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Old 02-11-2020, 9:22 PM
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We are being dragged down by the very human emotion of ENVY. Envy is a human source of energy which can be harnessed by certain types of leaders to gain power. Communism, socialism, Democrats, all thrive on the power of human envy. Basically i't tapping the view that someone's glass is always half empty.

By voting, they commit indirect violence against us. And we do the same to them.
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The attack on the Second Amendment is just a symptom of the problems. At some point we have to realize that there are Americans who hate America...hate it with such intensity that they want to destroy it. If you watched the Oscars last night you saw many of those Americans. If you watched the Democratic debates you also see Americans who hate America. At some point we have to realize that these Americans who hate America are our mortal enemies. We mean nothing to them, they will crush us if we get in the way of their assault on our country. They are as great a threat to us as any nation we have gone to war with. We survived those earlier threats because we were willing to go to war...to save America. And now, as we watch these new enemies of America, we must begin to prepare ourselves for going to war again. Citizens of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union never had the courage to rise up and throw out the fascist socialists who took over their countries. And history measures that sad truth in the tens of millions who died as a result. Those of us who love America cannot be afraid to go to war with those who hate America, because our very lives depend on our willingness to stand up and fight for our country.
they will crush us? yeah, I don't know about that.
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Thump, thump, thump!

LMFAO! I think you and I are on the same boat with this one.
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It all comes down to this...The politicians and unionized government employees are a top to bottom crime gang.
WTF!!! I'm a crime gang member??? No way, really?

And I thought I was one of the good guys. You know... veteran of the 82nd ABN, now an ER nurse at a VA hospital, member of FPC and NRA, avid donor to both organizations. But ****, I'm a gang member now. Ain't that some ****!
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WTF!!! I'm a crime gang member??? No way, really?



And I thought I was one of the good guys. You know... veteran of the 82nd ABN, now an ER nurse at a VA hospital, member of FPC and NRA, avid donor to both organizations. But ****, I'm a gang member now. Ain't that some ****!
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Old 02-12-2020, 7:51 AM
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We are being dragged down by the very human emotion of ENVY. Envy is a human source of energy which can be harnessed by certain types of leaders to gain power. Communism, socialism, Democrats, all thrive on the power of human envy. Basically i't tapping the view that someone's glass is always half empty.

By voting, they commit indirect violence against us. And we do the same to them.
The Bible says "Thou shalt not covet". Socialists are thieves. They want things they didn't earn.

They are actually worse than thieves. At least a thief has the courage to steal. Socialists are such cowards, they want others to steal for them.
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:26 AM
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Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.


Probably the best answer on CG.... ever.

Amen RC!!!
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Old 02-13-2020, 6:39 AM
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The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. The United States was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion.
I would beg to differ and ask that you understand the personal beliefs of the founding Fathers of this Godly nation - https://www.conservapedia.com/Foundi...at_mention_God
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Old 02-13-2020, 9:57 AM
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I would beg to differ and ask that you understand the personal beliefs of the founding Fathers of this Godly nation - https://www.conservapedia.com/Foundi...at_mention_God
The belief that our country’s roots are explicitly Christian is foolish as it diminishes the genius of the founding fathers. If they intended to include Jesus, the Bible, or other particular aspects of the Christian faith in the founding of our nation, they would have expressly done so. The founding fathers’ purposes were clear, they had no intention to found the country according to Christian doctrines.

In fact, only one of the 56 founding fathers was a member of the clergy. Many of the founding fathers such as Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe practiced Deism which is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems. If the founders were dogmatic about anything, it was the belief that a person’s faith should not be intruded upon by government and that religious doctrine should not be written into governance.

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It really comes down to greed and power. Politicians want to keep control over us and that's what it really comes down to basically.
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The belief that our country’s roots are explicitly Christian is foolish as it diminishes the genius of the founding fathers. If they intended to include Jesus, the Bible, or other particular aspects of the Christian faith in the founding of our nation, they would have expressly done so. The founding fathers’ purposes were clear, they had no intention to found the country according to Christian doctrines.

In fact, only one of the 56 founding fathers was a member of the clergy. Many of the founding fathers such as Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe practiced Deism which is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems. If the founders were dogmatic about anything, it was the belief that a person’s faith should not be intruded upon by government and that religious doctrine should not be written into governance.
Did you even click the link?
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Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.

AMEN!
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Old 02-13-2020, 1:07 PM
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Did you even click the link?
The link to a website that describes itself to be a conservative and Christian fundamentalist alternative to Wikipedia? Yes, yes I did. Definitely a valid and unbiased source of information.
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Facts are never biased.

All the founders signed the Declaration of Independence. They ascribed their name to a document acknowledging a creator.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
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Facts are never biased.

