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Old 07-11-2018, 10:41 AM
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Hey guys, I just wanted to share a video I shared on YouTube of a California compliant option to avoid registration or modification of your rifle where it no longer looks or functions as an ar-15. This is for folks who want a fast magazine change, keep bolt catch/last round bolt hold open and easily address type 3 malfunction. This will allow you to keep your ar15 looking like an ar15 and be 100% compliant with the law 2018 and beyond. Here is the link,

https://youtu.be/omWvvQd6k4M

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Old 07-11-2018, 11:03 AM
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Don't have time to watch the video, but if it allows even one shot to be fired with the action cracked open (which the ARMaglock does, I believe, based on its forum rep's admission), it's in an extremely gray area based on the definition of fixed mag in the regs, and discussed at length in other threads.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:15 AM
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At 2:40 is a huge FUD. you absolutely can fire the weapon when its "cracked open"
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:34 AM
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Everything is a "gray area" in California...
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:49 PM
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There are several devices available to make a BB AR 15 a "fixed magazine" rifle. Some better than others

There are gun makers who install a "fixed mag" device on their otherwise "full feature" AR15 you can buy and have shipped to a FFL in CA

like this one for example

https://www.turners.com/daniel-defen...56-nato-453119

Gun stores and ranges also sell and install these devices
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:50 PM
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Everything is a "gray area" in California...
50 shades of grey
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Old 07-11-2018, 2:46 PM
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Being able to have a real mag release button is worth all this over a bullet button release.

50 Shades of Grey is exactly where we are--nobody really knows what is legal until people go to trial, maybe appeal.

Meanwhile, I have a spiel memorized if I am stopped and questioned, trying to explain the legality of my equipment with the best foot forward. Getting a citation or worse could be the end of a person's gun rights.
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Old 07-11-2018, 2:51 PM
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Meanwhile, I have a spiel memorized if I am stopped and questioned, trying to explain the legality of my equipment with the best foot forward. Getting a citation or worse could be the end of a person's gun rights.
Unless that spiel is "I wish to invoke my constitutional right to counsel, and will not answer questions outside his presence," you're putting yourself in jeopardy.

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Directly from the regulations, and the reason why the gun being able to fire and change mag is problematic. It doesn't matter if you think the gun is a single shot.

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(b) “Action” means the working mechanism of a semiautomatic firearm, which is the combination of the receiver or frame and breech bolt together with the other parts of the mechanism by which a firearm is loaded, fired, and unloaded.
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Disassembly of the firearm action” means the fire control assembly is detached from the action in such a way that the action has been interrupted and will not function. For example, disassembling the action on a two part receiver, like that on an AR-15 style firearm, would require the rear take down pin to be removed, the upper receiver lifted upwards and away from the lower receiver using the front pivot pin as the fulcrum, before the magazine may be removed.
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(hh) “Semiautomatic” means a firearm functionally able to fire a single cartridge, eject the empty case, and reload the chamber each time the trigger is pulled and released. Further, certain necessary mechanical parts that will allow a firearm to function in a semiautomatic nature must be present for a weapon to be deemed semiautomatic. A weapon clearly designed to be semiautomatic but lacking a firing pin, bolt carrier, gas tube, or some other crucial part of the firearm is not semiautomatic for purposes of Penal Code sections 30515, 30600, 30605(a), and 30900.
  1. A mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm merely lacking ammunition and a proper magazine is a semiautomatic firearm.
  2. A mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm disabled by a gun lock or other firearm safety device is a semiautomatic firearm. (All necessary parts are present, once the gun lock or firearm safety device is removed, and weapon can be loaded with a magazine and proper ammunition.)
  3. With regards to an AR-15 style firearm, if a complete upper receiver and a complete lower receiver are completely detached from one another, but still in the possession or under the custody or control of the same person, the firearm is not a semiautomatic firearm.
  4. A stripped AR-15 lower receiver, when sold at a California gun store, is not a semiautomatic firearm. (The action type, among other things, is undetermined.)
Everything that makes the gun semi-automatic is present with any of these limited opening take-down pins. It is a mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm and the regulations make it extremely clear when it is not a mechanically whole semi-automatic. Being able to fire when in the open position is extremely problematic.

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Directly from the regulations, and the reason why the gun being able to fire and change mag is problematic. It doesn't matter if you think the gun is a single shot.
You have more patience for this than I do, hat's off to you.
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I'm a late starter to this debate, so I've got plenty of fuel in the tank.
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I want to know who the first will be to show that the rifle can or cannot be fired with the limited break open pins, and quantify the distance required to disconnect the action from the fire control?

I don't have a dog in this show but it might be dangerously entertaining.
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I want to know who the first will be to show that the rifle can or cannot be fired with the limited break open pins, and quantify the distance required to disconnect the action from the fire control?

I don't have a dog in this show but it might be dangerously entertaining.
Protohyp admitted that's the case with the ARMAGLOCK/Kingpin combo. He knows his product, so I'll take the admission against self-interest at face value.
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