PM
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Thanks for the advice/information; I appreciate it.
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I'm not sure this question warrants 6 pages of discussion.
Depends on where you are coming from and your perspective. I used to believe my accuracy had more to do with the gun than my use of it. Eventually, I learned that the vast majoity of semiauto handgun design and manufacturing would produce a level of default accuracy well beyond any self defense need I would ever have in a practical sense. The rest is all Competiton Shooting related (including sniper competition) and yes, along those lines you want every advantage you can get within the limits of the rules.

As one member here has just stated, if the OP gets deep into pressing their own loads, things have the potential for getting even more complicated on the matter of accuracy.

Besides, in a purely self defense sense the definition of accuracy used on a range will absolutely zero meaning against an assailant moving at lightening speeds in variable directions while you are either running for cover or returning fire from cover.

So, I think the wiser thing to do, would be to use these kinds of threads to refocus people who might be relative new to guns on that which truly matters in the realm of what would be practical in a real world defensive scenario. Again, just 3 cents worth. Iím a no body when it comes to guns and everybody knows that about me around here. 🤓
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Old 07-01-2018, 2:13 PM
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Do you reload? Shooting factory ball out of even the best 1911 can be taxing, especially for smaller people. Get a press and develop some nice mid-range loads with 200 or 185 grain bullets. My wife can shoot my 1911 all day long with these.
I am almost set to begin reloading for .308 and plan to do so for my pistols down the road when I have all of the necessary ingredients.
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Old 07-02-2018, 8:15 AM
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OP, several LGS have CZ 75 Tactical Sports 9mm in stock.
go to LGS and get TS now, or wait several months more.
RifleGear.com has "More than 5" now.

you can buy 929 or 986 later anytime
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OP, several LGS have CZ 75 Tactical Sports 9mm in stock.
go to LGS and get TS now, or wait several months more.
RifleGear.com has "More than 5" now.

you can buy 929 or 986 later anytime
Down to 4 now, better hurry......
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Old 07-05-2018, 5:36 PM
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bmk20398 and Lacalusa1,
Thanks for the referral; by the time I saw it and checked them out, all were sold out (that are Cal legal). Maybe next time.

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Have the CZ Tactical Sports always been this scarce ??
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Old 07-08-2018, 7:30 AM
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Old 07-08-2018, 8:26 AM
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Have the CZ Tactical Sports always been this scarce ??
Iíve waited close to 2years before Riflegear had the TS in stock so pretty much hard to get.
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Old 07-08-2018, 8:32 AM
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I have been thinking of selling my 1911 and then taking the money I get from that to buy a very accurate 9mm handgun, but before doing so I wanted to get others opinions on what they think would be the most accurate 9mm handgun. I would prefer to get one with a 5 inch barrel, thinking that the longer it is, the more accurate it will be, but am not married to the idea that it must be 5 inches long (provided it is very accurate). What are your thoughts, or what has your experience taught you, that I can learn from?
Get a good trigger job on the 1911 and it will improve the accuracy.
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Old 07-08-2018, 11:51 AM
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A whole lot of competition Shooters use Glock. There must be a reason. And I know some people are going to say sponsorship, but they do work well.
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Old 07-10-2018, 9:32 PM
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And a whole lot more use CZ.
I think that you might be right: I cannot seem to find a CZ 75 Tactical Sport in stock anywhere, and when I finally did last night at BudsGunShop, you had to be a VIP member to be able to buy it. They had "less than 5 available" whatever that means.
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Old 07-11-2018, 3:01 PM
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I know this is about the Luger, but in my experience the most accurate 9mm is anything in 357 Sig.
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I know this is about the Luger, but in my experience the most accurate 9mm is anything in 357 Sig.
How did you measure the difference between the two?
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Thanks for your feedback; a few of my friends think I am crazy for thinking of selling my 1911 to get a 9 mil.
My buddy Tommy Lee Jones said I was sissy for getting a SECOND 1911 in 9mm.
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How did you measure the difference between the two?
Eyeballed it.
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The two most accurate automatics Ive ever owned were:
HK USP .40
HK USP .45

However, I feel the ergonomics to my hand size may have contributed.