All the founders signed the Declaration of Independence. They ascribed their name to a document acknowledging a creator.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Exactly, they specifically used "their Creator" and not "Jesus Christ".
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[QUOTE=franklinarmory;23885396]Facts are never biased.

Correct, facts are never biased but, peoples interpretations of facts can be very biased.
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Believing in a Creator with a capital C is not a "belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems."
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The attack on the Second Amendment is just a symptom of the problems. At some point we have to realize that there are Americans PEOPLE RESIDING HERE who hate America...
FIFY




They take up space on our soil... but I wouldn't call them, "Americans."
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Believing in a Creator with a capital C is not a "belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems."
cre·a·tor
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noun: creator; plural noun: creators
A person or thing that brings something into existence.

The widespread pattern (at least in Evangelical circles) to capitalize nouns and pronouns that refer to God does not automatically dictate that the founding fathers use of Creator refers to God. The use of a capital C can also be used to encourage the reader to see creation as a work of art, say the Creation of life due to the Big Bang Theory.
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cre·a·tor
/krēˈādər/
noun: creator; plural noun: creators
A person or thing that brings something into existence.

The widespread pattern (at least in Evangelical circles) to capitalize nouns and pronouns that refer to God does not automatically dictate that the founding fathers use of Creator refers to God. The use of a capital C can also be used to encourage the reader to see creation as a work of art, say the Creation of life due to the Big Bang Theory.
That seems like quite the stretch of logic to me. If that is what you believe, then cool.
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Seems to me that anytime in human history that you mix religion with politics (look at the Middle East today folks) you get war. Is that where we are headed and if so then start stashing ammo and your favorite weapons where the state governments can't find them. Only the second time in the history we might be shooting at each other if the liberals and leftists in the democratic party have their way. Oh, and Bloomberg to but does he belong to a party or have they all kicked him out?
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No democracy or republic has ever lasted more than 200 years. We are the first but it looks shaky.
Rome lasted longer than 200 years from the ejection of kings to the start of the empire. I don’t remember the exact time, but it was on the order of 400 years kind of range. Like 450 bc to 50 bc, roughly.

It’s eastern thinking that says dynasties last 200 years. Western reality is more like 500 (rome republic, rome empire, byzantine empire, etc. 500 year time scales)

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The attack on the Second Amendment is just a symptom of the problems. At some point we have to realize that there are Americans who hate America..
It's a symptom of real problems which aren't Americans hating America.

The average Fortune 100 company achieves a 200X return on lobbying, and the best manage 1000X.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...taxpayer-cash/

Industry groups like Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America do incredibly well. Paying for Energy and Commerce Committee chairman Representative Billy Tauzin's 1500 acre ranch by purchasing "hunting club memberships" then giving him a seven figure job as PhRMA President and CEO got Medicare Part D passed which is now a $100B/year subsidy.

They're the group which spent $150M on advertising to pass the Affordable Care Act after Tauzin negotiated out the drug reimport provision with Congress and secured a promise from President Obama to veto any law permitting the government to negotiate drug prices.

Anyone reaching the general election as a legitimate contender is bought and paid for by special interests, and once elected will increase our cost of living on their behalf.

Unable to do anything useful, politicians need something to distract voters from this by pushing their emotional buttons.

Democrats with an urban base that doesn't own guns demonize black rifles preferred by street gangs firing 50 caliber bullets, emptying 30 caliber magazine clips in 30 seconds, and weighing as much as 10 boxes you might be moving. They tell people the 1% getting rich are making them poor.

Republicans with a rural base seeing jobs disappear demonize brown people sneaking across the Mexican border to steal their jobs, rape women, and murder people. They tell people the 47% paying no income tax are freeloading off them.

The mass media push the same buttons to put peoples' eyeballs in front of paying advertisers.

Democratic and Republican voters are both politicians' victims.

Both parties are laughing at us fighting each other over guns, illegal immigration, the 1%, and the 47% while they work to increase the price of essentials like housing, medical care, and education making us worse off with each passing year.

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Exactly, they specifically used "their Creator" and not "Jesus Christ".
Helping you out, and bolstering Franklin Armory's point:

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Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other
https://founders.archives.gov/docume.../99-02-02-3102

Seems to me that one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and one of the leaders of the free exchange of ideas that founded our country would know whether or not the country was founded based on religious principles.

The Founding Father's specifically avoided specific references to "Jesus Christ" with the First Amendment in mind,

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
American settlers were largely religious and largely Christian, and many of them fled religious persecution in Europe. The Founding Fathers understood that not everyone practiced the same religion in the same way, and did not bind the country to one religion so as to respect that understanding. Most folks believed in some type of "God," but it may not have been the same one.

Your logic is not infallible, multiple things can be true at the same time.
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