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Backers should be worn with all rifle plates, regardless of whether they are considered "stand alone."
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I bought 3 buckets, reloaded ammo and went plinking in the desert with my real german made hk91 that i sold. The seller said it was mil pull downs that didnt meet spec. Kicking self forever! |
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Yes. But then, it is important to look at the specs:
Multi-hit level IV. Standard level IV is ONLY rated for a single round. Exceptionally light/thin for type. Good Company, with a good rep. If you want the best plates available as a private citizen, these would be the top of the heap. And quality is never cheap.
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Absolutely didn't think you were. The sticker shock is a big one. But yes, your life is worth that much.
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haha, it was only about the price of 100 rounds of 9mm HST, for just those two..
Now I do have some M995 and AP4 (heavier version of M995), and some 152gr tungsten .308 I'm working on next! |
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The Firearms Blog has 2 guest posts on body armor today:
Choosing the right armor and Ceramic vs Steel I don't think there's much different here from what's already in the thread, but maybe the all-in-1-place part would be useful.
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I'd like to know more about a few parts of this. >These plates (UHMWPE) are generally going to be the lightest and or thinnest level 3 plates available. Last I checked, UHMWPE plates tend to be the thickest. >A pure Polyethylene plate can be defeated by a single round of M193 or M855 I know M855 is a problem for UHMWPE plates, but I have never heard of M193 being a problem for them. >Low-visibility/ concealment. Steel can be thin, yet stop rifle threat rounds, hence its usefulness in concealment scenarios. However, Ceramic/ Polyethylene technology has reached a point where steel is obsolete for this role. Concealment under what? I can conceal a hell of a lot under a coat. I can't conceal a .5" thick ceramic plate strapped to my chest under a loose shirt. Steel in this case would still have an advantage being that it's generally .2"-.25" thick. >Spalling is a major concern for all steel armor There is a group called Sierra 12 (I'm not going to be able to link it because my posts don't go through when I post links) that did some tests where they had ballistics gel blocks around a bare steel plate when shooting it. All but one round penetrated under 1" into the ballistics gelatin (which is comparable to what an airsoft gun will do and will not break skin in practice) and one round managed 3" of penetration (which is less than what is expected of the calibration BB and still might not break skin). >Steel is a rigid and hard material, when a bullet strikes it, the energy will “pass through” the steel and into the chest of the wearer. If the plate is struck at the right place, depending on how strong your bones are, it may break your sternum and puncture your heart. What the hell are you talking about here and do you have any scientific basis for this claim? How is steel going to magically focus the energy on your bones in a way that could kill you while simultaneously not exceeding maximum backface deformation standards?
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Is the largest reasoning for ICW ratings with plates to reduce back face deformation or is the soft armor actually expected to stop the bullet after being slowed by the plate (partial penetration, spall, etc)? Is it to achieve the multi-hit rating? I been using VS Special Threat plates (standalone) but recently picked up a set that is lighter and thinner than the Velocity with same threat protection but requires IIIA. Wouldn't second guess putting soft armor behind the plate but curious as to why. Last edited by patriot_man; 09-16-2017 at 7:48 AM.. |
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ICW plates are engineered with the assumption that the soft armor is part of the backing. It is nominally there to meet the BFD requirements (44mm in Roma Plastalina), but also to catch any backface spallation. Generally, rounds that are overmatch tend to fragment pretty heavily when impacting ceramic strike faces, so the soft armor has a reasonable chance of catching it. As a general rule, I advocate wearing soft armor behind all hard armor, regardless of ICW or standalone.
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UHMWPE are never going to be the thinnest plates. They will always be thickest for equivalent protection.
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+1. Typically UHMWPE plate can stop high velocity threats (m193), but will fall short when you mix steel into the round (m855), at least from my testing..
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From my tests, the mechanism of action for stopping the round is frictive braking, and because M193 is compressible, it is able to be stopped. M855, because the tip/core is steel, and non-compressible, is able to penetrate.
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hey all. i have 10x12 plates and have DR's spall guards and backers. i have a carrier that i like, forget which one now, but the 10x12 pockets are just a bit too snug to accept the plates w/ the spall guards. i have another carrier that will take 11x14 plates, but it doesn't have any way to 'secure' the plates up in the pocket, so they sit at the bottom and they are too low.
what i'm looking for, is advice on a carrier that will fit well on a smaller guy (5'9", 155 lbs) and will accept 11x14 plates (with a strap to secure the plates in a good position). thanks! |
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i will look around again and check out the other you mentioned in the email. thanks again. |
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The SKD PIG plate carrier is also a rig that I highly recommend (excellent plate retention, separate plate/backer compartments). In addition, I will be acquiring and reviewing the Appalachian Training plate carrier this winter, and it may prove to be another viable option.
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Hi All,
New to body armor. I don't have too much to spend but I figure it would be good to have something. Can I get some advice on what type of armor to use? Mainly for HD. I most likely will not be running courses or do to much training with this gear on. I like this because I can have armor, handgun, and spare mags available just by slipping on this carrier. I am not sure what type of armor to get since there are so many options available ranging from level, weight, shape, and cuts. Is going lightweight with the shooters cuts worth the extra $ if I will not be using this very often? https://www.ar500armor.com/promotion...r-loadout.html Last edited by khiemp; 11-25-2017 at 4:48 PM.. |
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Thank you d-r and buffman for your knowledgeable insight. Been racking my brain on this thread topic. With so many mfg. (LBT, PIG, BEEZ, etc.) Sorry I'm still learning I don't know them all.
Is there kind of a hierarchy of what's the best in quality? I like the idea of hardplate with a soft armor backing. |
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So, if you had to recommend a LVL III or IV armor with carrier, that was the lightest and with unlimited budget, what would it be? Nice videos btw |
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They sure do charge a LOT of money for their plates, considering only one of their Level III Esapi's is NIJ 06 certified. The rest are only tested in compliance with NIJ 04. They are very lightweight, but not sure what makes them worth the $$$
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I know d-r recommends midwest armor. From my own research those appear to be the top of the line accessible to civilians. I'm looking into picking up a set of their FM4 plates for my Plateminus V2 carrier.
I have a set of Spartan armor in my regular Plateminus, but contemplating some of the FM3 plates for it instead. Waiting to see if midwest has any sales coming up. I also need to pick up some of d-r's plate backers and spall guards though. Any thoughts on the midwest armor, buff? Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk |
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Ar500 has their new Testudo Gen 2 carrier on sale for $175 with level 3 steel plates. For an additional $99 you can upgrade that to level 4 ceramic.
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If you're going to get these new lightweight plates I'd go with a different vendor that has the ones that will stop M855.
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Are there some good reputable vendors selling plates you’d recommend, JDay?
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https://www.ar500armor.com/promotions-sales.html Sent from my LG-H910 using Tapatalk
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https://cqbsouth.com/product/m12-ser...s-nij-iv-plus/
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