The 2nd most accurate auto (slide) pistol I've ever owned was a Kimber 1911 Warrior. However, I sold it for another HK as I had a hard time holding on to it under rapid fire (yes I tried different grips).
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Eyeballed it.
What distances?
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Old 07-12-2018, 8:16 PM
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I think that you might be right: I cannot seem to find a CZ 75 Tactical Sport in stock anywhere, and when I finally did last night at BudsGunShop, you had to be a VIP member to be able to buy it. They had "less than 5 available" whatever that means.
2A Zone has the Tactical Sports in stock. I just picked mine up from him Tuesday. He said he had 11 in stock. I have his contact info if u want
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Old 07-16-2018, 8:51 PM
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What is 2A Zone's price for the CZ TS ?
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Old 07-16-2018, 9:10 PM
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I will never sell my PX4 9 mm because it is a tack driver.
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Sp01 sprinkled with Cajun spice
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Old 07-17-2018, 5:35 PM
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Sp01 sprinkled with Cajun spice
I have heard a lot of good things about Cajon Gun Works. Have you had them do any work for you? If so, I take it that you are very satisfied.
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Old 07-18-2018, 2:57 AM
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What was the 2Azone out the door price for the Cz TS
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Old 07-18-2018, 7:52 AM
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Thanks for your feedback; a few of my friends think I am crazy for thinking of selling my 1911 to get a 9 mil.
You are, I have 1911s in 9mm, 10mm and .45 of course , I sold everything else to just keep these sold all the HK USPs, sold all the Sigs, the CZs, Mini Deagles all the Glocks.
Many were accurate, but my 1911s bested all of them.

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Old 07-18-2018, 10:23 AM
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Default Most accurate Calif. legal 9mm handgun?

here is my target @ 10 yard, CZ P01 a compact model , 10rds @ each paper.
Well, at least I know the gun is more accurate than me.




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Sig x5 comp in 9mm is the most accurate for me.
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Sac Black Rifle has a CZ75 Tactical Sport in 9 in stock today. Donít know the price!


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Old 07-20-2018, 6:25 PM
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Sac Black Rifle has a CZ75 Tactical Sport in 9 in stock today. Donít know the price!


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Are you referring to Sacramento Black Rifle? I checked their website & they don't appear to carry them; when I did a search for that gun, it showed a blank page. Did I get the wrong store name, maybe?
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Old 07-21-2018, 7:24 AM
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Where are the 25 yd B8s to support the responses?
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BroncoMustang, a question. What is your objective regarding accuracy? Competition? Defense? If defense, for example, other important considerations may apply ... for example dependability. For me, how the pistol "feels" is also really important ... I mean I have a couple that I can pick up and it just seems like they're part of my body.

I think my first love will always be the 1911, but the 92FS is a great weapon. But again, its important to consider your objective. For example, if your goal is a defensive weapon some versions have a picatiny rail. That's useful to mount a light if defense is your goal.
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Old 07-21-2018, 9:18 AM
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BroncoMustang, a question. What is your objective regarding accuracy? Competition? Defense? If defense, for example, other important considerations may apply ... for example dependability. For me, how the pistol "feels" is also really important ... I mean I have a couple that I can pick up and it just seems like they're part of my body.

I think my first love will always be the 1911, but the 92FS is a great weapon. But again, its important to consider your objective. For example, if your goal is a defensive weapon some versions have a picatiny rail. That's useful to mount a light if defense is your goal.
I am looking for one that our kids can shoot at the range, ones that due to the precision of the barrel, trigger, etc. give them a better chance of hitting the target. The intention is to introduce them to a higher caliber and, then as they mature, see if they have an interest in competition shooting matches. They will also serve as home defense, if needed. Thanks for the feedback.
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Looks like 2A Zone's price for the CZ Tac Sport is $1,179.

And it appears they have some in stock.
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Looks like 2A Zone's price for the CZ Tac Sport is $1,179.

And it appears they have some in stock.
Get one..... it has my vote for being one of the most accurate gun. Shot the TS over the weeekend and damn itís very accurate almost cheating with it.
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And they seem hard to find
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I am looking for one that our kids can shoot at the range, ones that due to the precision of the barrel, trigger, etc. give them a better chance of hitting the target. The intention is to introduce them to a higher caliber and, then as they mature, see if they have an interest in competition shooting matches. They will also serve as home defense, if needed. Thanks for the feedback.
Nothing about the precision of the handgun will make any difference for any reasonable combination of handgun and shooter. The biggest difference will be not in how accurate the handgun is, but how EASY it is for a specific person to shoot it well, and that's a highly personal factor.

For people with smaller hands it's probably even tougher given how beefy a typical 9mm is.
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I'm happy with the M&P Shield
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So did anyone have objective data/research comparing all California legal 9mm handguns for "accuracy"?

What were the metrics?

Curious where I can read each type of ammunition used and environmental details like ambient temperature, elevation, etc.

And of course, who or what was pulling the trigger.
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I also like the M&P Shield -- probably not the most inherently accurate pistol, but it is a great value and has a very nice fit for me. Lots of fun to shoot.

The Shield is just in a completely different category from the CZ Tac Sport -- in almost every way.
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Old 07-24-2018, 4:54 PM
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Get something with a 4-5" barrel and practice a lot.

That's how you get accurate. Im working on not being terrible.

The gun doesn't matter if you don't have fundamentals.

Get a large reactive target and don't let TRAINING get monotonous.

I'd probably just get them on a Walther 22 with CCI ammo, then try out other guns over time.

I've seen really good shooters use many different guns and shoot very accurately.

You can't buy fundamentals. You must train them.
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